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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 9, 2021 14:16:43 GMT
If only we’d have had the transfer policy of signing quality for the last 5 years |
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Post by borges on Aug 9, 2021 14:28:49 GMT
If he signs, I think this lad will definitely be played as one of the back 3, with the aim being him, Wilmot and Souttar as the CBs in the majority of games. I don't think Wilmot will be moved into midfield to accommodate Danny Batth or Morgan Fox, nor would he be preferred to Allen, Clucas, Thompson or a potential loanee DM there anyway. He's looked good creating overloads bringing the ball out of defence and playing passes from deep - why stifle that by having him sit in midfield and play short? You can rule out Chester being little more than a bit-part player this season, Batth is best suited to playing as the central CB in a 3 or in a back 4, and Fox missed a big chunk of last season with injuries (I also think we'll see more of him at LB or LWB considering there's only Doughty and Tymon to play those roles at the moment). It frees up the U23s to go out loan, gives Souttar and Wilmot more games to develop, and means we still have experienced cover across the CBs. What if Souttar is for sale? there is enough Premeirship teams keeping tabs on him. Then it's the same situation as Saturday, but with Ostigard either replacing Batth or Fox at CB. That would still leave us with two from Batth, Chester and Fox as cover, and perhaps one of the U23s kept at the club rather than being loaned out, given Chester and Fox's injury records. I don't think Souttar will be sold before/during this season anyway - he turns 23 in October, so he's only going to attract a bid if a team thinks he's capable of pushing for a first team spot. Based on the evidence of last season, I don't see him as being ready for the step up yet. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 9, 2021 14:32:50 GMT
Do we think MON sees Fox as a viable option at LWB? Fine as LB, but if he's going to get a sizeable chunk of minutes as WB, with CB minutes squeezed out, that's a concern Doesn't look like we'll see a back 4 too often I think he does. Tymon has always been underwhelming and he started over Doughty, so I’m guessing Fox will be first choice LWB when fit. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 14:35:12 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 14:36:56 GMT
Do we think MON sees Fox as a viable option at LWB? Fine as LB, but if he's going to get a sizeable chunk of minutes as WB, with CB minutes squeezed out, that's a concern Doesn't look like we'll see a back 4 too often I think he does. Tymon has always been underwhelming and he started over Doughty, so I’m guessing Fox will be first choice LWB when fit. Yeah - it's possible, although I'd hope (and expect) Doughty to get the nod once he's fully up-and-running. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to see Fox as a wing-back, but if he's not getting minutes on the left of a 3, he'll have to get them somewhere or be a complete spare part (assuming we are actually going to be wedded to a back 3/5 for the medium-term at least) Fox and Tymon would worry me as the 2 very different alternatives to Doughty (who himself isn't exactly proven there) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:38:48 GMT
the pic looks like they are doing some kind of highland barn dance. We don't need players switching off like that. |
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Post by mowlee on Aug 9, 2021 14:43:36 GMT
souttar was on the bench at the wkend so 2 would need too get dropped for both ostigard an souttar too play.. god knows what we’re going too do if smith gets injured.. ince at right wing back
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Post by damagedswan on Aug 9, 2021 14:44:40 GMT
Fox was really poor when he played wing-back early on last season. Really not good at all. He doesn't have the mobility or passing to play there.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 9, 2021 14:46:11 GMT
Do we need another CB? In my opinion yes.
I remember this conversation when we signed Wimmer, before we knew how bad he was going to be.
If we are going to play 3 CBs for > 48 matches, then, allowing for injuries, suspensions, illness, "pinging", tiredness, and the fact that all of them will not be able to play left and right sides, we need 6 CBs.
Having bought Wimmer, we didn't use him for very long, and Shawcross had fitness issues so we were right to buy an extra CB, we only found he was no good in hindsight.
Today we again have age and fitness issues with some of our CBs. I said when MON bought them, they were stop gap signings, costing little, till we could truly strengthen.
If playing without FBs, the CBs have to have ball skills. If we play with a high line, which we usually do, we need some speed in the back line as well. I like Batth's commitment and attitude, he is a good defender, particularly heading, but I doubt he is good enough for a promotion side.
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 9, 2021 14:52:36 GMT
souttar was on the bench at the wkend so 2 would need too get dropped for both ostigard an souttar too play.. god knows what we’re going too do if smith gets injured.. ince at right wing back "Dropped" is a word that really does not pertain in modern day football. Stoke will nurture a squad of first team players that work as a group to attain the set goal. Whe we play Fleetwood MON will select a team that he believes can win but I would never think any of the players will think they have been "dropped"! |
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Post by cod on Aug 9, 2021 14:54:46 GMT
If Smith gets injured I suspect he'll play Doughty there. That's an area where we're definitely short of cover though.
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Post by windows1 on Aug 9, 2021 14:58:45 GMT
If Smith gets injured I suspect he'll play Doughty there. That's an area where we're definitely short of cover though. i dont think Jordan Thompson would be to bad there. played right wing before, really good runner, ball ability and crossing is really good. not sure on his defensive capabilities but for cover he could be an option. |
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Post by hollywood on Aug 9, 2021 15:01:20 GMT
I think he does. Tymon has always been underwhelming and he started over Doughty, so I’m guessing Fox will be first choice LWB when fit. Yeah - it's possible, although I'd hope (and expect) Doughty to get the nod once he's fully up-and-running. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to see Fox as a wing-back, but if he's not getting minutes on the left of a 3, he'll have to get them somewhere or be a complete spare part (assuming we are actually going to be wedded to a back 3/5 for the medium-term at least) Fox and Tymon would worry me as the 2 very different alternatives to Doughty (who himself isn't exactly proven there) How many domestic loans are we allowed FM? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 9, 2021 15:05:37 GMT
I think he does. Tymon has always been underwhelming and he started over Doughty, so I’m guessing Fox will be first choice LWB when fit. Yeah - it's possible, although I'd hope (and expect) Doughty to get the nod once he's fully up-and-running. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to see Fox as a wing-back, but if he's not getting minutes on the left of a 3, he'll have to get them somewhere or be a complete spare part (assuming we are actually going to be wedded to a back 3/5 for the medium-term at least) Fox and Tymon would worry me as the 2 very different alternatives to Doughty (who himself isn't exactly proven there) Like you I'm sure Doughty will get the nod over Tymon once Doughty is fully fit. I'm sure that, after such a long lay off, MON doesn't want to rush him back too soon and risk another soft tissue injury. Soft tissue injuries happen far too often to players after long injury lay offs and MON is right to be cautious. Given that Doughty also has experience at full back it would not be too surprising if he was also preferred to FOX as a more attacking left back if we play with a back 4. At attacking full back or wing back, Doughty, if he hasn't lost his pace, should cope with either position |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 15:15:17 GMT
Yeah - it's possible, although I'd hope (and expect) Doughty to get the nod once he's fully up-and-running. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to see Fox as a wing-back, but if he's not getting minutes on the left of a 3, he'll have to get them somewhere or be a complete spare part (assuming we are actually going to be wedded to a back 3/5 for the medium-term at least) Fox and Tymon would worry me as the 2 very different alternatives to Doughty (who himself isn't exactly proven there) How many domestic loans are we allowed FM? Just seems to be a max of 5 named in a matchday squad www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/A maximum of 5 Players registered on a Temporary Loan Transfer can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League. (and no more than 4 from the same club) |
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Post by hollywood on Aug 9, 2021 15:18:21 GMT
How many domestic loans are we allowed FM? Just seems to be a max of 5 named in a matchday squad www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/A maximum of 5 Players registered on a Temporary Loan Transfer can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League. (and no more than 4 from the same club) Cheers. Not really an issue then. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 9, 2021 15:55:54 GMT
souttar was on the bench at the wkend so 2 would need too get dropped for both ostigard an souttar too play.. god knows what we’re going too do if smith gets injured.. ince at right wing back I think Wilmot is currently the backup plan for rb/rwb. If not him, Brown. |
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 9, 2021 16:23:26 GMT
the pic looks like they are doing some kind of highland barn dance. We don't need players switching off like that. More like throwing down a gang sign before they fuck some unwitting forward up. Respect! |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 9, 2021 16:24:28 GMT
Souttar been sold?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:26:45 GMT
the pic looks like they are doing some kind of highland barn dance. We don't need players switching off like that. More like throwing down a gang sign before they fuck some unwitting forward up. Respect! some of those gangs out there in the Bahamas must be a bit light on their feet , Dave  I take it they have stick on gang tattoos. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2021 16:28:48 GMT
He seems to like the 3 at the back crap.
Batth cannot be trusted in it.
Chester is a liability.
And Fox isn’t a CB.
So it makes sense if he’s persisting with it which I think he will.
And a back 3 of this guy, Souttar and Wilmot is very good.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 16:34:44 GMT
He seems to like the 3 at the back crap. Batth cannot be trusted in it. Chester is a liability. And Fox isn’t a CB. So it makes sense if he’s persisting with it which I think he will. And a back 3 of this guy, Souttar and Wilmot is very good. Can't argue with Souttar, Wilmot and Ostigard looking the 3 strongest players - and it's hard to see any of that group being rotated a great deal given where they are in their career and why they've joined. But it would be pretty noteworthy if he went with a 22yo and two 21yos in the back 3 - playing in front of a 21yo keeper (and another 21yo at LWB) Obviously they won't play every game regardless with injury and suspension - but all 3 of Batth, Chester and Fox regularly being on the bench or in the stands seems unlikely, and that pool of players does look top heavy by one - in terms of keeping people happy and in touching distance of a game? |
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Post by datguy on Aug 9, 2021 16:36:45 GMT
He seems to like the 3 at the back crap. Batth cannot be trusted in it. Chester is a liability. And Fox isn’t a CB. So it makes sense if he’s persisting with it which I think he will. And a back 3 of this guy, Souttar and Wilmot is very good. No idea about the Brighton fella but I’d hazard a guess there’s not a better back 3 in the division. Get a RWB in and the whole back 5 is looking very solid. Doughty will be one of the best wing backs in the division when’s he’s fit. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2021 16:45:22 GMT
He seems to like the 3 at the back crap. Batth cannot be trusted in it. Chester is a liability. And Fox isn’t a CB. So it makes sense if he’s persisting with it which I think he will. And a back 3 of this guy, Souttar and Wilmot is very good. Can't argue with Souttar, Wilmot and Ostigard looking the 3 strongest players - and it's hard to see any of that group being rotated a great deal given where they are in their career and why they've joined. But it would be pretty noteworthy if he went with a 22yo and two 21yos in the back 3 - playing in front of a 21yo keeper (and another 21yo at LWB) Obviously they won't play every game regardless with injury and suspension - but all 3 of Batth, Chester and Fox regularly being on the bench or in the stands seems unlikely, and that pool of players does look top heavy by one - in terms of keeping people happy and in touching distance of a game? Unless we sell Souttar he’d have to surely? They’re the best players for the job by a mile. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 16:52:02 GMT
Can't argue with Souttar, Wilmot and Ostigard looking the 3 strongest players - and it's hard to see any of that group being rotated a great deal given where they are in their career and why they've joined. But it would be pretty noteworthy if he went with a 22yo and two 21yos in the back 3 - playing in front of a 21yo keeper (and another 21yo at LWB) Obviously they won't play every game regardless with injury and suspension - but all 3 of Batth, Chester and Fox regularly being on the bench or in the stands seems unlikely, and that pool of players does look top heavy by one - in terms of keeping people happy and in touching distance of a game? Unless we sell Souttar he’d have to surely? They’re the best players for the job by a mile. From the outside, it looks that way and when you go through all 3, it's hard to see them not playing pretty much all the time. But it is hard to see MON going full-Bayern and not wanting some experience back there - it's something he's always mentioned. Interesting to see how it plays out! |
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2021 16:55:35 GMT
Unless we sell Souttar he’d have to surely? They’re the best players for the job by a mile. From the outside, it looks that way and when you go through all 3, it's hard to see them not playing pretty much all the time. But it is hard to see MON going full-Bayern and not wanting some experience back there - it's something he's always mentioned. Interesting to see how it plays out! Souttar isn't inexperienced any more, in fact all three are reasonably battle hardened |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 9, 2021 16:56:59 GMT
I’ve never heard of him or seen him play, why is everyone assuming he’s any better than what we have? Genuine question
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2021 16:58:14 GMT
From the outside, it looks that way and when you go through all 3, it's hard to see them not playing pretty much all the time. But it is hard to see MON going full-Bayern and not wanting some experience back there - it's something he's always mentioned. Interesting to see how it plays out! Souttar isn't inexperienced any more, in fact all three are reasonably battle hardened More game time than most people their age, definitely But still probably the youngest defence in the country? And if we get a young RB on loan, Souttar would potentially be the oldest in the back 6? |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 9, 2021 17:02:01 GMT
I’ve never heard of him or seen him play, why is everyone assuming he’s any better than what we have? Genuine question Superb against us last season. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 9, 2021 17:04:29 GMT
I’ve never heard of him or seen him play, why is everyone assuming he’s any better than what we have? Genuine question Superb against us last season. Was he? That’s good news. I can’t actually recall either Coventry game🤦🏻♂️ |
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I take it they have stick on gang tattoos. 
