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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:20:57 GMT
Hope you had fun tonight, I wish I was this excited when Luxembourg beat Ireland we have a poor side atm , but hopefully we will get better WE are Stoke, what are you doing here?
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Post by moon on Jul 11, 2021 22:21:02 GMT
Why can't the fuckers on TV say, Southgate fucked up! Ludicrous decisions. Croatia again . Early lead then no idea Great tournament. Best team in the tournament by a margin beat 2nd best team and deservedly so let's be honest. Nothing to get lairy etc about. The way it was. Great effort by England but Italy just deserved winners Italy deserved it for sure, we didn’t play anywhere near our potential and I think that’s mainly down to the tactics of the manager. Such a shame, but well done England and Southgate for getting there in the first place.
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Post by superjw on Jul 11, 2021 22:22:51 GMT
Southgate badly mishandled this one but that doesn’t negate his achievements in getting us here. Rashford should spend more time on football and less on pretending to be a politician. Whilst I agree on rashfords penalty technique, the decision to bring both of them on right at the very end was shocking. Southgate set them up for failure
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 11, 2021 22:23:09 GMT
Hope you had fun tonight, I wish I was this excited when Luxembourg beat Ireland we have a poor side atm , but hopefully we will get better (meh)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:23:44 GMT
Ludicrous decisions. Croatia again . Early lead then no idea Great tournament. Best team in the tournament by a margin beat 2nd best team and deservedly so let's be honest. Nothing to get lairy etc about. The way it was. Great effort by England but Italy just deserved winners Italy deserved it for sure, we didn’t play anywhere near our potential and I think that’s mainly down to the tactics of the manager. Such a shame, but well done England and Southgate for getting there in the first place. Scored too early same as Croatia then no idea what to do
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Post by yyy on Jul 11, 2021 22:23:44 GMT
Got to feel for Southgate, never wanted him as aengland manager but he's been through the international penno mill as player and manager.
Although England lost we are a much better outfit than years gone by
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 11, 2021 22:23:54 GMT
Thing is Vince he’s taken the credit for the tactical master class against Germany ( which it was), but he has tactically f***** it up tonight. Mount was a passenger and we have 105 minutes of him- he brings on two players to take penalties who have had no chance to get into the game and bringing on Saka as the first sub ( never mind asking the poor guy to take the 5th penalty)- Saka looked like a rabbit in headlights the whole game ( mind you he was marginally better than Henderson ) Spot on, as long as it doesn't turn abusive, Southgate should absolutely carry the can. Never reacted to that first sub, which changed the course of the game completely. Mount on too long as you say and the absolute key brain fart was bringing on two lads who have hardly kicked a ball for a month or so for penalties. They might never recover mentally from that. Mancini has just absolutely schooled him tonight and he had absolutely no answer. You could tell the Italians were apprehensive every time Grealish had the ball,Sterling was poor but at least seemed to come into the game more when the introduction of Saka bought him a little more time/space? When Chiesa went off any real Italian ingenuity or threat through the middle went with him,so we didn't have to continue to be quite so circumspect....
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 11, 2021 22:24:22 GMT
That was totally down to Southgate he bottled it and to send two 19 year old kids on to take penalties was unforgivable. Bottler! To be fair to Southgate, that's down to the players not him. If other players don't want to take 1, no manager is going to force them in that situation. If there's 1 manager who knows how pen shootouts work it's Southgate You have to question senior plahyers like Sterling though
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 11, 2021 22:24:37 GMT
Weird that our best performance was in Italy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 11, 2021 22:24:44 GMT
To be fair, he's got every single major call right in this tournament right up until that shootout. What can you say? Three bad penalties. Too much pressure on a teenager who has had a poor tournament. Good sportsmanship from Italy at the end. The key thing is to recognise this tournament as a big step forward with a promising young team and not to go into full English tabloid scapegoating mode. Southgate has done extraordinary things with the national team. I hate when the casual supporters go from adulating the players as heroes to claiming that they're all wank. Too much pressure on a teenager? Saka shouldn't have even needed to take the fifth pen. I said the moment that Rashford and Sancho came on, that Southgate was piling an incredible amount of pressure on both players ... They knew that the ONLY reason they had been brought on, was for them to take a penalty, penalties are difficult enough even when you've been playing in the game itself but to put two of his players under that insane pressure was a very, very poor judgement call from Southgate.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 11, 2021 22:25:02 GMT
First half we were okay. Second half was Italy. We just about edged extra time. The penalties are irrelevant.
Its the best tournament result by any England team and manager for 55 years. Better players and bigger managers failed us much more in that period. Move on, regroup, no recriminations from me. Italy were the best team in the tournament and again tonight.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 11, 2021 22:25:11 GMT
Both Italian centre halfs were on yellows. Why the fuck didnt we get after them more in extra time. Get Sancho and Rashford on immediately. A great tournament but we could have beaten them.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 11, 2021 22:25:14 GMT
To think we’ve got players like Sterling, Sancho, Grealish and Saka in the squad but couldn’t even muster a meaningful counter attack in the second half if pretty abysmal.
Think Southgate is getting off lightly, we were woeful after a very good first 20 mins or so.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jul 11, 2021 22:26:18 GMT
We lost that game off the pitch, not on it.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 11, 2021 22:26:45 GMT
50 years supporting Stoke and read alot of posts on here about what a lot was said of other teams You're supporting an English team. As I say, learn some class or go and watch Celtic. No one asked you to support Stoke Well done Italy btw support team , not country big difference ,cop on
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 11, 2021 22:27:22 GMT
Probably repeating what a lot have already said but bring on Rashford and Sancho so they at least get a kick of the football before they take a peno.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:27:24 GMT
You're supporting an English team. As I say, learn some class or go and watch Celtic. No one asked you to support Stoke Well done Italy btw support team , not country big difference ,cop on An English team
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Post by neddy on Jul 11, 2021 22:27:36 GMT
That was totally down to Southgate he bottled it and to send two 19 year old kids on to take penalties was unforgivable. Bottler! To be fair to Southgate, that's down to the players not him. If other players don't want to take 1, no manager is going to force them in that situation. If there's 1 manager who knows how pen shootouts work it's Southgate You have to question senior plahyers like Sterling though Sorry don’t agree he bottle it by not going for it earlier in extra time and the game for me and the pens was the final straw! Hey ho opinions but that mine.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jul 11, 2021 22:27:39 GMT
Where are players like Sterling/Grealish et al when it comes to pens? Why are we leaving it to defenders and younger players still?? Fucking gutted Agreed. Grealish id club captain and super confident and Raheem can also take good penos. Italy best penno taker was their no 5 and we had a 19yr old kid. throughout the match we and the ref let Italy play the way they wanted, i.e lots of flair and being dirty cnuts off the ball. That Cheillinin foul and that Jorginio foul was utterly shameless.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2021 22:27:50 GMT
Hope you had fun tonight, I wish I was this excited when Luxembourg beat Ireland we have a poor side atm , but hopefully we will get better Well you did beat Andorra.
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 11, 2021 22:28:03 GMT
Too negative and he loves Mount ,not sure why . Too busy worrying about Italy and not playing to win but we've played like that in the earlier games .
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Post by liathroid on Jul 11, 2021 22:28:32 GMT
To be fair, he's got every single major call right in this tournament right up until that shootout. What can you say? Three bad penalties. Too much pressure on a teenager who has had a poor tournament. Good sportsmanship from Italy at the end. The key thing is to recognise this tournament as a big step forward with a promising young team and not to go into full English tabloid scapegoating mode. Southgate has done extraordinary things with the national team. I hate when the casual supporters go from adulating the players as heroes to claiming that they're all wank. Too much pressure on a teenager? Saka shouldn't have even needed to take the fifth pen. I said the moment that Rashford and Sancho came on, that Southgate was piling an incredible amount of pressure on both players ... They knew that the ONLY reason they had been brought on, was for them to take a penalty, penalties are difficult enough even when you've been playing in the game itself but to put two of his players under that insane pressure was a very, very poor judgement call from Southgate. Man Utd done the same in the Europa League final
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Post by s7oke on Jul 11, 2021 22:28:47 GMT
Southgate jibbed it with his team selection
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2021 22:29:07 GMT
You're supporting an English team. As I say, learn some class or go and watch Celtic. No one asked you to support Stoke Well done Italy btw support team , not country big difference ,cop on But why pick a wank English one? Learn some class or expect some shit when August comes. Plastic. Stoke have fuck all to do with Ireland.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 11, 2021 22:29:37 GMT
we have a poor side atm , but hopefully we will get better Well you did beat Andorra. its a start
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2021 22:30:14 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top. Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉
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Post by liathroid on Jul 11, 2021 22:31:12 GMT
support team , not country big difference ,cop on But why pick a wank English one? fifty fucking years ago , how long are supporting Stoke
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Post by harlequin on Jul 11, 2021 22:31:42 GMT
I don't mind the subs taking penalties, could have come off.
Don't understand Saka as 5th penalty taker.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 11, 2021 22:31:54 GMT
To be fair, he's got every single major call right in this tournament right up until that shootout. What can you say? Three bad penalties. Too much pressure on a teenager who has had a poor tournament. Good sportsmanship from Italy at the end. The key thing is to recognise this tournament as a big step forward with a promising young team and not to go into full English tabloid scapegoating mode. Southgate has done extraordinary things with the national team. I hate when the casual supporters go from adulating the players as heroes to claiming that they're all wank. Too much pressure on a teenager? Saka shouldn't have even needed to take the fifth pen. I said the moment that Rashford and Sancho came on, that Southgate was piling an incredible amount of pressure on both players ... They knew that the ONLY reason they had been brought on, was for them to take a penalty, penalties are difficult enough even when you've been playing in the game itself but to put two of his players under that insane pressure was a very, very poor judgement call from Southgate. Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so long to bring on attacking subs). Penalty shootouts are down to volunteers/how you feel on the night. We had a distinct lack of senior pros willing to put themselves out there.
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 11, 2021 22:31:54 GMT
Stevie G for the World Cup please. Grealish should've come on after 70 minutes Cowards don't win trophies. Best team won Cant see us doing that well in Qatar- it'll be way too hot for the England team - quarter finals at best Ain't qualified yet.
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