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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:32:11 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top.Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉 Carbon copy of Croatia Was there to be won.....again
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2021 22:32:58 GMT
But why pick a wank English one? fifty fucking years ago , how long are supporting Stoke Who cares, I'm from Stoke. Stoke has fuck all to do with Ireland. Weirdo
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Post by liathroid on Jul 11, 2021 22:34:09 GMT
fifty fucking years ago , how long are supporting Stoke Who cares, I'm from Stoke. Stoke has fuck all to do with Ireland. Weirdo
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 11, 2021 22:34:18 GMT
Them medals look like under 12s Sunday league I'd bite your hand off for one. Won fuck all playing my school team and adult teams.
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Post by independent on Jul 11, 2021 22:34:46 GMT
34% possession. Their keeper didn't make a save. Choice of penalty takers was terrible. Where were Sterling, Shaw and to a lesser degree Stokes. Asking 3 kids to win it for you was disgraceful, especially as none of them started the game. Where were the senior players? Henderson would have taken one if he was on.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 11, 2021 22:35:16 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top.Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉 Carbon copy of Croatia Was there to be won.....again Disagreed with you many times, very vocally recently, but 100% agree. In fact said exactly the same thing to my mate and on here at half time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2021 22:35:39 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top.Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉 Carbon copy of Croatia Was there to be won.....again Mancini kept his team fresh, saw what he needed to do and did it. Good manager made the difference I think. But take nothing away from England for the tournament as a whole, they’ve done well, experience was a big factor tonight.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 11, 2021 22:35:49 GMT
Some of the best paid players in the world , but when it comes to pens it was like watching a fan been picked out of the crowd to take one
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Post by thehoof on Jul 11, 2021 22:36:45 GMT
Too much pressure on a teenager? Saka shouldn't have even needed to take the fifth pen. I said the moment that Rashford and Sancho came on, that Southgate was piling an incredible amount of pressure on both players ... They knew that the ONLY reason they had been brought on, was for them to take a penalty, penalties are difficult enough even when you've been playing in the game itself but to put two of his players under that insane pressure was a very, very poor judgement call from Southgate. Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so long to bring on attacking subs). Penalty shootouts are down to volunteers/how you feel on the night. We had a distinct lack of senior pros willing to put themselves out there. Well Southgate’s just said that he decided on who was taking the penalties.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 11, 2021 22:38:01 GMT
However they have given the country a massive lift.
For all the wrongs of the final we have had the whole tournament to enjoy participation.
We should be proud of the achievement
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 11, 2021 22:38:30 GMT
Too much pressure on a teenager? Saka shouldn't have even needed to take the fifth pen. I said the moment that Rashford and Sancho came on, that Southgate was piling an incredible amount of pressure on both players ... They knew that the ONLY reason they had been brought on, was for them to take a penalty, penalties are difficult enough even when you've been playing in the game itself but to put two of his players under that insane pressure was a very, very poor judgement call from Southgate. Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so lomg to bring on attacking subs). Missed the point Millsy ... It's not about who TOOK the penalties but the ridiculous pressure the manager put on them by bringing them on to ONLY take a penalty. I bet if you asked them privately over the next few days, they would both say they would have felt less pressure if they'd played at least some part in the match. It was the manager's call for them not to be brought on earlier.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2021 22:38:39 GMT
45 years on this planet, I just want one of my teams to win a trophy before I go.
And cricket and tennis don't count
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Post by salopstick on Jul 11, 2021 22:39:02 GMT
Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so long to bring on attacking subs). Penalty shootouts are down to volunteers/how you feel on the night. We had a distinct lack of senior pros willing to put themselves out there. Well Southgate’s just said that he decided on who was taking the penalties. He will always protect the players and take the blame. Probably his job and moral compass.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2021 22:39:27 GMT
45 years on this planet, I just want one of my teams to win a trophy before I go. And cricket and tennis don't count Which tennis club do you support?😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:39:31 GMT
But why pick a wank English one? fifty fucking years ago , how long are supporting Stoke Well done, cunt
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Post by independent on Jul 11, 2021 22:40:45 GMT
Italy's danger man was off injured. Surely he would have taken a penalty. Pity that we hadn't got more Harrys in the team as the two Harrys were our only scorers.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 11, 2021 22:41:24 GMT
Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so long to bring on attacking subs). Penalty shootouts are down to volunteers/how you feel on the night. We had a distinct lack of senior pros willing to put themselves out there. Well Southgate’s just said that he decided on who was taking the penalties. Just tried to be too clever as Keane has said quoting Tyson everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face It was mote about character and bottle than training ground technique and for all the stuff about how nice this team is some of the so called big players Bottled taking penalty 5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:41:53 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top. Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉 Backed himself into a corner with his starting formation, and had nowhere to go with his subs until they scored. After that, they had firmly established themselves as the better team.
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Post by independent on Jul 11, 2021 22:43:09 GMT
Boys asked to take the crucial penalties, Where were the REAL MEN?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:43:46 GMT
But why pick a wank English one? fifty fucking years ago , how long are supporting Stoke Probably long enough to know "how long are supporting Stoke" doesn't make any fucking sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:44:11 GMT
Carbon copy of Croatia Was there to be won.....again Disagreed with you many times, very vocally recently, but 100% agree. In fact said exactly the same thing to my mate and on here at half time. I said the worst thing that could happen was score early No prob with folk disagreeing. What is all about but am always right Seriously was on the cards 30 mins in. Italy scoring first would for me have been England's best chance.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 11, 2021 22:44:54 GMT
Judgment call by Southate or the players though? We all know in shootouts it's down to which players want to take one. Where were players like Sterling/Grealish etc? Pickford had saved 2, all we needed was a guaranteed netbagger to basically win it. I'm sorry but having to use centre backs and teenagers for pens is down to the players, not Southgate. Which manager is going to force any player like Sterling to wait for 6th or 7th pen if they volunteer?? None. The players bottled it for me (in the pens, not the overall match where i agree with everyone, we shouldn't have ever sat back like we did and waited so lomg to bring on attacking subs). Missed the point Millsy ... It's not about who TOOK the penalties but the ridiculous pressure the manager put on them by bringing them on to ONLY take a penalty. I bet if you asked them privately over the next few days, they would both say they would have felt less pressure if they'd played at least some part in the match. It was the manager's call for them not to be brought on earlier. Yeah, fair enough totally see that, but i don't think it's missing the point, merely fleshing it out to it's rightful full context rather than placing all the blame on Southgate. Where are the media/fan's favourites/older pro's/actual goalscorers stepping up? I'm sorry, but for the likes of Sterling and Grealish (even Henderson) to leave it to centre backs and teenagers is fucking poor and that's on them, not the manager! As i said, one guranteed goal after Pickford's 2nd save basically wins us the Euros.
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Post by erogenous on Jul 11, 2021 22:45:15 GMT
If anything the penalties were over practiced.. Smart arse pogba rubbish coming on cold.
Was just wierd
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 22:45:35 GMT
It was enjoyable whilst it lasted and brought the country together for some much needed excitement. For me, Southgate didn’t use his substitutions early enough and didn’t change the tactics when it was clear the Italians were on top. Best team on the night won but well done for getting to the final and giving the fans something to cheer. It’ll come home next year😉 Agree, Italy were really struggling, they made subs, we left it too late. Kane and sterling were awful, we should have made changes, we should have been more aggressive, it was in our grasp but we handed them the initiative
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 11, 2021 22:46:41 GMT
Pickford should have blasted a pen and psyched out the Italian GK.
Instead we had Rashfords first kick of the game prancing around on his run up like my granddaughter at the Christmas school play.
I despair.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2021 22:47:23 GMT
Missed the point Millsy ... It's not about who TOOK the penalties but the ridiculous pressure the manager put on them by bringing them on to ONLY take a penalty. I bet if you asked them privately over the next few days, they would both say they would have felt less pressure if they'd played at least some part in the match. It was the manager's call for them not to be brought on earlier. Yeah, fair enough totally see that, but i don't think it's missing the point, merely fleshing it out to it's rightful full context rather than placing all the blame on Southgate. Where are the media/fan's favourites/older pro's/actual goalscorers stepping up? I'm sorry, but for the likes of Sterling and Grealish (even Henderson) to leave it to centre backs and teenagers is fuking poor! Rashford and Sancho are two of the best attackers in world football. My issue is Sancho should have been on for Saka after the first 15 mins of extra time. And then letting Saka take one. He looked like a rabbit in the headlights all game. So many chances to avoid the situation.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 11, 2021 22:47:33 GMT
Still think it was a red on grealish but doesn’t matter now
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Post by generationex on Jul 11, 2021 22:47:39 GMT
Southgate blew it. If he intended to bring subs in for pens he should have done it at the start of extra time rather than lump the pressure on them.
He should have responded to Italian domination by bringing on attacking players.
He’s a great administrator but not a great manager. His best point is he seems to be a lucky general. It ran out tonight.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 11, 2021 22:47:42 GMT
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Post by mcw on Jul 11, 2021 22:48:17 GMT
Missed the point Millsy ... It's not about who TOOK the penalties but the ridiculous pressure the manager put on them by bringing them on to ONLY take a penalty. I bet if you asked them privately over the next few days, they would both say they would have felt less pressure if they'd played at least some part in the match. It was the manager's call for them not to be brought on earlier. Yeah, fair enough totally see that, but i don't think it's missing the point, merely fleshing it out to it's rightful full context rather than placing all the blame on Southgate. Where are the media/fan's favourites/older pro's/actual goalscorers stepping up? I'm sorry, but for the likes of Sterling and Grealish (even Henderson) to leave it to centre backs and teenagers is fucking poor and that's on them, not the manager! As i said, one guranteed goal after Pickford's 2nd save basically wins us the Euros. Bit harsh of Henderson, he was below par when he was on but subbed off before the penalties…..
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