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Post by klingon on Nov 1, 2021 11:07:08 GMT
Was he ever called Poundschopp?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 1, 2021 12:34:46 GMT
True and many seem reluctant or unable to put a name to him. I guess Schopp sounds a bit like Klopp..... might make him a bit more employable I suppose!  Its not about foreign its what’s their recruitment record like and have they got into the play offs or been promoted the championship its basic recruitment profiling not whose a good bloke or todays fancy , two outstanding candidates out of work now would be wilder and Nuno but both in their i own way would want to be very clear on direction for some reason we have wasted squillions on players bit never gi one for the very best management option and thats the only thing that will keep a real difference |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 1, 2021 12:58:53 GMT
I guess Schopp sounds a bit like Klopp..... might make him a bit more employable I suppose! Its not about foreign its what’s their recruitment record like and have they got into the play offs or been promoted the championship its basic recruitment profiling not whose a good bloke or todays fancy , two outstanding candidates out of work now would be wilder and Nuno but both in their i own way would want to be very clear on direction for some reason we have wasted squillions on players bit never gi one for the very best management option and thats the only thing that will keep a real difference There is no way Nuno would come to Stoke. He'll get a higher level job even if its not in this country. I would argue that on paper Rowett, Jones and MON are decent appointments (and I still think MON is very decent). Easy to say after the event. If it wasn't for the Stoke disaster Jones would be extremely popular choice for many aspiring clubs right now, but we all know the story there. A story that only unfolded when that kind of pressure was on. No-one could foresee that (though some smart arse Mystic Megs may beg to differ) Wilder completely lost the dressing room at SUFC, and created a very fractious atmosphere when they needed to work together, they imploded, so there are no guarantees there or anywhere. He also spunked a very substantial budget on terrible signings (sound familiar?) The way Blades think of him is probably similar to how we think of Hughes now. There are plenty of managers who have got promotions (decent CVs) that no-one in their right mind would employ right now. It's a gamble each way you turn. But folk are always very clever after the event. |
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 1, 2021 13:32:10 GMT
We missed a trick not getting Graham Potter!
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Post by potterburt on Nov 1, 2021 13:57:04 GMT
We missed a trick not getting Graham Potter! Oh really did we? You mean so he would come to us for less than 12 months and steer us to 10th in the Championship before jumping ship at the first call from the premier league? 🤔 |
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Post by theoptimist on Nov 1, 2021 13:59:39 GMT
We missed a trick not getting Graham Potter! Oh really did we? You mean so he would come to us for less than 12 months and steer us to 10th in the Championship before jumping ship at the first call from the premier league? 🤔 Oh to have a manager that other teams actually want! Been a while since we've had one good enough for another club to take an interest. |
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Post by potterburt on Nov 1, 2021 14:04:34 GMT
Oh really did we? You mean so he would come to us for less than 12 months and steer us to 10th in the Championship before jumping ship at the first call from the premier league? 🤔 Oh to have a manager that other teams actually want! Been a while since we've had one good enough for another club to take an interest. Yeah which in reality happens very very rarely… every club in English football could say the same bar a handful, with Swansea being one. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 1, 2021 22:49:29 GMT
Looks like Dean Smith the next to go. Villa lining up a new manager.
Doesn't take much to be ousted these days.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2021 22:54:06 GMT
Looks like Dean Smith the next to go. Villa lining up a new manager. Doesn't take much to be ousted these days. Spent big and they bought well and if the signings are board/technical director led then he’s toast. He always seemed on borrowed time anyway? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 1, 2021 23:15:05 GMT
4 managers gone today at Spurs,Barnsley,Scunthorpe and Hartlepool
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 1, 2021 23:40:18 GMT
4 managers gone today at Spurs,Barnsley,Scunthorpe and Hartlepool Jesus. The whole big 4 get rid in one day. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 2, 2021 6:45:03 GMT
Looks like Dean Smith the next to go. Villa lining up a new manager. Doesn't take much to be ousted these days. If he does I would have him here in a heartbeat. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 2, 2021 7:39:14 GMT
4 managers gone today at Spurs,Barnsley,Scunthorpe and Hartlepool Hartlepool walked off for the coin though |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2021 9:00:27 GMT
Why do people get so attached to managers?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 2, 2021 9:04:14 GMT
Why do people get so attached to managers? I think it depends on the structure you've got at your club. A lot of clubs are sensibly moving away from the 'manager as god' model which helps to minimise the upheaval when one leaves. Otherwise you're basically starting from scratch again with a squad that might be ill-suited to how the next bloke wants to do things and beholden to their whims. I thought we were finally moving away from that and putting a lot of the structures in place that meant we weren't as manager-driven. It sounds a lot like it's O'Neill himself who's driven a lot of those changes though, which suggests the top brass themselves have learned nothing from the last 3-4 years. |
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Post by a on Nov 2, 2021 9:12:26 GMT
Why do people get so attached to managers? I think it depends on the structure you've got at your club. A lot of clubs are sensibly moving away from the 'manager as god' model which helps to minimise the upheaval when one leaves. Otherwise you're basically starting from scratch again with a squad that might be ill-suited to how the next bloke wants to do things and beholden to their whims. I thought we were finally moving away from that and putting a lot of the structures in place that meant we weren't as manager-driven. It sounds a lot like it's O'Neill himself who's driven a lot of those changes though, which suggests the top brass themselves have learned nothing from the last 3-4 years. Apart from Watford, where that ‘success’ seems limited, where else has chopping and changing worked? It’s dome because the current incumbent isn’t doing the job well enough. Surely a manager should be given time to sort his squad, tactics and ethos. Look at Arsenal. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2021 9:25:49 GMT
Why do people get so attached to managers? I think it depends on the structure you've got at your club. A lot of clubs are sensibly moving away from the 'manager as god' model which helps to minimise the upheaval when one leaves. Otherwise you're basically starting from scratch again with a squad that might be ill-suited to how the next bloke wants to do things and beholden to their whims. I thought we were finally moving away from that and putting a lot of the structures in place that meant we weren't as manager-driven. It sounds a lot like it's O'Neill himself who's driven a lot of those changes though, which suggests the top brass themselves have learned nothing from the last 3-4 years. It is very worrying. They shouldn't be appointments made by him but as you say they seemingly have been. And fair play to him for spotting it was needed but it really shouldn't be a bottom up approach. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2021 9:27:06 GMT
I think it depends on the structure you've got at your club. A lot of clubs are sensibly moving away from the 'manager as god' model which helps to minimise the upheaval when one leaves. Otherwise you're basically starting from scratch again with a squad that might be ill-suited to how the next bloke wants to do things and beholden to their whims. I thought we were finally moving away from that and putting a lot of the structures in place that meant we weren't as manager-driven. It sounds a lot like it's O'Neill himself who's driven a lot of those changes though, which suggests the top brass themselves have learned nothing from the last 3-4 years. Apart from Watford, where that ‘success’ seems limited, where else has chopping and changing worked? It’s dome because the current incumbent isn’t doing the job well enough. Surely a manager should be given time to sort his squad, tactics and ethos. Look at Arsenal. The current European Champions for one. The squad and the way they are to be used imo should be set by a technical director. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 2, 2021 9:30:53 GMT
I think it depends on the structure you've got at your club. A lot of clubs are sensibly moving away from the 'manager as god' model which helps to minimise the upheaval when one leaves. Otherwise you're basically starting from scratch again with a squad that might be ill-suited to how the next bloke wants to do things and beholden to their whims. I thought we were finally moving away from that and putting a lot of the structures in place that meant we weren't as manager-driven. It sounds a lot like it's O'Neill himself who's driven a lot of those changes though, which suggests the top brass themselves have learned nothing from the last 3-4 years. Apart from Watford, where that ‘success’ seems limited, where else has chopping and changing worked? It’s dome because the current incumbent isn’t doing the job well enough. Surely a manager should be given time to sort his squad, tactics and ethos. Look at Arsenal. I'm still not sure Arsenal have cracked it to be honest. How much time do you give a manager? They have to demonstrate they're worth persevering with, surely? I think MON has done that fwiw, but sticking with OGS hasn't done Man U much good. Sometimes you need a change. I'm not advocating chopping and changing so much as putting the structures and ethos in place that mean the direction of your club isn't dictated by the manager. Southampton and Brentford seem to have generally done that pretty well over the years. So do Wolves to a degree. Norwich have done both in keeping the faith in Farke and having the structures that mean they're not reliant on him, though again that success is limited to getting them to the Prem without much spend but hasn't extended to keeping them there or making them competitive once they're there. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 3, 2021 13:12:00 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 3, 2021 13:27:45 GMT
Blimey…. Not exactly a sexy name. |
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Post by theoptimist on Nov 3, 2021 13:43:52 GMT
Richest club in the world and you end up with Eddie Howe??
Him and Bourenemouth were a good match. He doesnt appear to travel well based on his brief trip to Burnley.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 13:45:43 GMT
Eddie Howay!
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Post by eddyclamp on Nov 3, 2021 13:45:46 GMT
Now I really do hope Newcastle go down
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 3, 2021 13:59:31 GMT
Can’t see those self entitled geordies dancing in the streets to that appointment! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 3, 2021 14:05:24 GMT
Every headline tomorrow......" Howe-ay the lads" |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 3, 2021 14:07:51 GMT
Howe got homesick at Burnley, never mind Newcastle Upon Tyne. Be great if they went down.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 3, 2021 14:14:52 GMT
Howe got homesick at Burnley, never mind Newcastle Upon Tyne. Be great if they went down. Agreed on them getting relegated but having them down with us next season may prove troublesome in us mounting another promotion campaign, which is proving troublesome for us as it is! Unless we manage to pass them as we go up this season of course but the former looking more likely than the latter as things stand! |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 3, 2021 18:01:39 GMT
Looks like Dean Smith the next to go. Villa lining up a new manager. Doesn't take much to be ousted these days. If he does I would have him here in a heartbeat. Started the ball rolling at Brentford didn't he? Was he there before Warburton? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 3, 2021 18:17:36 GMT
We missed a trick not getting Graham Potter! Oh really did we? You mean so he would come to us for less than 12 months and steer us to 10th in the Championship before jumping ship at the first call from the premier league? 🤔 Rumour was he would have come to Stoke when we sacked Hughes when it was very possible to have saved us. I even suggested him to people who sit round us to get shouted down with comments like, "He's only done it in Norway, no way could he manage in the Premier." Instead we went with 'a safe pair of hands' Lambert. Then when he got sacked my understanding was that Potter made it clear to the board that he wanted the job to get overlooked for Rowett so he went to Swansea to prove how wrong we'd been. He's an ex Stokie and I'm sure he'd be still here now and we'd be in the Premier if we'd taken the risk. |
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