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Post by theonlooker on May 5, 2021 12:45:57 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 5, 2021 12:51:49 GMT
I remember thinking at the time we will miss out on him and then a couple of years later he will be challenging for the top 4 with West Ham. I just remember thinking at the time ffs not him, he’s another right boring bastard.
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Post by PotterLog on May 5, 2021 12:53:19 GMT
He'd have come here and underperformed while playing turgid shite football just like all the others
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Post by FullerMagic on May 5, 2021 12:54:59 GMT
I genuinely can't think of any. If there was any nerves at HQ over MON, the one thing that'll ensure he gets another few months is the complete dearth of experienced possible replacements who'd take it. It's pretty obvious Tony Pulis is about as likely as Tony Blair!
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Post by kerouac on May 5, 2021 12:59:07 GMT
I thought it didn’t matter who came in with this shower of shite at their disposal?
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Post by spitthedog on May 5, 2021 13:00:41 GMT
I remember thinking at the time we will miss out on him and then a couple of years later he will be challenging for the top 4 with West Ham. I just remember thinking at the time ffs not him, he’s another right boring bastard. well done for being one of the few to admit it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2021 13:05:04 GMT
I thought it didn’t matter who came in with this shower of shite at their disposal? The difference being that he'd have had slightly less shit at his disposal at that point in the timeline, might have kept us up and probably spent the £50m warchest prudently rather than like a man playing the world's dullest, dumbest game of Football Manager.
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Post by kustokie on May 5, 2021 14:30:49 GMT
The problems go way beyond the manager. There’s something fundamentally wrong with how the club is run. The owners appear out of touch and the CEO is incapable of working his way out the mess he is responsible for creating. A fish rots from the head. Not even Pep or Klopp could have sorted this out. Firing the manager now will send a clear message that Stoke is a club to stay away from. I find it impossible to believe it’s a coincidence that Pulis, Hughes, Rowett, Jones and now O’Neil all started out well and then lost their way. There are clearly bigger issues that need to be addressed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2021 14:40:13 GMT
The problems go way beyond the manager. There’s something fundamentally wrong with how the club is run. The owners appear out of touch and the CEO is incapable of working his way out the mess he is responsible for creating. A fish rots from the head. Not even Pep or Klopp could have sorted this out. Firing the manager now will send a clear message that Stoke is a club to stay away from. I find it impossible to believe it’s a coincidence that Pulis, Hughes, Rowett, Jones and now O’Neil all started out well and then lost their way. There are clearly bigger issues that need to be addressed. In what way did Rowett and Jones start well?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on May 5, 2021 14:57:15 GMT
I mean, let's not pretend like Moyes would have been a popular appointment among the fans.
Until this season, he'd had many poor years since leaving Everton including almost getting relegated last year with a very good squad.
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Post by thevoid on May 5, 2021 15:03:37 GMT
We were in with a shout with Brendan Rodgers too I believe
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Post by J-Roar on May 5, 2021 15:11:04 GMT
Well, it's got a T N Y P and L in
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Post by heworksardtho on May 5, 2021 15:19:15 GMT
Bring him home
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Post by heworksardtho on May 5, 2021 15:21:40 GMT
The problems go way beyond the manager. There’s something fundamentally wrong with how the club is run. The owners appear out of touch and the CEO is incapable of working his way out the mess he is responsible for creating. A fish rots from the head. Not even Pep or Klopp could have sorted this out. Firing the manager now will send a clear message that Stoke is a club to stay away from. I find it impossible to believe it’s a coincidence that Pulis, Hughes, Rowett, Jones and now O’Neil all started out well and then lost their way. There are clearly bigger issues that need to be addressed. In what way did Rowett and Jones start well? Owd Rowett had a brand new house built once he got the Stoke job , me mate bought a leather settee off him as he was having all new stuff for his pad
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Post by J-Roar on May 5, 2021 15:32:57 GMT
If we want to carry on the model of buying players with no resale value there is no finer candidate.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 5, 2021 16:00:17 GMT
If we want to carry on the model of buying players with no resale value there is no finer candidate. Really
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Post by leicspotter on May 5, 2021 18:00:02 GMT
I can understand changing the manager if you have a strong squad that is clearly under performing, a new man would have a half decent chance of sorting it out
Our circumstances, currently, are somewhat different. We have a poor squad with very few players that have / could perform to a decent level and a very long list of players that we are trying to shift. Some of these are decent, but either won't play for us or are too expensive to keep e.g Etebo, Badou
A number of things have to change before ANY manager will be in a position to take this club forward.
Clearly sorting the squad out is paramount, but so too is addressing the failings of those higher up the chain, so as to ensure we take the RIGHT actions in future.
Squad issues will almost certainly be impacted by finances and FFP, but restructuring the Board, the recruitment process etc is less about money and more about the will / wit of the Owners
Working on a tight budget, and using the loan system, seems to be our only option for at least one more season unless FFP rules are amended. After that the true re-building work can begin...hopefully with a competent structure in place
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Post by yyy on May 5, 2021 18:11:57 GMT
If we want to carry on the model of buying players with no resale value there is no finer candidate. Assuming we are on about TP, at least we got our money worth out of the players. I bet we have not made a teams worth of good signings since he left
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Post by milky on May 5, 2021 18:55:05 GMT
The problems we have run far deeper than the manager.
Obviously we haven't helped ourselves employing two numpties ( 3 If I'm being harsh ) prior to MON but since latter day Hughes we have been desperate for someone there with some football nous /clout as a buffer between manager and board ,someone who knows football and isn't afraid to challenge or say no.A technical director, whatever you want to call them.
Imagine these 2 scenarios.
" No Mark you absolutely are not signing Kevin Wimmer, now piss off and look for 2 wing backs and a defensive midfielder"
Or
" Errrrr Gary mate ,you have played 433 all your career and yet you want to spunk just shy of £20 million on Benik Afobe and James McLean. Off you fuck ".
Sounds simplistic I realise but having that structure in place could have saved us a lot of heartache I reckon.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 5, 2021 20:08:46 GMT
We were crying out for the likes of Moyes as DoF directly responsible to the family (Scholes no input at all) prior to, on the sacking of Hughes.
Complete failure, mis-management by the family
Thats not hindsight
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Post by swampySCFC on May 5, 2021 20:25:54 GMT
Pulis is the man. Get him fucking back. Knows the club, owners supporters and apart from the odd exception no hangers on
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Post by kustokie on May 5, 2021 22:58:49 GMT
The problems we have run far deeper than the manager. Obviously we haven't helped ourselves employing two numpties ( 3 If I'm being harsh ) prior to MON but since latter day Hughes we have been desperate for someone there with some football nous /clout as a buffer between manager and board ,someone who knows football and isn't afraid to challenge or say no.A technical director, whatever you want to call them. Imagine these 2 scenarios. " No Mark you absolutely are not signing Kevin Wimmer, now piss off and look for 2 wing backs and a defensive midfielder" Or " Errrrr Gary mate ,you have played 433 all your career and yet you want to spunk just shy of £20 million on Benik Afobe and James McLean. Off you fuck ". Sounds simplistic I realise but having that structure in place could have saved us a lot of heartache I reckon. The teams now managed by those two numpties have done much better in the second half of the season, especially Luton who are unbeaten in the last five whilst Stoke haven’t won in five.Both will finish above stoke. Therefore the manager is not the problem and the board need to look elsewhere, starting in the mirror, otherwise we’ll be in League One in 2022/3.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 5, 2021 23:36:38 GMT
If we want to carry on the model of buying players with no resale value there is no finer candidate. Really If you bring Fuller, Shawcross, Lawrence, Ethers , Pennant, Kenwynne, Huth......etc do you need a resale value??
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 5, 2021 23:44:16 GMT
The problems we have run far deeper than the manager. Obviously we haven't helped ourselves employing two numpties ( 3 If I'm being harsh ) prior to MON but since latter day Hughes we have been desperate for someone there with some football nous /clout as a buffer between manager and board ,someone who knows football and isn't afraid to challenge or say no.A technical director, whatever you want to call them. Imagine these 2 scenarios. " No Mark you absolutely are not signing Kevin Wimmer, now piss off and look for 2 wing backs and a defensive midfielder" Or " Errrrr Gary mate ,you have played 433 all your career and yet you want to spunk just shy of £20 million on Benik Afobe and James McLean. Off you fuck ". Sounds simplistic I realise but having that structure in place could have saved us a lot of heartache I reckon. The teams now managed by those two numpties have done much better in the second half of the season, especially Luton who are unbeaten in the last five whilst Stoke haven’t won in five.Both will finish above stoke. Therefore the manager is not the problem and the board need to look elsewhere, starting in the mirror, otherwise we’ll be in League One in 2022/3. That only makes sense if you think Rowett and Jones didn't everything they could while they were here and did nothing wrong, as well all know they did plenty wrong. There are other problems within the club but the manager is proving to be one as well.
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Post by dirtclod on May 6, 2021 3:48:37 GMT
I believe the manager is part of the problem too, no doubt. But... Lots of expensive baggage on board that we cannot divest ourselves of. FFP breathing down our necks. Our squad has several "slow of foot, slow of mind" members. We can't cross or throw the ball in to one of our own. This even ruins the "We Only Score From a Throw In" thing altogether.
We have an idiot who thinks that a manager-search involves going "down the pub." I'd be more scared about what they might bring in next and prop up as a "manager." I can just hear them saying "Look! Here's your new manager! He's from Hull, so he's foreign!"
Given our history of recruiting over the past few years, I'm absolutely terrified at what players they could bring in next. Would LOVE to be proven wrong, but sign me up for the "Our Problems Go Way Deeper Than the Manager" Club as well. They ARE problems that can be solved - guess we'll see.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2021 6:34:27 GMT
The problems we have run far deeper than the manager. Obviously we haven't helped ourselves employing two numpties ( 3 If I'm being harsh ) prior to MON but since latter day Hughes we have been desperate for someone there with some football nous /clout as a buffer between manager and board ,someone who knows football and isn't afraid to challenge or say no.A technical director, whatever you want to call them. Imagine these 2 scenarios. " No Mark you absolutely are not signing Kevin Wimmer, now piss off and look for 2 wing backs and a defensive midfielder" Or " Errrrr Gary mate ,you have played 433 all your career and yet you want to spunk just shy of £20 million on Benik Afobe and James McLean. Off you fuck ". Sounds simplistic I realise but having that structure in place could have saved us a lot of heartache I reckon. The teams now managed by those two numpties have done much better in the second half of the season, especially Luton who are unbeaten in the last five whilst Stoke haven’t won in five.Both will finish above stoke. Therefore the manager is not the problem and the board need to look elsewhere, starting in the mirror, otherwise we’ll be in League One in 2022/3. This is such dodgy logic.
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Post by milky on May 6, 2021 7:35:20 GMT
The problems we have run far deeper than the manager. Obviously we haven't helped ourselves employing two numpties ( 3 If I'm being harsh ) prior to MON but since latter day Hughes we have been desperate for someone there with some football nous /clout as a buffer between manager and board ,someone who knows football and isn't afraid to challenge or say no.A technical director, whatever you want to call them. Imagine these 2 scenarios. " No Mark you absolutely are not signing Kevin Wimmer, now piss off and look for 2 wing backs and a defensive midfielder" Or " Errrrr Gary mate ,you have played 433 all your career and yet you want to spunk just shy of £20 million on Benik Afobe and James McLean. Off you fuck ". Sounds simplistic I realise but having that structure in place could have saved us a lot of heartache I reckon. The teams now managed by those two numpties have done much better in the second half of the season, especially Luton who are unbeaten in the last five whilst Stoke haven’t won in five.Both will finish above stoke. Therefore the manager is not the problem and the board need to look elsewhere, starting in the mirror, otherwise we’ll be in League One in 2022/3. They both did plenty wrong ,more so Rowett who could well have set us back 10/20/30/who knows how many years during his short spell with his mad and catastrophic 50m trolley dash. Jones was an interesting appointment and something left field ( for us ) but typically we got the wrong man. Ultimately with a good ,strong and knowledgeable sporting director type person in place a lot of this could have been avoided.
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Post by zerps on May 6, 2021 7:43:26 GMT
With things like this I find it’s always better for ones mental health to look ahead rather than thinking back, otherwise it can make you very angry indeed. Good advice in any situation
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 6, 2021 7:59:16 GMT
The teams now managed by those two numpties have done much better in the second half of the season, especially Luton who are unbeaten in the last five whilst Stoke haven’t won in five.Both will finish above stoke. Therefore the manager is not the problem and the board need to look elsewhere, starting in the mirror, otherwise we’ll be in League One in 2022/3. They both did plenty wrong ,more so Rowett who could well have set us back 10/20/30/who knows how many years during his short spell with his mad and catastrophic 50m trolley dash. Jones was an interesting appointment and something left field ( for us ) but typically we got the wrong man. Ultimately with a good ,strong and knowledgeable sporting director type person in place a lot of this could have been avoided. Last sentence 👍
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 6, 2021 8:19:37 GMT
They both did plenty wrong ,more so Rowett who could well have set us back 10/20/30/who knows how many years during his short spell with his mad and catastrophic 50m trolley dash. Jones was an interesting appointment and something left field ( for us ) but typically we got the wrong man. Ultimately with a good ,strong and knowledgeable sporting director type person in place a lot of this could have been avoided. Last sentence 👍 All three sentences seem spot on to me.
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