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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2021 20:20:09 GMT
Nixon trotting out the Clucas can go for nothing line again
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May 31, 2021 21:03:44 GMT
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Post by nonameface on May 31, 2021 21:03:44 GMT
Nixon trotting out the Clucas can go for nothing line again why by the end of June?
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May 31, 2021 21:22:06 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 31, 2021 21:22:06 GMT
Nixon trotting out the Clucas can go for nothing line again why by the end of June? Something to do with accounting, it was explained a few pages back but I've forgotten the details tbh
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May 31, 2021 21:34:01 GMT
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Post by nonameface on May 31, 2021 21:34:01 GMT
Something to do with accounting, it was explained a few pages back but I've forgotten the details tbh yeah i didn't really get it. Either way the value comes off the books, just doing it in June means it's earlier, which i'd have thought the club would be against.
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Post by bgreen13 on May 31, 2021 22:19:04 GMT
He was good the season before last but if its true he's on 40k a week, had an injury plagued season and not getting any younger, it makes sense to get rid.
He'll surely have to take a massive pay cut too.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 22:24:31 GMT
Imagine if he cups his ear against us, the breaking of nails amongst some
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Post by Gods on May 31, 2021 22:44:25 GMT
I must admit I thought Clucas was one of our better players.
If he goes on a 'free' then that's another 6 million quid pissed up the wall.
Bish-Bosh I've spent all me dosh !
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Jun 1, 2021 6:24:02 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 1, 2021 6:24:02 GMT
I must admit I thought Clucas was one of our better players. If he goes on a 'free' then that's another 6 million quid pissed up the wall. Bish-Bosh I've spent all me dosh ! Wannabe cockney
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Post by crowey on Jun 2, 2021 12:03:59 GMT
.... Sam & Joe Allen will be gone before next season
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 12:05:51 GMT
I must admit I thought Clucas was one of our better players. If he goes on a 'free' then that's another 6 million quid pissed up the wall. Bish-Bosh I've spent all me dosh ! would rather we keep Clucas
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Jun 2, 2021 12:33:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 12:33:30 GMT
Imagine if he cups his ear against us, the breaking of nails amongst some He showed himself up there a bit. A classless cocktail of 'Big Time Charlie' & 'What's All The Fuss About?'
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Jun 2, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
He was good the season before last but if its true he's on 40k a week, had an injury plagued season and not getting any younger, it makes sense to get rid. He'll surely have to take a massive pay cut too. If it is true that Clucas is on 40k a week, it's not difficult to understand why we are in such a mess behind the scenes.
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Jun 2, 2021 12:48:48 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 2, 2021 12:48:48 GMT
If we can get some money for him, get him gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:02:52 GMT
Imagine if he cups his ear against us, the breaking of nails amongst some He showed himself up there a bit. A classless cocktail of 'Big Time Charlie' & 'What's All The Fuss About?' Don't think he showed himself up. Just reacted to some pretty nasty abuse by a few in the same way that anyone would or should. After giving out, how offended were they by it ? Spoke volumes about them for me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:03:15 GMT
He showed himself up there a bit. A classless cocktail of 'Big Time Charlie' & 'What's All The Fuss About?' Don't think he showed himself up. Just reacted to some pretty nasty abuse by a few in the same way that anyone would or should. After giving out, how offended were they by it ? Spoke volumes about them for me The problem with that kind of "giving back" is that you shove it to people who would never dream of booing players but would support players no matter what, and we do have a large number of those.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:07:31 GMT
Don't think he showed himself up. Just reacted to some pretty nasty abuse by a few in the same way that anyone would or should. After giving out, how offended were they by it ? Spoke volumes about them for me The problem with that kind of "giving back" is that you shove it to people who would never dream of booing players but would support players no matter what, and we do have a large number of those. I don't see it as a problem as why on earth would you get upset about it? Plainly obvious what he was doing. Don't boo players myself as am not 6. Neither do I get all upset and reach for the Kleenex when a player cups an ear. Seems some can't
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 2, 2021 16:14:55 GMT
Something to do with accounting, it was explained a few pages back but I've forgotten the details tbh yeah i didn't really get it. Either way the value comes off the books, just doing it in June means it's earlier, which i'd have thought the club would be against. Don't nearly all contracts expire at the end of June? Maybe something is triggered into the next phase?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:15:53 GMT
The problem with that kind of "giving back" is that you shove it to people who would never dream of booing players but would support players no matter what, and we do have a large number of those. I don't see it as a problem as why on earth would you get upset about it? Plainly obvious what he was doing. Don't boo players myself as am not 6. Neither do I get all upset and reach for the Kleenex when a player cups an ear. Seems some can't It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare.
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Jun 2, 2021 16:36:39 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 2, 2021 16:36:39 GMT
I don't see it as a problem as why on earth would you get upset about it? Plainly obvious what he was doing. Don't boo players myself as am not 6. Neither do I get all upset and reach for the Kleenex when a player cups an ear. Seems some can't It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. That’s fucking hurtful
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:39:46 GMT
It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. That’s fucking hurtful No wonder they cup their ears .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 16:52:00 GMT
It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. That’s fucking hurtful To you...
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Post by dudnostokie on Jun 2, 2021 19:51:33 GMT
It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. It's that kind of entitlement that pisses me off. It's akin to these Karens that abuse police staff and throw the "I pay your wages" schtick when they react badly. Entitled children booing players and getting up in arms when they retaliate is indicative of society at the moment. Actions have consequences, if people are getting angry with a cupping of the ears then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and man the fuck up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2021 4:15:15 GMT
It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. It's that kind of entitlement that pisses me off. It's akin to these Karens that abuse police staff and throw the "I pay your wages" schtick when they react badly. Entitled children booing players and getting up in arms when they retaliate is indicative of society at the moment. Actions have consequences, if people are getting angry with a cupping of the ears then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and man the fuck up. And when you took that long hard look at yourself, what happened...?
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Jun 3, 2021 5:24:29 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 3, 2021 5:24:29 GMT
It's extremely rude behaviour, and let's face it, in the complex discussion of whether or not supporters pay part of the players' wages, the likes of Clucas are behaving rudely towards his extended bosses. I have never booed a player and never will as it's counter productive. I might sometimes not have clapped very much when certain players come on or off, but that's also rare. It's that kind of entitlement that pisses me off. It's akin to these Karens that abuse police staff and throw the "I pay your wages" schtick when they react badly. Entitled children booing players and getting up in arms when they retaliate is indicative of society at the moment. Actions have consequences, if people are getting angry with a cupping of the ears then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and man the fuck up. I think it shows a lack of connection personally. I think anyone with an ounce of status understands why fans might be a bit upset. Imagine an interview with Lampard etc even they are uniforming dramatically, the fans have a right to be upset at underperformance. You don't have to stay quiet even your team is literally going down the shitter and the players are losing to the teams with less than a 10th of your wage budget and on occasion 100th of your total budget. I would like to think anyone underperforming would understand why people might be frustrated, angry, upset. What personal abuse are you talking about? I believe booing is a simple collective expression of distain and disappointment, it was at the entire team and club, and justified... Not clucas individually. He should have acknowledged the teams lack of performance and picked himself up, scoring 1 goal in a very very rare win against a team who the youth setup should probably be walking over, that isn't the scenario to be cupping wars is it? Imo it spoke volumes about him character and lack of understanding of the club's, and fans, position and downfall. He should have been busting his gut, and then in interviews publicly acknowledging the position "isn't good enough", rather than cupping wars after scoring against league 2 teams.
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Jun 3, 2021 6:01:51 GMT
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Post by samuel32 on Jun 3, 2021 6:01:51 GMT
In the same transfer window as we signed Clucas, Villa signed McGinn. Same type of player signed for the same amount. One has been not great, one has been great. Just another example of our shite recruitment.
I actually think the recruitment in the championship might have been worse than when we were in the prem because there has been so many more bad decisions .
Mark Cartwright, Gary Rowett , Scholes, just in case you thought we might forget, you’re still a bunch of bells.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 3, 2021 6:04:07 GMT
It's that kind of entitlement that pisses me off. It's akin to these Karens that abuse police staff and throw the "I pay your wages" schtick when they react badly. Entitled children booing players and getting up in arms when they retaliate is indicative of society at the moment. Actions have consequences, if people are getting angry with a cupping of the ears then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and man the fuck up. I think it shows a lack of connection personally. I think anyone with an ounce of status understands why fans might be a bit upset. Imagine an interview with Lampard etc even they are uniforming dramatically, the fans have a right to be upset at underperformance. You don't have to stay quiet even your team is literally going down the shitter and the players are losing to the teams with less than a 10th of your wage budget and on occasion 100th of your total budget. I would like to think anyone underperforming would understand why people might be frustrated, angry, upset. What personal abuse are you talking about? I believe booing is a simple collective expression of distain and disappointment, it was at the entire team and club, and justified... Not clucas individually. He should have acknowledged the teams lack of performance and picked himself up, scoring 1 goal in a very very rare win against a team who the youth setup should probably be walking over, that isn't the scenario to be cupping wars is it? Imo it spoke volumes about him character and lack of understanding of the club's, and fans, position and downfall. He should have been busting his gut, and then in interviews publicly acknowledging the position "isn't good enough", rather than cupping wars after scoring against league 2 teams. Which upsets sensitive supporters the most? Cupping or shushing?
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Jun 3, 2021 6:19:01 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 3, 2021 6:19:01 GMT
Take the emotion out of it and I'm not sure what a footballer gets out of shushing or cupping his ears to his own supporters anyway?
Logically speaking it only kicks the criticism can a bit further down the road until your next run of bad games and just compounds the 'problem', as more will join in next time around.
Nothing good can come from the booing-ear cupping and shushing cycle.
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Jun 3, 2021 6:55:20 GMT
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Post by erogenous on Jun 3, 2021 6:55:20 GMT
I'd much prefer ball cupping like what the rappers and Italian Americans do.
THis would be a happy middle ground of cupping for me.
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Jun 3, 2021 10:22:08 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 3, 2021 10:22:08 GMT
I think it shows a lack of connection personally. I think anyone with an ounce of status understands why fans might be a bit upset. Imagine an interview with Lampard etc even they are uniforming dramatically, the fans have a right to be upset at underperformance. You don't have to stay quiet even your team is literally going down the shitter and the players are losing to the teams with less than a 10th of your wage budget and on occasion 100th of your total budget. I would like to think anyone underperforming would understand why people might be frustrated, angry, upset. What personal abuse are you talking about? I believe booing is a simple collective expression of distain and disappointment, it was at the entire team and club, and justified... Not clucas individually. He should have acknowledged the teams lack of performance and picked himself up, scoring 1 goal in a very very rare win against a team who the youth setup should probably be walking over, that isn't the scenario to be cupping wars is it? Imo it spoke volumes about him character and lack of understanding of the club's, and fans, position and downfall. He should have been busting his gut, and then in interviews publicly acknowledging the position "isn't good enough", rather than cupping wars after scoring against league 2 teams. Which upsets sensitive supporters the most? Cupping or shushing? Both. Being sensitive is actually a very favourable characteristic in the 21st century if you hadn't realised? Also being empathic is too. Basically, supporters can boo and criticise a poor performance, but not make things personal, and alternatively the same applies for a player who should attempt to prove fans wrong. Scoring a single goal against league 2 teams for a team investing hundreds of millions, then trying to put one over on your own fans, shows a distinct lack of character and understanding. I am not suggesting that bullying by fans is in any way acceptable, but the frustrations were justified, we were shit, and at the very least the players themselves should have been striving for much much better, this acknowledging and in fact joining in with the frustration, not trying to counter it or provoke it. Booing the entire team, which is what was occurring, including the manager, was a collective display of disapproval for the situation. A lot of that could have come from Rowett to be honest with his fan hostility, but clearly the club doesnt value its fans for whatever reason (seen in many regards, fan agency, experience, I've started this many times over to be fair). Either way, brown looked like an idiot doing it but to my knowledge he's had it a lot worse and should be professional enough to make secondary accounts on Facebook or Twatter and stay away from self reviews, in a time where we are/were utterly shit. That applies to the clucas situation too. Brainless reaction from an absolutely priveledged position. Both players show a lack of intelligence to be honest. Either way, is he gone yet? I mean, he was a write off last season, as were we. And by signing Mikel and Chester again, we have pretty much set up our aims as 'any progress' for next season. Theres no way O'Niell is fired for mid table (but progress) next season either, we are so far in the shit it doesn't really matter what happens as we aren't going to challenge, invest, just attempt to sustain... In the middle of the championship. Joyous.
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Post by dudnostokie on Jun 3, 2021 11:19:46 GMT
Both. Being sensitive is actually a very favourable characteristic in the 21st century if you hadn't realised? Also being empathic is too. Basically, supporters can boo and criticise a poor performance, but not make things personal, and alternatively the same applies for a player who should attempt to prove fans wrong. Scoring a single goal against league 2 teams for a team investing hundreds of millions, then trying to put one over on your own fans, shows a distinct lack of character and understanding. I am not suggesting that bullying by fans is in any way acceptable, but the frustrations were justified, we were shit, and at the very least the players themselves should have been striving for much much better, this acknowledging and in fact joining in with the frustration, not trying to counter it or provoke it. Booing the entire team, which is what was occurring, including the manager, was a collective display of disapproval for the situation. A lot of that could have come from Rowett to be honest with his fan hostility, but clearly the club doesnt value its fans for whatever reason (seen in many regards, fan agency, experience, I've started this many times over to be fair). Either way, brown looked like an idiot doing it but to my knowledge he's had it a lot worse and should be professional enough to make secondary accounts on Facebook or Twatter and stay away from self reviews, in a time where we are/were utterly shit. That applies to the clucas situation too. Brainless reaction from an absolutely priveledged position. Both players show a lack of intelligence to be honest. Either way, is he gone yet? I mean, he was a write off last season, as were we. And by signing Mikel and Chester again, we have pretty much set up our aims as 'any progress' for next season. Theres no way O'Niell is fired for mid table (but progress) next season either, we are so far in the shit it doesn't really matter what happens as we aren't going to challenge, invest, just attempt to sustain... In the middle of the championship. Joyous. You say that empathy and sensitivity are positive traits to have, but then go on to justify fans booing a player for not playing well. It's so hypocritical. All the lad did was cup his ear. He didn't swear, stick his fingers up, glare, or shush anyone. He literally just cupped his ear while smiling about scoring. Lack of character is booing and abusing our top scorer who single-handedly kept us up that season with his contributions and efforts. And for the love of god, please don't talk about lack of intelligence. That's a flex that is utterly, utterly cringe worthy, and makes you look like a twat.
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