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Post by nonameface on Aug 6, 2021 6:00:34 GMT
Just saw this “Here’s a stat for you: Emi Buendia was actually the only player with more assists per 90 minutes than Tyrese Campbell in the Championship last season. “I think that tells you a story in itself. If Tyrese Campbell stays fit, I think Stoke City could enjoy a big revival under Michael O’Neill this term.” where did you just see this?
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Post by orfyboothen on Aug 6, 2021 6:27:36 GMT
Just saw this “Here’s a stat for you: Emi Buendia was actually the only player with more assists per 90 minutes than Tyrese Campbell in the Championship last season. “I think that tells you a story in itself. If Tyrese Campbell stays fit, I think Stoke City could enjoy a big revival under Michael O’Neill this term.” where did you just see this? I heard on Talksport 2: the surprisingly good EFL show.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 6, 2021 6:47:31 GMT
Even if Ty is back in Nov/Dec, it will take a while before he is fully match day fit, so we we may not see the type of form he was showing last season, untill Jan. And then you have the niggles that inevitably follow a long term injury, resulting in a stop/start introduction to playing regularly. Imagine though having him back fit and firing in the new year,it could make all the difference to us. I get why a lot of fans want him back sooner rather than later but you are right about the niggles and I hope the club ignore the clammer for an early return and give him time to get back to full fitness - I'd rather have him start after Xmas firing on all cylinders, having an impact and making it through the rest of the season than in and out of the team all season never quite there. The permanent signing of Surridge is a big plus as it means we are not carrying a Campbell shaped hole for half the season and takes the pressure off getting him back on the pitch too early. Also pinning our hopes on a Campbell return isn't a good idea from anyone's perspective - especially Campbell who needs to focus on getting fit rather than living up to someone else's expectations. The club needs to plan around him not being available and treat his return as a massive bonus - which I'm pretty sure is what they are doing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 6, 2021 7:00:52 GMT
Had to chuckle when I read Shawcross' assessment of our striker pool after Surridge's arrival, he only mentions three strikers! Couldn't agree more, Ryan!
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 6, 2021 7:50:58 GMT
And then you have the niggles that inevitably follow a long term injury, resulting in a stop/start introduction to playing regularly. Imagine though having him back fit and firing in the new year,it could make all the difference to us. I get why a lot of fans want him back sooner rather than later but you are right about the niggles and I hope the club ignore the clammer for an early return and give him time to get back to full fitness - I'd rather have him start after Xmas firing on all cylinders, having an impact and making it through the rest of the season than in and out of the team all season never quite there. The permanent signing of Surridge is a big plus as it means we are not carrying a Campbell shaped hole for half the season and takes the pressure off getting him back on the pitch too early. Also pinning our hopes on a Campbell return isn't a good idea from anyone's perspective - especially Campbell who needs to focus on getting fit rather than living up to someone else's expectations. The club needs to plan around him not being available and treat his return as a massive bonus - which I'm pretty sure is what they are doing. Spot on!
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Post by torquaypotter on Aug 18, 2021 11:28:35 GMT
Question how we are playing atm. Would Campbell get in the team when he is fully fit asking for a friend lol
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 18, 2021 11:29:33 GMT
He’s our best striker, absolutely he would
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Post by superalexneil on Aug 18, 2021 11:40:32 GMT
Question how we are playing atm. Would Campbell get in the team when he is fully fit asking for a friend lol Ofcourse he would. Next
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Post by walrus on Aug 18, 2021 11:47:29 GMT
He’ll doubtless start from the bench when he comes back but soon work his way up to starting matches.
We will have four forwards going for two places. Fletcher and Surridge are more or less competing with each other for one, and Brown and Campbell for the other.
As improved as Brown is, he’s not going to keep a fit Campbell out of the side. He’ll likely be used mostly from the bench and perhaps start the odd away game, as well as provide RWB cover in case Smith gets injured.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 18, 2021 11:57:35 GMT
Question how we are playing atm. Would Campbell get in the team when he is fully fit asking for a friend lol Not only is he the best and most natural finisher at the club by a country mile, he is also two footed - a skill he developed AFTER MON started to play him. And, in his half season before his injury, he got as many assists as he did goals - that's quite a rare attribute for a striker and for that reason he is likely to be the first striker on the team sheet once he is fully fit again.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 18, 2021 12:01:35 GMT
In a heartbeat.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 18, 2021 12:05:18 GMT
What Campbell has, is the ability to get a shot away with relatively little or no backlift. Catches keepers off guard as they have no time to set themselves.
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Post by apb1 on Aug 18, 2021 12:40:59 GMT
He would totally get in the first team based on the last 30 odd games he played for us. But I also think he'd need to up his work rate off the ball to ensure we continue to push teams back. We play a bit differently now. If Brown is the backup we need someone with similar energy to replace him. I am confident he can do this though.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 18, 2021 12:43:17 GMT
Ty is such an exciting player to watch and create something outta nothing. Hope he comes back better, but whatever happens he’ll be phased back in
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 18, 2021 13:10:43 GMT
He's simply the difference maker for us, get him back fit and he's a 20 goal a season striker in this league, I firmly believe that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:11:35 GMT
Perfect situation really if we can be on good form without him as there'll be no need to rush him back etc.
The Campbell pre-injury would be the best player in this team, and one of the best in the entire league.
Whether he will be that player again ever is one issue, another issue of course is that even if he is able to truly full recover we won't see that player again until reasonably late on in the season and potentially even next season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:16:53 GMT
He's simply the difference maker for us, get him back fit and he's a 20 goal a season striker in this league, I firmly believe that. he hasn't scored 30 goals in his career yet but could certainly hit 20 a season perhaps. He creates a lot as well as scoring goals. Certainly the months before his injury
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Post by apb1 on Aug 18, 2021 13:36:20 GMT
I think he got 14 league goals in the period from Xmas 2019 to his injury, which would be a decent season return. It actually came in a period of 40 games but in 4 of those he was out of the squad or an unused sub. Not much of a a stretch to anticipate 20 goals if alongside decent players. People also neglect his assists he was doing pretty well on that front in early 20-21 games too.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 18, 2021 13:42:14 GMT
Walks into it, different gravy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 13:44:09 GMT
I think he got 14 league goals in the period from Xmas 2019 to his injury, which would be a decent season return. It actually came in a period of 40 games but in 4 of those he was out of the squad or an unused sub. Not much of a a stretch to anticipate 20 goals if alongside decent players. People also neglect his assists he was doing pretty well on that front in early 20-21 games too. Absolutely. How many players get 30 goals in this league? I think only 2 have done it in 20 odd years.
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 18, 2021 13:48:16 GMT
Question how we are playing atm. Would Campbell get in the team when he is fully fit asking for a friend lol The real question is how many goals would he score whilst we are playing like this?
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 18, 2021 14:12:14 GMT
Question how we are playing atm. Would Campbell get in the team when he is fully fit asking for a friend lol The real question is how many goals would he score whilst we are playing like this? A shed load hopefully. He carried the team in the first half of the season last year, and had more goals + assists per minute than any player in the league. If we can get him back in that form we will pretty difficult to stop this year.
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 18, 2021 14:15:02 GMT
I think he got 14 league goals in the period from Xmas 2019 to his injury, which would be a decent season return. It actually came in a period of 40 games but in 4 of those he was out of the squad or an unused sub. Not much of a a stretch to anticipate 20 goals if alongside decent players. People also neglect his assists he was doing pretty well on that front in early 20-21 games too. Absolutely. How many players get 30 goals in this league? I think only 2 have done it in 20 odd years. Yeah, Ivan Toney and Glenn Murray. Pukki came close with 29 recently. It’s a real stretch to get 30.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 18, 2021 14:15:27 GMT
Going to be a bit before we see him at a best case. Remember how long it took to get him "90 minutes fit"? Am prepared to be patient. I think he'd be even more prolific in this new system - we have players who can pass now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:18:49 GMT
Absolutely. How many players get 30 goals in this league? I think only 2 have done it in 20 odd years. Yeah, Ivan Toney and Glenn Murray. Pukki came close with 29 recently. It’s a real stretch to get 30. Is a hell of a task, yes. Simply isn't done regularly. once a decade on average. Over 20 is an excellent return for any striker.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 18, 2021 14:47:38 GMT
He’ll doubtless start from the bench when he comes back but soon work his way up to starting matches. We will have four forwards going for two places. Fletcher and Surridge are more or less competing with each other for one, and Brown and Campbell for the other. As improved as Brown is, he’s not going to keep a fit Campbell out of the side. He’ll likely be used mostly from the bench and perhaps start the odd away game, as well as provide RWB cover in case Smith gets injured. That seems the default, but Campbell was becoming such a complete player that I don't see why he couldn't play alongside Brown sometimes when we think pace is how to exploit an opponent. Fit Campbell opens up options.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 14:52:07 GMT
He’ll doubtless start from the bench when he comes back but soon work his way up to starting matches. We will have four forwards going for two places. Fletcher and Surridge are more or less competing with each other for one, and Brown and Campbell for the other. As improved as Brown is, he’s not going to keep a fit Campbell out of the side. He’ll likely be used mostly from the bench and perhaps start the odd away game, as well as provide RWB cover in case Smith gets injured. That seems the default, but Campbell was becoming such a complete player that I don't see why he couldn't play alongside Brown sometimes when we think pace is how to exploit an opponent. Fit Campbell opens up options. With four strikers, it should really depend on the opponent and their general fitness. A fit and raring Campbell will likely work best with Surridge (or Fletcher). However, a big part of our win yesterday was the high press. They could not get Grimes on the ball at all. It ruined their game and they fell to pieces. Campbell isn't going to do that. Against teams like Swansea, Fulham and Bournemouth, I would play Surridge and Brown, bringing on Campbell when they tire for improved counter attacks.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 18, 2021 16:54:09 GMT
That seems the default, but Campbell was becoming such a complete player that I don't see why he couldn't play alongside Brown sometimes when we think pace is how to exploit an opponent. Fit Campbell opens up options. With four strikers, it should really depend on the opponent and their general fitness. A fit and raring Campbell will likely work best with Surridge (or Fletcher). However, a big part of our win yesterday was the high press. They could not get Grimes on the ball at all. It ruined their game and they fell to pieces. Campbell isn't going to do that. Against teams like Swansea, Fulham and Bournemouth, I would play Surridge and Brown, bringing on Campbell when they tire for improved counter attacks. Yeah agreed. I'd only do Brown+Campbell in some situations but it's nice to imagine that we should have different options.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2021 17:12:18 GMT
Yes of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 17:19:38 GMT
That seems the default, but Campbell was becoming such a complete player that I don't see why he couldn't play alongside Brown sometimes when we think pace is how to exploit an opponent. Fit Campbell opens up options. With four strikers, it should really depend on the opponent and their general fitness. A fit and raring Campbell will likely work best with Surridge (or Fletcher). However, a big part of our win yesterday was the high press. They could not get Grimes on the ball at all. It ruined their game and they fell to pieces. Campbell isn't going to do that. Against teams like Swansea, Fulham and Bournemouth, I would play Surridge and Brown, bringing on Campbell when they tire for improved counter attacks. Very true and no Connor Roberts gave us space wide left as he 's a massive part of their game. Grimes like you said they play through. Been impressed a lot with Surridge, lovely link up play with Clucas. Nice problems to have when all back.
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