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Post by bingbang on Apr 21, 2021 20:12:29 GMT
Anybody know how his injury is going? People have him on here as next seasons messiah, if he is still on crutches, as he seemed to be a month or so ago, then there is a strong chance he will not make the first half of next season. If indeed he is still on crutches next season could be a no go. Serious knee injuries are hard to overcome and can be career threatening.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 21, 2021 20:13:26 GMT
MON needs to hope he comes back in the same form, the only player capable of saving his job.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 21, 2021 20:13:34 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though....
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Post by sheds1862 on Apr 21, 2021 20:13:58 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳
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Post by neddy on Apr 21, 2021 20:14:54 GMT
I could see Powell wanting out!
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Post by bingbang on Apr 21, 2021 20:16:16 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳 Really, I’d lay off the vodka if I were you 😀
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Post by jeycov on Apr 21, 2021 20:29:21 GMT
I could see Powell wanting out! Really hope not
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Post by mowlee on Apr 21, 2021 20:35:38 GMT
I could see Powell wanting out! Really hope not if he’s not signed a new contract this summer he will be gone.. leave on a free a year from now with a nice million pound plus signing on fee wherever he goes
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 21, 2021 20:36:10 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳 That’s his problem, he’s stepped up to too many plates and devoured whatever was on them.😂
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 21, 2021 20:36:35 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though.... Full match fitness.....end of September.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 21, 2021 20:45:18 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳 Not a bad call, he might be good at baseball. That involves standing around a lot.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 21, 2021 20:56:58 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳 Not a bad call, he might be good at baseball. That involves standing around a lot. He'd make a good pitchers mound.
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Post by karl on Apr 22, 2021 18:07:19 GMT
Will he be fit for pre season?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:13:42 GMT
Is not just Campbell, we've been without key players all season. nothing to suggest Powell will go. Glad the season over nearly and a break to go again with a full squad
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Post by canadianmoose on Apr 22, 2021 18:25:31 GMT
Is not just Campbell, we've been without key players all season. nothing to suggest Powell will go. Glad the season over nearly and a break to go again with a full squad Which key players? Clucas? Everyone was saying he is shit and doesnt give a fuck anyway Allen? Possibly but then again...... Collins? Hes a young promising (very promising) centre half, nothing more. He was also shoe horned in at RB a lot of the time Fox? - Meh - RND is better anyway. Even when said players have been in the side they haven't exactly set the place on fire with energy and gusto have they? Campbell is the only one that is a big miss for me. Even then the football on offer wasn't exactly great. Campbell was simply papering over the cracks. A fully fit squad with this style of play and swanning around the pitch at walking pace passing back and sideways with the midfield camped in front of the back 3 will yield no better results that this season. If Im wrong, I will be very, very happy and will be happy to say so as well. We cant even take a throw in without giving the ball away. On top of that MON decides to have a rant about long throw ins? Its laughable.
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Post by somersetstokie on Apr 22, 2021 18:27:52 GMT
If Campbell's now fearsome reputation continues to increase the longer he is out, by the start of next season all we will need to do is name him in the squad and the opposition will just give up, collapsing in fear and trepidation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:32:20 GMT
Is not just Campbell, we've been without key players all season. nothing to suggest Powell will go. Glad the season over nearly and a break to go again with a full squad Which key players? Clucas? Everyone was saying he is shit and doesnt give a fuck anywayAllen? Possibly but then again...... Collins? Hes a young promising (very promising) centre half, nothing more. He was also shoe horned in at RB a lot of the time Fox? - Meh - RND is better anyway. Even when said players have been in the side they haven't exactly set the place on fire with energy and gusto have they? Campbell is the only one that is a big miss for me. Even then the football on offer wasn't exactly great. Campbell was simply papering over the cracks. A fully fit squad with this style of play and swanning around the pitch at walking pace passing back and sideways with the midfield camped in front of the back 3 will yield no better results that this season. If Im wrong, I will be very, very happy and will be happy to say so as well. Everyone didn't at all. double figures last season. Are you suggesting we haven't had injury problems that have made a difference? we lost 3 keepers at once and had 8 potential first teamer out at the same time. Will stick to the facts myself
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Post by yyy on Apr 22, 2021 18:44:57 GMT
Which key players? Clucas? Everyone was saying he is shit and doesnt give a fuck anywayAllen? Possibly but then again...... Collins? Hes a young promising (very promising) centre half, nothing more. He was also shoe horned in at RB a lot of the time Fox? - Meh - RND is better anyway. Even when said players have been in the side they haven't exactly set the place on fire with energy and gusto have they? Campbell is the only one that is a big miss for me. Even then the football on offer wasn't exactly great. Campbell was simply papering over the cracks. A fully fit squad with this style of play and swanning around the pitch at walking pace passing back and sideways with the midfield camped in front of the back 3 will yield no better results that this season. If Im wrong, I will be very, very happy and will be happy to say so as well. Everyone didn't at all. double figures last season. Are you suggesting we haven't had injury problems that have made a difference? we lost 3 keepers at once and had 8 potential first teamer out at the same time. Will stick to the facts myself Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:48:10 GMT
Everyone didn't at all. double figures last season. Are you suggesting we haven't had injury problems that have made a difference? we lost 3 keepers at once and had 8 potential first teamer out at the same time. Will stick to the facts myself Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix totally agree. missed him massively this season. Good to see him score a cracker last night and hopefully back to his best next season.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 22, 2021 19:24:10 GMT
Everyone didn't at all. double figures last season. Are you suggesting we haven't had injury problems that have made a difference? we lost 3 keepers at once and had 8 potential first teamer out at the same time. Will stick to the facts myself Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix Except there aren’t. Fletcher’s best ever season is 15 and he’s not getting any younger. Clucas has one season in double figures, this is Powell’s best season- Campbell really depends on how and when he comes back. Clucas despite what you believe, is one of those who needs to score otherwise you’d have no idea he was there; Wednesday summed him up totally- super goal but up until then , and then afterwards, he was no influence at all.
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Post by mcw on Apr 22, 2021 19:26:41 GMT
Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix totally agree. missed him massively this season. Good to see him score a cracker last night and hopefully back to his best next season. This is what baffles me, every fan looks at the individual player and then makes their assessment. Easy enough with a player like Campbell- he scores goals from nothing and provides excitement. But then players like Allen/Clucas who are deemed to be shit/replaceable with no real justification are just written off as we can do without them. This shows how little most people know about football as a collective sport- Eric Cantona was a magician, but he needed Didier Deschamps "the water carrier" to do the dirty stuff to break things up and given him the ball to create his artistry.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 22, 2021 19:37:14 GMT
totally agree. missed him massively this season. Good to see him score a cracker last night and hopefully back to his best next season. This is what baffles me, every fan looks at the individual player and then makes their assessment. Easy enough with a player like Campbell- he scores goals from nothing and provides excitement. But then players like Allen/Clucas who are deemed to be shit/replaceable with no real justification are just written off as we can do without them. This shows how little most people know about football as a collective sport- Eric Cantona was a magician, but he needed Didier Deschamps "the water carrier" to do the dirty stuff to break things up and given him the ball to create his artistry. Don’t even try and compare Clucas or Allen to Deschamps- they are not in the same league. Clucas, Allen are no better / worse than Thompson, Mikel or McLean, they all have something that they can do well but they don’t do it consistently and they don’t influence games anywhere near often enough to give Stoke a dominant midfield.
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Apr 22, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though.... Full match fitness.....end of September. The other question is can he play a full 90 minutes. I think his fitness has always been an issue, he was taken off a lot after 60 mins when he first came into the side I seem to remember. As soon as he is asked to play 90 mins on a regular basis he gets a long term injury. Hopefully his inability to complete 90 mins when he first came into the side is just down to his tender years. I have no basis for saying this but I fear there is a more permanent problem there, I really hope I am wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 20:44:16 GMT
This is what baffles me, every fan looks at the individual player and then makes their assessment. Easy enough with a player like Campbell- he scores goals from nothing and provides excitement. But then players like Allen/Clucas who are deemed to be shit/replaceable with no real justification are just written off as we can do without them. This shows how little most people know about football as a collective sport- Eric Cantona was a magician, but he needed Didier Deschamps "the water carrier" to do the dirty stuff to break things up and given him the ball to create his artistry. Don’t even try and compare Clucas or Allen to Deschamps- they are not in the same league. Clucas, Allen are no better / worse than Thompson, Mikel or McLean, they all have something that they can do well but they don’t do it consistently and they don’t influence games anywhere near often enough to give Stoke a dominant midfield. Do you actually read what people write?
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Post by lordb on Apr 22, 2021 20:49:02 GMT
Is not just Campbell, we've been without key players all season. nothing to suggest Powell will go. Glad the season over nearly and a break to go again with a full squad Which key players? Clucas? Everyone was saying he is shit and doesnt give a fuck anyway Allen? Possibly but then again...... Collins? Hes a young promising (very promising) centre half, nothing more. He was also shoe horned in at RB a lot of the time Fox? - Meh - RND is better anyway. Even when said players have been in the side they haven't exactly set the place on fire with energy and gusto have they? Campbell is the only one that is a big miss for me. Even then the football on offer wasn't exactly great. Campbell was simply papering over the cracks. A fully fit squad with this style of play and swanning around the pitch at walking pace passing back and sideways with the midfield camped in front of the back 3 will yield no better results that this season. If Im wrong, I will be very, very happy and will be happy to say so as well. We cant even take a throw in without giving the ball away. On top of that MON decides to have a rant about long throw ins? Its laughable. Clucas and Allen were excellent, with Powell, last season under O'Neill We've badly missed their performances from then and especially Clucas goals. Goes to show how important fitness is. Best case scenario they come back strong, would make a huge difference. However there has to be question marks re both of them obviously. If they don't pick up then that's a problem for sure. Don't understand where the don't give a fuck assessment us coming from? That's nonesense Can't see anyone taking Allen's wages on, Clucas might attract attention (Warnock was apparently keen last summer) if so then that could be freshened up but would expect the same options for next season. Collins is massively underestimated there , him and Souttar paired up would easily be the best pairing in the division but that would require a right back coming in Fox has been absolutely fine, consistent performances 7/10 type Plus Clarke,Doughty to come in allowing for 4231 or 433 Campbell of course is key as is getting another striker so we don't have to see Vokes or Gregory. Another striker would allow Fletcher to be used as an impact sub which would I think
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Post by thehoof on Apr 22, 2021 20:51:59 GMT
Don’t even try and compare Clucas or Allen to Deschamps- they are not in the same league. Clucas, Allen are no better / worse than Thompson, Mikel or McLean, they all have something that they can do well but they don’t do it consistently and they don’t influence games anywhere near often enough to give Stoke a dominant midfield. Do you actually read what people write? Not if you are anywhere near it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 20:58:04 GMT
Everyone didn't at all. double figures last season. Are you suggesting we haven't had injury problems that have made a difference? we lost 3 keepers at once and had 8 potential first teamer out at the same time. Will stick to the facts myself Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix certainly 30 plus goals there in a season if all playing, maybe a fair few more. As mentioned Fletcher and Campbell were working well. we do need another in though for sure e as none will play every week and have the same high returns every term.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 23, 2021 2:30:41 GMT
Full match fitness.....end of September. The other question is can he play a full 90 minutes. I think his fitness has always been an issue, he was taken off a lot after 60 mins when he first came into the side I seem to remember. As soon as he is asked to play 90 mins on a regular basis he gets a long term injury. Hopefully his inability to complete 90 mins when he first came into the side is just down to his tender years. I have no basis for saying this but I fear there is a more permanent problem there, I really hope I am wrong though. I share that same concern and was concerned back when this endurance issue first came up. Let's face it, with Stoke being the Spinal Tap for strikers... anything like this is cause for concern. But, hopefully this is just a "blip" in his career. I was worried about his fitness/training but then I thought of this: He's obviously a special player. It could be that his quick changes of direction, leaving defenders in his wake places a ton of stress on those knees. (Like some running backs in the NFL - you can't run them on every play or their knees explode) His leg muscles could be powerful enough to overstress his knee joints during "combat maneuvers". So resting our fighter-jet may be the key to keeping him healthy. He's the only one we have. If we could have, 60-70 quality minutes of him terrorizing the opposition and we FINALLY find someone ELSE who can also be a threat - I'd take that. Especially if that's what it takes to have his services all season. That's better than playing him 90 then having to rest him for an entire game. I suspect that there are players who just aren't built to go 90 minutes. We obviously have several of those on the team, although "powerful legs" and "quick changes of direction" don't immediately spring to mind. . . First I'd sit him down and explain - you are a threat to our opponents, we're trying to keep you healthy and effective. This eliminates any doubt or confidence issues. I'd experiment with both starting him and using him as a sub. (And I DON'T MEAN at 80 minutes MON!) to see how/where he's most effective. You'd be likely to produce a healthy, happy and even more dangerous player than what he already is. Especially as he buys into the plan and sees that it's working. But thinking you're going to play physical players like this twice a week for 90 minutes, week in and week out "because I say so" without injuries? Ain't gonna happen. Just my opinion, but this kid just doesn't come across to me as a slacker or one who fails to see where his career could go. He looks pretty serious to me - especially when he has the ball in the opposition half. Fox in the chicken coop!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 7:23:48 GMT
Which key players? Clucas? Everyone was saying he is shit and doesnt give a fuck anyway Allen? Possibly but then again...... Collins? Hes a young promising (very promising) centre half, nothing more. He was also shoe horned in at RB a lot of the time Fox? - Meh - RND is better anyway. Even when said players have been in the side they haven't exactly set the place on fire with energy and gusto have they? Campbell is the only one that is a big miss for me. Even then the football on offer wasn't exactly great. Campbell was simply papering over the cracks. A fully fit squad with this style of play and swanning around the pitch at walking pace passing back and sideways with the midfield camped in front of the back 3 will yield no better results that this season. If Im wrong, I will be very, very happy and will be happy to say so as well. We cant even take a throw in without giving the ball away. On top of that MON decides to have a rant about long throw ins? Its laughable. Clucas and Allen were excellent, with Powell, last season under O'Neill We've badly missed their performances from then and especially Clucas goals. Goes to show how important fitness is. Best case scenario they come back strong, would make a huge difference. However there has to be question marks re both of them obviously. If they don't pick up then that's a problem for sure. Don't understand where the don't give a fuck assessment us coming from? That's nonesense Can't see anyone taking Allen's wages on, Clucas might attract attention (Warnock was apparently keen last summer) if so then that could be freshened up but would expect the same options for next season. Collins is massively underestimated there , him and Souttar paired up would easily be the best pairing in the division but that would require a right back coming in Fox has been absolutely fine, consistent performances 7/10 type Plus Clarke,Doughty to come in allowing for 4231 or 433 Campbell of course is key as is getting another striker so we don't have to see Vokes or Gregory. Another striker would allow Fletcher to be used as an impact sub which would I think That other striker that everyone talks about could, and probably should be Campbell himself. In his own mind he's a 9, not a 7. Having been elevated to superstar status while he's injured, we should humour him and play him where he wants to play, and where he can do more damage for us. Of course that just moves the problem somewhat, as we'll have to look for a proper right winger. None of the solutions that MON has thrown on the pitch in Ty's absence have worked, not even close. You'd hope he'd try D'Maggio Wright Phillips, but since the player has only been here for three months and is not a MON signing, he'll probably tell everyone who wants to listen that MWP is not ready yet. He's certainly getting ready very quickly. He is small, looks frail like he'd be bowled over if the wind wants to take him on. In fact he tracks back well, is good tackler, has electryfying pace, and has already scored a bunch of goals, not in every game, but more than you'd expect from a winger. And of course he comes from the exact same talent school as Campbell did. Wouldn't we love to see those two paired together at some point next season?
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 23, 2021 8:29:47 GMT
I've thought about this. Campbell at nine, rather than being on the right of three in the 4231 (which has worked really well). But who's going to hold onto the ball and bring others into play when we need to 'develop' an attack rather than just go for goal? In my mind a Fletch of 3 or 4 years ago would be ideal. But we don't have one. Is Liam Delap an option on a season long loan? Perhaps Rooster and Rory could do a job swap for a season to get round the problem of Liam and Rory working together (if that's a genuine obstacle)?
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