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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2023 14:10:59 GMT
1 year, 3 years. Either way it's performative bollocks from a monarchy that has the wealth (and properties) to end homelessness tomorrow if it really wanted to........................ Careful, you'll miss out on your gong for all your good work. It's ok to not be ok.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2023 17:36:46 GMT
The propaganda machine rolled heavily into action this morning, didn't it. Lovely cosplay pic across almost all of the Tory press, and the Mirror. Front page news. What had they actually done? Been to a reception he's big on promises to be fair.....
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 6, 2023 17:52:54 GMT
Keep the monarchy, it gives us the type of political stability we wouldn't have under a far Left/Right president.
But slim down the monarchy by getting rid of the hangers-on.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 6, 2023 18:28:46 GMT
Keep the monarchy, it gives us the type of political stability we wouldn't have under a far Left/Right president. But slim down the monarchy by getting rid of the hangers-on. The monarch becomes the monarch by accident of birth. You and I have absolutely no control over the political affiliation of the monarch and no control over what they do as Head of State. Our constitution is unwritten - Which pretty much means those at the top just make it up as they go along. The only reason we have had a degree of stability is pure luck. You are assuming because Elizabeth and Charles have been quiet about their politics and have not pushed what they can do as monarch others won't either but there is no way you can claim this is how it always will be - gambling that the future heirs to the throne will be as benign is just wishful thinking. Charles' great uncle, Edward VIII, was a known Nazi sympathiser - if he hadn't abdicated when he did the second world war could have raised all sorts of issues.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 6, 2023 20:11:34 GMT
Keep the monarchy, it gives us the type of political stability we wouldn't have under a far Left/Right president. But slim down the monarchy by getting rid of the hangers-on. The monarch becomes the monarch by accident of birth. You and I have absolutely no control over the political affiliation of the monarch and no control over what they do as Head of State. Our constitution is unwritten - Which pretty much means those at the top just make it up as they go along. The only reason we have had a degree of stability is pure luck. You are assuming because Elizabeth and Charles have been quiet about their politics and have not pushed what they can do as monarch others won't either but there is no way you can claim this is how it always will be - gambling that the future heirs to the throne will be as benign is just wishful thinking. Charles' great uncle, Edward VIII, was a known Nazi sympathiser - if he hadn't abdicated when he did the second world war could have raised all sorts of issues. If the royal family lived on a council estate in S-o-T, the Express/Mail would vilify them, and call them what they really are. Benefit scroungers.
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Post by lordb on Dec 6, 2023 21:30:02 GMT
Keep the monarchy, it gives us the type of political stability we wouldn't have under a far Left/Right president. But slim down the monarchy by getting rid of the hangers-on. The monarch becomes the monarch by accident of birth. You and I have absolutely no control over the political affiliation of the monarch and no control over what they do as Head of State. Our constitution is unwritten - Which pretty much means those at the top just make it up as they go along. The only reason we have had a degree of stability is pure luck. You are assuming because Elizabeth and Charles have been quiet about their politics and have not pushed what they can do as monarch others won't either but there is no way you can claim this is how it always will be - gambling that the future heirs to the throne will be as benign is just wishful thinking. Charles' great uncle, Edward VIII, was a known Nazi sympathiser - if he hadn't abdicated when he did the second world war could have raised all sorts of issues. David encouraged the Nazis to continue with the Blitz he should have been hung from Nelson column, possibly the greatest traitor in our history
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 10, 2023 18:04:25 GMT
Keep the monarchy, it gives us the type of political stability we wouldn't have under a far Left/Right president. But slim down the monarchy by getting rid of the hangers-on. The monarch becomes the monarch by accident of birth. You and I have absolutely no control over the political affiliation of the monarch and no control over what they do as Head of State. Our constitution is unwritten - Which pretty much means those at the top just make it up as they go along. The only reason we have had a degree of stability is pure luck. You are assuming because Elizabeth and Charles have been quiet about their politics and have not pushed what they can do as monarch others won't either but there is no way you can claim this is how it always will be - gambling that the future heirs to the throne will be as benign is just wishful thinking. Charles' great uncle, Edward VIII, was a known Nazi sympathiser - if he hadn't abdicated when he did the second world war could have raised all sorts of issues. You and I would have no control over a President Boris Johnson or a President Jeremy Corbyn without a complete change to our political system similar to the checks and balances they have in the USA or some European governments. Then we'd probably end up with some kind of PR system where the tail wags the dog even more than it does now.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 22, 2023 16:20:32 GMT
To the Tower with him.... Mike Tindall has also revealed he calls Prince William ‘One Pint Willy’ because ‘he is not the best of drinkers’. The ex-England rugby star and his wife Zara made the revelations in a special podcast with rugby league legend Rob Burrow, who is battling motor neurone disease. Asked by Burrow if he has any nicknames for any of the royals, Mike says: ‘For the Prince of Wales, he is known as One Pint Willy. ‘He is known to me as One Pint Willy because he is not the best of drinkers, coming from a sport where it is built on the social aspect and a couple of beers being sunk quite often. That is one I will give away for the Prince of Wales.’ Zara can be heard laughing before saying: ‘Oh my god. You are in so much trouble.’ Tomorrow's Daily Mail headline: "Wills - My 15 pints a night days"
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2024 15:25:33 GMT
Total waste of money.......
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 17, 2024 9:00:40 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jan 17, 2024 9:14:48 GMT
Other countries manage to have a democratically elected non-political head of state, Ireland for example, without it being a hereditary position.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2024 9:22:22 GMT
They could have used less paint and reduced the bill if they'd not bothered with the 57 made up medals he's wearing...........
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 17, 2024 9:52:57 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 17, 2024 10:18:47 GMT
"In 2012, the late Queen Elizabeth II awarded him the highest rank in all three services - Field Marshal, Admiral of the Fleet and Marshal of the Royal Air Force." Well I for one am absolutely convinced there will have been a rigourous selection process...
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Post by lordb on Jan 17, 2024 12:58:09 GMT
President does not have to be political head can be a non political person like the Irish have
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 17, 2024 13:07:34 GMT
He saved 10 tokens on the side of Kellogg's Rice Crispies boxes for a couple of those..........
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 17, 2024 17:07:04 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 18, 2024 6:59:53 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 18, 2024 9:51:18 GMT
You have to laugh at this shit......
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 18, 2024 10:08:30 GMT
You have to laugh at this shit...... Future Queen? I doubt her and William will still be together in 5 years time, they already seem to be drifting apart. The pair of them have pretty much done their own thing all year. There's either friction between them because of the racism row or William has cheated in her.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2024 10:12:12 GMT
Thank you for that, maybe Chas deserves another medal! He is not alone in the charity work he does, his sister does an amazing amount for good causes. His father created the Duke of Edinburgh award, which has been life changing for many young people including a neighbour of mine's son. Hopefully William's initiative to end homelessness is successful. homewards.org.uk/I doubt he will achieve peace in the middle east where conflict has been going on for thousands of years. I actually think our royal family do more good for society than those politicians constantly referred to on the Tory shambles and Starmer threads. The Prince's Trust has actually saved lives by getting young people off drugs and getting them to lead rewarding lives. www.princes-trust.org.uk/how-we-can-help/success-stories/fynn-simmsThe UK head of state played a world leading role at COP28 when he made the opening address. This is the third time that he has performed the role and we should not forget that he is not just the UK head of state but also head of state of 14 other countries and head of the Commonwealth of 56 countries totally a population of 2.4 billion, 30% of the world population. But I expect that will not stop some throwing insults or eggs at him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 18, 2024 10:49:27 GMT
Thank you for that, maybe Chas deserves another medal! He is not alone in the charity work he does, his sister does an amazing amount for good causes. His father created the Duke of Edinburgh award, which has been life changing for many young people including a neighbour of mine's son. Hopefully William's initiative to end homelessness is successful. homewards.org.uk/I doubt he will achieve peace in the middle east where conflict has been going on for thousands of years. I actually think our royal family do more good for society than those politicians constantly referred to on the Tory shambles and Starmer threads. The Prince's Trust has actually saved lives by getting young people off drugs and getting them to lead rewarding lives. www.princes-trust.org.uk/how-we-can-help/success-stories/fynn-simmsThe UK head of state played a world leading role at COP28 when he made the opening address. This is the third time that he has performed the role and we should not forget that he is not just the UK head of state but also head of state of 14 other countries and head of the Commonwealth of 56 countries totally a population of 2.4 billion, 30% of the world population. But I expect that will not stop some throwing insults or eggs at him. I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2024 12:59:37 GMT
Thank you for that, maybe Chas deserves another medal! He is not alone in the charity work he does, his sister does an amazing amount for good causes. His father created the Duke of Edinburgh award, which has been life changing for many young people including a neighbour of mine's son. Hopefully William's initiative to end homelessness is successful. homewards.org.uk/I doubt he will achieve peace in the middle east where conflict has been going on for thousands of years. I actually think our royal family do more good for society than those politicians constantly referred to on the Tory shambles and Starmer threads. The Prince's Trust has actually saved lives by getting young people off drugs and getting them to lead rewarding lives. www.princes-trust.org.uk/how-we-can-help/success-stories/fynn-simmsThe UK head of state played a world leading role at COP28 when he made the opening address. This is the third time that he has performed the role and we should not forget that he is not just the UK head of state but also head of state of 14 other countries and head of the Commonwealth of 56 countries totally a population of 2.4 billion, 30% of the world population. But I expect that will not stop some throwing insults or eggs at him. I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You can consider yourself that all you like. It doesn’t make it true for you or I (who also thinks that the monarchy is comprised of a bunch of leeches). You are still a subject. Edit: I love how it’s reported that they are “taking time off work” 😂.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 18, 2024 15:20:47 GMT
I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You can consider yourself that all you like. It doesn’t make it true for you or I (who also thinks that the monarchy is comprised of a bunch of leeches). You are still a subject. Edit: I love how it’s reported that they are “taking time off work” 😂. He might be but I'm not: "The term "British subject" has several different meanings depending on the time period. Before 1949, it referred to almost all subjects of the British Empire (including the United Kingdom, Dominions, and colonies, but excluding protectorates and protected states). Between 1949 and 1983, the term was synonymous with Commonwealth citizen. Currently, it refers to people possessing a class of British nationality largely granted under limited circumstances to those connected with Ireland or British India born before 1949. Individuals with this nationality are British nationals and Commonwealth citizens, but not British citizens"
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2024 15:26:24 GMT
You can consider yourself that all you like. It doesn’t make it true for you or I (who also thinks that the monarchy is comprised of a bunch of leeches). You are still a subject. Edit: I love how it’s reported that they are “taking time off work” 😂. He might be but I'm not: "The term "British subject" has several different meanings depending on the time period. Before 1949, it referred to almost all subjects of the British Empire (including the United Kingdom, Dominions, and colonies, but excluding protectorates and protected states). Between 1949 and 1983, the term was synonymous with Commonwealth citizen. Currently, it refers to people possessing a class of British nationality largely granted under limited circumstances to those connected with Ireland or British India born before 1949. Individuals with this nationality are British nationals and Commonwealth citizens, but not British citizens" Well, I do stand corrected 😂. I evidently did not know of this distinction. I’ll be getting off my horse now, my balls hurt.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 18, 2024 15:29:35 GMT
He might be but I'm not: "The term "British subject" has several different meanings depending on the time period. Before 1949, it referred to almost all subjects of the British Empire (including the United Kingdom, Dominions, and colonies, but excluding protectorates and protected states). Between 1949 and 1983, the term was synonymous with Commonwealth citizen. Currently, it refers to people possessing a class of British nationality largely granted under limited circumstances to those connected with Ireland or British India born before 1949. Individuals with this nationality are British nationals and Commonwealth citizens, but not British citizens" Well, I do stand corrected 😂. I evidently did not know of this distinction. I’ll be getting off my horse now, my balls hurt. Recent news reports suggest Charles's probably do as well.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2024 10:28:08 GMT
Thank you for that, maybe Chas deserves another medal! He is not alone in the charity work he does, his sister does an amazing amount for good causes. His father created the Duke of Edinburgh award, which has been life changing for many young people including a neighbour of mine's son. Hopefully William's initiative to end homelessness is successful. homewards.org.uk/I doubt he will achieve peace in the middle east where conflict has been going on for thousands of years. I actually think our royal family do more good for society than those politicians constantly referred to on the Tory shambles and Starmer threads. The Prince's Trust has actually saved lives by getting young people off drugs and getting them to lead rewarding lives. www.princes-trust.org.uk/how-we-can-help/success-stories/fynn-simmsThe UK head of state played a world leading role at COP28 when he made the opening address. This is the third time that he has performed the role and we should not forget that he is not just the UK head of state but also head of state of 14 other countries and head of the Commonwealth of 56 countries totally a population of 2.4 billion, 30% of the world population. But I expect that will not stop some throwing insults or eggs at him. I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You are quite correct, we are a country of equals and I assure you no one is more conscious of that than our king. He has championed the interests of the poor and needy, the young, ethnic minorities and from my own experience expressed concern about those being made unemployed by big business and government decisions. This is apart from his concern for the future of the planet which he once pressed hard on myself to ensure I did all that I could. It is wrong to say we are saddled with the monarch on the basis of birth. Parliament is sovereign and can pass any law it wishes including changing the monarch. Charles expressed his views when a Prince, now he is king, he is well aware he has to control his mouth more and only read out what the government have told him to say.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 19, 2024 11:45:54 GMT
I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You are quite correct, we are a country of equals and I assure you no one is more conscious of that than our king. He has championed the interests of the poor and needy, the young, ethnic minorities and from my own experience expressed concern about those being made unemployed by big business and government decisions. This is apart from his concern for the future of the planet which he once pressed hard on myself to ensure I did all that I could. It is wrong to say we are saddled with the monarch on the basis of birth. Parliament is sovereign and can pass any law it wishes including changing the monarch. Charles expressed his views when a Prince, now he is king, he is well aware he has to control his mouth more and only read out what the government have told him to say. CBUFAWKIPWH considers himself a citizen of a country of equals as do I, that should be the aim. But we absolutely are not a country of equals right here right now, and if the king thinks that then he's ridiculously naive at best...........
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2024 11:59:32 GMT
I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You are quite correct, we are a country of equals and I assure you no one is more conscious of that than our king. He has championed the interests of the poor and needy, the young, ethnic minorities and from my own experience expressed concern about those being made unemployed by big business and government decisions. This is apart from his concern for the future of the planet which he once pressed hard on myself to ensure I did all that I could. It is wrong to say we are saddled with the monarch on the basis of birth. Parliament is sovereign and can pass any law it wishes including changing the monarch. Charles expressed his views when a Prince, now he is king, he is well aware he has to control his mouth more and only read out what the government have told him to say. If we were a country of equals we wouldn't have hereditary peers in the House of Lords.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 19, 2024 12:28:27 GMT
I'm sure he's a very nice man and I don't feel inclined to throw eggs or insults at him. However I have no intention of bowing in his presence either. Thing is I didn't vote for him so as far as I'm concerned he's your king, not mine. I consider myself a citizen of a country of equals - I'm not anyone's subject. You are quite correct, we are a country of equals and I assure you no one is more conscious of that than our king. He has championed the interests of the poor and needy, the young, ethnic minorities and from my own experience expressed concern about those being made unemployed by big business and government decisions. This is apart from his concern for the future of the planet which he once pressed hard on myself to ensure I did all that I could. It is wrong to say we are saddled with the monarch on the basis of birth. Parliament is sovereign and can pass any law it wishes including changing the monarch. Charles expressed his views when a Prince, now he is king, he is well aware he has to control his mouth more and only read out what the government have told him to say. Concerns about the future of the planet while flying around in a private jet 😂.
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