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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 8:54:30 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks....
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 8, 2021 8:57:30 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks.... No |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2021 9:02:41 GMT
Get them fucked off.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 8, 2021 9:03:18 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks.... I dream of the day the Monarchy is fucked off for good. Why on earth it still exists when most countries binned theirs off years ago. We laugh at countries like North Korea for this:  Yet, Here Ye, Here Ye, this is oh so traditional and very imPORtant.  Fuck off. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 9:03:28 GMT
You know it makes sense. They could even move to Bahrain or Swaziland I’m sure King Hamad or King Mswati will take them, they love wining and dining these murderers dictators so they’ll fit in well there. Or Saudi Arabia maybe?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 8, 2021 9:08:55 GMT
Abolishing the Monarchy would mean yet more elections - for a president! So, for that reason I am against it.
I rather like the idea of a Head of State who: a) most of the world's leaders REALLY want to meet and b) who does not spend their time in direct competition to the Prime Minister and c) who probably pays their own way in terms of the amount of foreign tourist income they and their family generate directly and indirectly.
I'd much rather abolish the House of Lords and move to a democratically elected second chamber (elected by PR) than worry about the Monarchy.
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Post by zerps on Mar 8, 2021 9:11:44 GMT
They generate billions in tourism revenue.
And their outfits are cool.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 9:13:39 GMT
Most of the historic statues have been taken down so it was only a matter of time before the Royal Family were next.
Now I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family (huge one of the Royle family). Andrews a total creep and should be dealt with for what he’s done in relation to the Epstein ring but they are a huge part of this countries identity and make us unique and should remain.
William will be an excellent king. He’s a modern royal and has never behaved in any other way than impeccably and has setup some great initiatives and charities.
All these trigger reactions based on what? A 2 hour interview that we don’t even know is true. Both sides need to be heard before we get a more balanced view.
This thread being opened is as predictable as night turning to day.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 9:18:39 GMT
Most of the historic statues have been taken down so it was only a matter of time before the Royal Family were next. Now I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family (huge one of the Royle family). Andrews a total creep and should be dealt with for what he’s done in relation to the Epstein ring but they are a huge part of this countries identity and make us unique and should remain. William will be an excellent king. He’s a modern royal and has never behaved in any other way than impeccably and has setup some great initiatives and charities. All these trigger reactions based on what? A 2 hour interview that we don’t even know is true. Both sides need to be heard before we get a more balanced view. This thread being opened is as predictable as night turning to day. It’s not been triggered by anything as far as I’m concerned, I’ve held this view for a long time. But the monarchy are back in the news so worthy of debate....... |
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Post by werrington on Mar 8, 2021 9:20:22 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 9:21:12 GMT
Most of the historic statues have been taken down so it was only a matter of time before the Royal Family were next. Now I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family (huge one of the Royle family). Andrews a total creep and should be dealt with for what he’s done in relation to the Epstein ring but they are a huge part of this countries identity and make us unique and should remain. William will be an excellent king. He’s a modern royal and has never behaved in any other way than impeccably and has setup some great initiatives and charities. All these trigger reactions based on what? A 2 hour interview that we don’t even know is true. Both sides need to be heard before we get a more balanced view. This thread being opened is as predictable as night turning to day. It’s not been triggered by anything as far as I’m concerned, I’ve held this view for a long time. But the monarchy are back in the news so worthy of debate....... Debate? Isn’t that when you discuss. Looks more like a call to arms to get rid of them  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2021 9:25:32 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them Hopefully this is the beginning of the end Even if that myth has an element of truth in it wez, we're not getting rid of their history, soppy American and Japanese tourists will still come to see some of their solid gold houses which will still be standing. It's our future they need to be removed from. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 9:25:56 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them Hopefully this is the beginning of the end It’s true though mate, no one visits France anymore since they abolished their monarchy. The Palace of Versailles received a pitiful 10 million visitors in 2019 FFS..... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 9:28:13 GMT
It’s not been triggered by anything as far as I’m concerned, I’ve held this view for a long time. But the monarchy are back in the news so worthy of debate....... Debate? Isn’t that when you discuss. Looks more like a call to arms to get rid of them I started about 15 minutes ago mate, give it time to warm up FFS..... |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 8, 2021 9:32:42 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them Hopefully this is the beginning of the end Fair enough Werrers. That's your opinion. But can we have your reasons for saying that the amount of tourist money brought in by the Royal Family is a "myth?" If you had declared that the amount of money brought in was irrelevant, I could have seen your point of view - even if I didn't agree with it. But to declare it is a myth, without any supporting evidence, is a giant step in the dark. There are surveys of foreign tourists done each year - and the percentage who name the Royal Family and the Royal residences and properties as a significant reason and a major part of their visit, is huge. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 9:32:59 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them Hopefully this is the beginning of the end Do they though? Genuinely don't know either way. In terms of tourism the palace of Versailles is the third most popular tourist attraction in France, despite their not having had a monarchy for almost 250 years. I suspect the tourist dollars would still roll in regardless of whether we had a royal family or not... Can't speak about the business side of it but I guess they're often used as fronts for introductions etc, while creaming off a nice little earner... I'd happily settle for having a monarchy which has as much relevance on UK society, media interest, etc as the ones they have on the continent in Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands etc, purely ceremonial, of little real relevance and hopefully relying on their own wealth resources rather than that of the State. If that's not possible, then they have to go. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 8, 2021 9:37:13 GMT
They bring loads of money in apparently .....that’s the usual justification myth for those who rally around them Hopefully this is the beginning of the end Fair enough Werrers. That's your opinion. But can we have your reasons for saying that the amount of tourist money brought in by the Royal Family is a "myth?" If you had declared that the amount of money brought in was irrelevant, I could have seen your point of view - even if I didn't agree with it. But to declare it is a myth, without any supporting evidence, is a giant step in the dark. There are surveys of foreign tourists done each year - and the percentage who name the Royal Family and the Royal residences and properties as a significant reason and a major part of their visit, is huge. People would still come and visit those sites in their droves anyway mate as they would come to see how where and how they used to live in just the same manner See Paris |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 8, 2021 9:39:14 GMT
Most of the historic statues have been taken down so it was only a matter of time before the Royal Family were next. Now I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family (huge one of the Royle family). Andrews a total creep and should be dealt with for what he’s done in relation to the Epstein ring but they are a huge part of this countries identity and make us unique and should remain. William will be an excellent king. He’s a modern royal and has never behaved in any other way than impeccably and has setup some great initiatives and charities. All these trigger reactions based on what? A 2 hour interview that we don’t even know is true. Both sides need to be heard before we get a more balanced view. This thread being opened is as predictable as night turning to day. 'Most' of the historic statues have been taken down? Really? |
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Post by felonious on Mar 8, 2021 9:40:00 GMT
Christ on a bike, President Blair I'm just off to throw up.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2021 9:40:47 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks.... What would you replace the monarchy with? Maybe a President like the Irish President. Surely not like France or the USA? Your comment seems to be based on envy, calling them swindlers. What does the monarchy cost each UK citizen on average? Answer £1 per year. www.statista.com/chart/18569/total-cost-of-the-uks-royal-family-by-year/Tourism earns the UK in a normal year earns over £145 billion, over 7% of GDP (There some on this MB screaming because Brexit could cost 2 to 3 % GDP, which I believe is wildly exaggerated, gives us our sovereignty back, which I think is priceless, and will be hugely beneficial in generations to come.) There are over 3 million people employed in tourism in the UK, nearly 10% of the working population. How much damage would the loss of the royal family do to tourism, which costs less than 0.05% of the tourism benefit? A 1% loss in tourism would cost 20 times more than the cost of the royal family. I think we would be mad to give up the royal family given the economic benefit it helps to generate. www.visitbritain.org/visitor-economy-factswww.tourismalliance.com/downloads/TA_408_435.pdfI think there is an advantage in having a constitutional monarch as head of state to whom armed forces, judges, etc. swear allegiance, rather than "the state", or "the flag" or worst of all, a politician. Some of the royal family are wasters, but some also do a huge amount of work for charities and good causes like The Prince's Trust, which does a huge amount of good. You may not like royalty, but you should think out the full implications of doing away with it. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 9:42:14 GMT
Christ on a bike, President Blair I'm just off to throw up. Other presidents are available....... |
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 8, 2021 9:43:41 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks.... Does President Blair or President Johnson sound good to you!? Reform our electoral system before removing our largely symbolic head of state. Plus they make us millions, probably billions, in tourism. Also, the Sussexes were much more damming about the entourage rather than the royal family themselves. Other than Harry’s rather understandable issues with his father. |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2021 9:44:18 GMT
Christ on a bike, President Blair I'm just off to throw up. I agree. Having a politician as a head of state would be hugely divisive for this nation. Just look at France and USA. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 8, 2021 9:45:05 GMT
Fair enough Werrers. That's your opinion. But can we have your reasons for saying that the amount of tourist money brought in by the Royal Family is a "myth?" If you had declared that the amount of money brought in was irrelevant, I could have seen your point of view - even if I didn't agree with it. But to declare it is a myth, without any supporting evidence, is a giant step in the dark. There are surveys of foreign tourists done each year - and the percentage who name the Royal Family and the Royal residences and properties as a significant reason and a major part of their visit, is huge. People would still come and visit those sites in their droves anyway mate as they would come to see how where and how they used to live in just the same manner See Paris The fact that tourist attendance at places like Buckingham Palace, Balmoral, Sandringham and Windsor Castle is higher when the Royal family happen to be in residence suggests you are wrong. Of course Royal Palaces, Castles and buildings would still be big attractions even if the Monarchy were abolished but not as big as they are with a live Monarchy. You only have to look at the increased incidence of Foreign Tourism at the times of the various Jubilees and Royal Weddings and Funerals to see that Royalty itself is a big draw as well that of Royal properties. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 9:46:47 GMT
The Queen is 95 and the Windsors are all in full blown chaos mode again, there’s never been a better time to say goodbye to our outdated class system and all the pomp and ceremony bullshit that goes with it and move forward as a country. Britain’s biggest welfare swindlers need to retire to their country homes and let us get on with creating a modern society free from all this bollocks.... What would you replace the monarchy with? Maybe a President like the Irish President. Surely not like France or the USA? Your comment seems to be based on envy, calling them swindlers. What does the monarchy cost each UK citizen on average? Answer £1 per year. www.statista.com/chart/18569/total-cost-of-the-uks-royal-family-by-year/Tourism earns the UK in a normal year earns over £145 billion, over 7% of GDP (There some on this MB screaming because Brexit could cost 2 to 3 % GDP, which I believe is wildly exaggerated, gives us our sovereignty back, which I think is priceless, and will be hugely beneficial in generations to come.) There are over 3 million people employed in tourism in the UK, nearly 10% of the working population. How much damage would the loss of the royal family do to tourism, which costs less than 0.05% of the tourism benefit? A 1% loss in tourism would cost 20 times more than the cost of the royal family. I think we would be mad to give up the royal family given the economic benefit it helps to generate. www.visitbritain.org/visitor-economy-factswww.tourismalliance.com/downloads/TA_408_435.pdfI think there is an advantage in having a constitutional monarch as head of state to whom armed forces, judges, etc. swear allegiance, rather than "the state", or "the flag" or worst of all, a politician. Some of the royal family are wasters, but some also do a huge amount of work for charities and good causes like The Prince's Trust, which does a huge amount of good. You may not like royalty, but you should think out the full implications of doing away with it. Since you brought it up...if only you'd applied the same degree of analysis to Brexit...  But I think I've seen it all now...a Brexiteer arguing that we should keep an unelected, unrepresentative establishment which we can't vote to remove on the grounds that it doesn't cost us very much per capita and is good overall for the economy of the country. That's perfect!  |
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Post by felonious on Mar 8, 2021 9:48:05 GMT
Christ on a bike, President Blair I'm just off to throw up. Other presidents are available....... Which one do you recommend? Outside of President Sturgeon I'm struggling Can you imagine against the backdrop of the views expressed on this place dropping another layer of part politics into the equation |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 8, 2021 9:49:57 GMT
It's far from perfect but it's better than the alternative, much like democracy.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 9:51:36 GMT
Other presidents are available....... Which one do you recommend? Outside of President Sturgeon I'm struggling Can you imagine against the backdrop of the views expressed on this place dropping another layer of part politics into the equation You don't have to read them or participate Seems one of the strongest arguments for leaving the EU was its unelected lack of accountability...same thing here isn't it? We could get rid of a President just like they just have done in the US, hopefully without any of the violence, but we can't get rid of the royals if we wanted to... |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 8, 2021 9:52:04 GMT
Why do the Monarchy have to be replaced with anything???
People moaning about Presidents, we have a Presidential system in place anyway, with our obsession with the party leaders. It's been like for decades.
It's a Presidential system in anything but name.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 9:52:09 GMT
Most of the historic statues have been taken down so it was only a matter of time before the Royal Family were next. Now I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family (huge one of the Royle family). Andrews a total creep and should be dealt with for what he’s done in relation to the Epstein ring but they are a huge part of this countries identity and make us unique and should remain. William will be an excellent king. He’s a modern royal and has never behaved in any other way than impeccably and has setup some great initiatives and charities. All these trigger reactions based on what? A 2 hour interview that we don’t even know is true. Both sides need to be heard before we get a more balanced view. This thread being opened is as predictable as night turning to day. 'Most' of the historic statues have been taken down? Really? They would be if it was down to some. As I said I’m no fan of the royal family but you can’t have the attitude of getting rid of everything you don’t like just because some (not the majority) don’t agree with it. Let’s be honest it won’t happen will it any way. |
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