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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 17:54:13 GMT
Keep the Royals. You shouldn't give up on tradition if it doesn't do anyone any harm. As long as they're performing their public duties I have no issue with them. I don't really get why people have such an issue with them. I think a lot of it’s envy. Let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to be in their position. Their lifestyle isn’t fair granted but life’s not fair. They are privileged through birth and inherited wealth but if they’re not hurting anyone I don’t get the hatred. Williams doing a lot of great work around mental health at the moment. The only one I have any major issue with is Andrew but you can’t tar them all with the same brush. It’s funny how some posters are bringing up the Queen allegedly doing a Nazi salute as a kid yet they’ll defend Begum to the hilt for joining Isis. Wow! Who's done that? |
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Post by vokeswagen on Mar 8, 2021 17:56:53 GMT
Keep the Royals. You shouldn't give up on tradition if it doesn't do anyone any harm. As long as they're performing their public duties I have no issue with them. I don't really get why people have such an issue with them. I think a lot of it’s envy. Let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to be in their position. Their lifestyle isn’t fair granted but life’s not fair. They are privileged through birth and inherited wealth but if they’re not hurting anyone I don’t get the hatred. Williams doing a lot of great work around mental health at the moment. The only one I have any major issue with is Andrew but you can’t tar them all with the same brush. It’s funny how some posters are bringing up the Queen allegedly doing a Nazi salute as a kid yet they’ll defend Begum to the hilt for joining Isis. Who exactly has defended Begum to the hilt for joining Isis mate, and whereabouts?  |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 17:58:27 GMT
I think a lot of it’s envy. Let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to be in their position. Their lifestyle isn’t fair granted but life’s not fair. They are privileged through birth and inherited wealth but if they’re not hurting anyone I don’t get the hatred. Williams doing a lot of great work around mental health at the moment. The only one I have any major issue with is Andrew but you can’t tar them all with the same brush. It’s funny how some posters are bringing up the Queen allegedly doing a Nazi salute as a kid yet they’ll defend Begum to the hilt for joining Isis. Who exactly has defended Begum to the hilt for joining Isis mate, and whereabouts? People saying she’s been exploited and how it’s not her fault and she’s not the one accountable it’s the people who got her to go over. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 18:01:19 GMT
Who exactly has defended Begum to the hilt for joining Isis mate, and whereabouts? People saying she’s been exploited and how it’s not her fault and she’s not the one accountable it’s the people who got her to go over. And who's done that and gone on about the queen doing nazi salutes? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 18:02:16 GMT
People saying she’s been exploited and how it’s not her fault and she’s not the one accountable it’s the people who got her to go over. And who's done that and gone on about the queen doing nazi salutes? Sheik put up a photo and comments were made. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 8, 2021 18:03:32 GMT
And who's done that and gone on about the queen doing nazi salutes? Sheik put up a photo and comments were made. And Sheik was also defending Begum to the hilt for joining Isis? |
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Post by themistocles on Mar 8, 2021 18:07:32 GMT
The left and their twitter mob will only call for a UK president to be abolished if it doesn't suit them.
Losers of the world.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 18:10:01 GMT
I think a lot of it’s envy. Let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to be in their position. Their lifestyle isn’t fair granted but life’s not fair. They are privileged through birth and inherited wealth but if they’re not hurting anyone I don’t get the hatred. Williams doing a lot of great work around mental health at the moment. The only one I have any major issue with is Andrew but you can’t tar them all with the same brush. It’s funny how some posters are bringing up the Queen allegedly doing a Nazi salute as a kid yet they’ll defend Begum to the hilt for joining Isis. Wow! Who's done that? absolutely no one...... |
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Post by vokeswagen on Mar 8, 2021 18:15:52 GMT
The left and their twitter mob will only call for a UK president to be abolished if it doesn't suit them. Losers of the world. Thanks for that Harry  |
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Post by vokeswagen on Mar 8, 2021 18:20:30 GMT
Who exactly has defended Begum to the hilt for joining Isis mate, and whereabouts? People saying she’s been exploited and how it’s not her fault and she’s not the one accountable it’s the people who got her to go over. I think the short answer to my question is no one and nowhere mate. Suggesting that someone was exploited when they joined a terror organisation as a minor (if indeed anyone actually has said that) is hardly defending her actions. You can look for an explanation for something without defending it. In fact it’s a pretty fundamental part of free thought, justice, debate and various other pillars of western democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 18:23:27 GMT
king Ralph was a dire film as we;;. not quite Eddie Murphy or Adam Sandler dire but getting there.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 18:32:01 GMT
People saying she’s been exploited and how it’s not her fault and she’s not the one accountable it’s the people who got her to go over. I think the short answer to my question is no one and nowhere mate. Suggesting that someone was exploited when they joined a terror organisation as a minor (if indeed anyone actually has said that) is hardly defending her actions. You can look for an explanation for something without defending it. In fact it’s a pretty fundamental part of free thought, justice, debate and various other pillars of western democracy. Couldn’t agree more. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2021 19:19:53 GMT
Sheik put up a photo and comments were made. And Sheik was also defending Begum to the hilt for joining Isis? No I haven't but Cobham knew that before he wrote it! |
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2021 19:27:22 GMT
Seems, like Palin mentioned above, fairly well liked by most, he sprang to mind for me too. Why not have half a dozen candidates (or whatever number really) and let people vote, if we absolutely *have* to have someone. Give them a one or two year renewable term, if people don't like them they can be dismissed at the end of it and someone else can have a go. Not everybody likes or wants the Royal family anyway, I can't see why any replacements have to be universally adored. Trevor MacDonald.. Most people like him, and would be seen as a progressive choice. Chris Tarrant. With Sally James as his consort. Felicity Kendall. Ant and Dec.. Paul O'Grady.. Again, progressive and would appease certain sectors, and he is a housewives favourite. Carol Smiley. Suzie off Countdown. Rachel Riley off Countdown. We are literally awash with nice people. Stopped concentrating on your point once you mentioned Sally James... What we talking about again? |
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2021 19:31:13 GMT
I think a lot of it’s envy. Let’s be honest who wouldn’t want to be in their position. Their lifestyle isn’t fair granted but life’s not fair. They are privileged through birth and inherited wealth but if they’re not hurting anyone I don’t get the hatred. Williams doing a lot of great work around mental health at the moment. The only one I have any major issue with is Andrew but you can’t tar them all with the same brush. It’s funny how some posters are bringing up the Queen allegedly doing a Nazi salute as a kid yet they’ll defend Begum to the hilt for joining Isis. Wow! Who's done that? The Queen, picture of her as a kid before WW2 Whether she knew what she was doing who knows but the picture is out there. Fair to say cuddly uncle David (Edward the 8th) knew what he was doing. He should have been hung for costing thousands of (mainly civilian) lives by encouraging the Nazis to continue with the blitz Instead it was kept secret for decades whilst we funded his homes in Paris and the West Indies. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 8, 2021 19:51:09 GMT
Soooo....
Is it worth me getting this private army together or what?
Need to know if the plebs will support me as their new monarch?
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 8, 2021 20:19:04 GMT
There are lots of people making the argument that the Royals bring in lots of tourist coin and lots of people making the point that we should be rid of the outdated institution of monarchy. I think we can satisfy both groups by selling tickets to watch an annual Royal purge. It could take the form of a Battle Royale in the grounds of Balmoral or maybe just straight beheadings starting from that photographer bloke and working up to the top.
Obviously I'm being daft, but seriously, if the best argument for the monarchy is that they bring in tourist cash then that's a pretty shit reason to keep them.
I find the idea of the hereditary principle totally embarrassing and I can never fathom how intelligent people aren't disgusted by it. It takes all sorts though, and I guess us Republicans have to accept that we're probably a minority unfortunately.
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Post by Cns on Mar 8, 2021 20:31:19 GMT
Long live the Queen
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 8, 2021 20:32:30 GMT
If I hired a private army, went to war with the Windsor's, overthrew them and declared myself King, would the royalists be ok with that? Would they still see me as royalty? Would people still die for me? I mean, that's pretty much how any royal family came to being, isn't it? It was super wealthy families who sent working class men to their deaths in order that they could be top dog and rule over the rest of us plebs. Exactly this. Their ancestors had a bigger stick and more henchmen. It's nonsense |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 8, 2021 21:17:28 GMT
We should retain only those who will succeed the throne, as the monarchy.
Charles, William, George.
As for the rest unless they offer something to benefit the country then they need to lose that red carpet treatment.
Anne is a good advocate for preferential treatment, whereas as Andrew wants fucking off.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Mar 8, 2021 21:25:41 GMT
We should retain only those who will succeed the throne, as the monarchy. Charles, William, George. As for the rest unless they offer something to benefit the country then they need to lose that red carpet treatment. Anne is a good advocate for preferential treatment, whereas as Andrew wants fucking off. Great assessment. The queen has been faultless as has William. Anne does a huge amount of good work. Even Edward does some good work. Andrew is a ponce and a bad egg. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2021 9:44:46 GMT
We should retain only those who will succeed the throne, as the monarchy. Charles, William, George. As for the rest unless they offer something to benefit the country then they need to lose that red carpet treatment. Anne is a good advocate for preferential treatment, whereas as Andrew wants fucking off. Great assessment. The queen has been faultless as has William. Anne does a huge amount of good work. Even Edward does some good work. Andrew is a ponce and a bad egg. Faultless? I certainly wouldn't go that far. The queens friendships with the rulers of oppressive regimes like Bahrain and Saudia Arabia due to her love of horse racing for example. Accepting expensive race horses as gifts from a man accused of abducting and killing his own daughter, King Hamad and his appalling human rights records, it's not a great look as far as I'm concerned........ |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 9, 2021 9:52:38 GMT
Great assessment. The queen has been faultless as has William. Anne does a huge amount of good work. Even Edward does some good work. Andrew is a ponce and a bad egg. Faultless? I certainly wouldn't go that far. The queens friendships with the rulers of oppressive regimes like Bahrain and Saudia Arabia due to her love of horse racing for example. Accepting expensive race horses as gifts from a man accused of abducting and killing his own daughter, King Hamad and his appalling human rights records, it's not a great look as far as I'm concerned........ Yet accepting trips to lay wreaths for murderers and calling hamas and hezbollah friends is ok if free broadband is promised...... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2021 10:00:00 GMT
Faultless? I certainly wouldn't go that far. The queens friendships with the rulers of oppressive regimes like Bahrain and Saudia Arabia due to her love of horse racing for example. Accepting expensive race horses as gifts from a man accused of abducting and killing his own daughter, King Hamad and his appalling human rights records, it's not a great look as far as I'm concerned........ Yet accepting trips to lay wreaths for murderers and calling hamas and hezbollah friends is ok if free broadband is promised...... I actually think you need help, to be so obsessed with one man isn't healthy....... |
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Post by redstriper on Mar 9, 2021 10:20:45 GMT
My view is that the monarchy is going to be an increasingly useful asset in the future of the UK. we have to face the fact we are finished as a major economic and industrial world force after a century of decline. UK is going to need tourist income more than it has ever done, we need to make the most of our historical assets and usp's. That includes our famous buildings, museums, industrial history such as ironbridge, olde world pubs, and yes the monarchy. Theme park Britain is going to be as important to our economy going forward as tourism is to Greece...
The monarchy is the ultimate soap opera and link to the past. You don't have to be a fan of the individuals or interested in tittle tattle (and I'm neither - with the exception of the queen, who is the ultimate professional imo and fully deserves the immense respect that she has here and around the world) to see the value to the country.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 9, 2021 11:31:05 GMT
The queen is clearly a lizard who feasts on the flesh of innocent care home children. But she’s very old so Andrew uses his penis to tenderise them first for her. This. It's as clear as day, I don't know why more people can't see it. |
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Post by flea79 on Mar 9, 2021 11:53:52 GMT
The queen is clearly a lizard who feasts on the flesh of innocent care home children. But she’s very old so Andrew uses his penis to tenderise them first for her. This. It's as clear as day, I don't know why more people can't see it. and from the ugly arguments that crop up here day to day to the utter ridiculous! oatcake at its finest long live the queen |
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Post by Goonie on Mar 9, 2021 14:32:12 GMT
I used to be a republican but have changed my view over the last 20 years.
Jordan Peterson's explanation of the role of the monarchy and our Constitution surprised me: the monarch is the most powerful person in the common wealth but only as long as she does not use that power. Should she do so then parliament has the power to remove them. It's a fabulous Catch 22 that allows them to rule just so long as they don't rule!
The problem with elected presidents is that it would drag our politics down deeper into the political more far quicker than it is already.
I would not want a republic on that basis.
Besides who really cares about the monarchy? I don't
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Post by unknown182 on Mar 9, 2021 14:40:17 GMT
I'm not overly fussed either way. But there is know doubt Buckingham Palace would make a cracking weatherspoons.
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 9, 2021 14:43:33 GMT
I used to be a republican but have changed my view over the last 20 years. Jordan Peterson's explanation of the role of the monarchy and our Constitution surprised me: the monarch is the most powerful person in the common wealth but only as long as she does not use that power. Should she do so then parliament has the power to remove them. It's a fabulous Catch 22 that allows them to rule just so long as they don't rule! The problem with elected presidents is that it would drag our politics down deeper into the political more far quicker than it is already. I would not want a republic on that basis. Besides who really cares about the monarchy? I don't Except that they do have a lot of influence and use that influence to protect their own private interests and pet issues. Look at how many of Charles' engagements are actually Duchy of Cornwall business. Look at his black spider memos. Look at the pressure that has been recently brought to amend legislation that might have affected tenants in properties owned by royals. It's not that their power isn't used; it's that it's not seen being used. |
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