4ndr3w
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 21, 2021 11:29:31 GMT
I’d say it was more down to Hughes He did brilliantly getting us to those high place finishes with some brilliant stuff on display to watch. But he completely lost the plot and it fucked us He left nearly 3.5 years ago. Rowett had a decent budget to get us back up but decided to spunk 10 million quid on Tom Ince, 12 million quid on Afobe, 7 million on Ryan Woods, 5 million on McClean, 6 million on Clucas along with Williams, and Martina on loan. Hughes did lose the plot and should have gone sooner but we've had the chances to recover and spunked it on shit managers and wank players. H Yeah agree with all of that.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Mar 21, 2021 11:56:27 GMT
You can say what you like about Hughes but he still produced the best football I ever have watched in 50 years supporting Stoke.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Mar 21, 2021 13:51:19 GMT
You can say what you like about Hughes but he still produced the best football I ever have watched in 50 years supporting Stoke. That takes us back to 1971 and the football we were playing in the early 70's was equally as good and indeed lasted longer (but not long enough even then). We should have won the League ,in 1975 wasn't it?
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Post by nott1 on Mar 22, 2021 14:42:15 GMT
You can say what you like about Hughes but he still produced the best football I ever have watched in 50 years supporting Stoke. That takes us back to 1971 and the football we were playing in the early 70's was equally as good and indeed lasted longer (but not long enough even then). We should have won the League ,in 1975 wasn't it? Our football in the 70's surpassed anything since!
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Post by nott1 on Mar 22, 2021 14:48:24 GMT
Quality or attitude? I saw Wolly put in some decent performances but as we’ve seen his heart wasn’t in football, weird circumstances and mighty fall from the lofty heights of the premier league! When Wollscheid retired from professional football in an interview he said....."The football business in general is simply wrong. One day you will be praised by everyone to the sky, the next you are not good enough anymore. I have never been able to endure these ups and downs." ......so he read the Oatcake then I am proud of the fact that I always said he was absolute crap!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 7, 2022 12:27:22 GMT
New job for the big man
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 7, 2022 14:20:08 GMT
Let’s not rewrite history, he was a great player for Stoke but letting him go was followed by our greatest team performances in recent times. Wollscheid was a decent replacement but god forbid a bloke run’s funny in Stoke. Are people seriously suggesting Stoke would win the league if he had stayed? This. Leicester had better players all over the pitch than us, not just Huth. Wolly was a far better centre back than he gets credit for. Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head.
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Post by flea79 on Oct 7, 2022 14:23:57 GMT
This. Leicester had better players all over the pitch than us, not just Huth. Wolly was a far better centre back than he gets credit for. Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 7, 2022 14:25:57 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Wow! Not sure you could keep that quiet.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 7, 2022 14:42:42 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it It's nonsense though isn't it? Heard a few people chatting that shit at the time because they couldn't fathom how else it was possible. If there was the merest whiff of it the authorities would've come down on them like a tonne of bricks, it would've suited the league much better for one of the big 'brands' to win it than an underdog.
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 7, 2022 14:57:36 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Disrespectful to Leicester. You don't win the PL title by cheating. Unless you're Arsenal, because I've heard a rumour that they're always cheating.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2022 15:01:07 GMT
They're all at it to a certain extent so it wouldn't be a massive surprise, unless you really do believe there's 20 odd asthmatics in the Liverpool squad.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Oct 7, 2022 15:42:13 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Shocking. I heard, off a good source, that they put drone-like technology into the matchballs so that every shot near but not quite at the goal ended up on target.
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Post by backintheday on Oct 7, 2022 16:13:36 GMT
Shocking. I heard, off a good source, that they put drone-like technology into the matchballs so that every shot near but not quite at the goal ended up on target. That being the case can we have some of them drones please
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Post by pretzel on Oct 7, 2022 16:29:49 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Keeping Huth fit.. keeping Vardy fit... keeping most of the players free from injury to achieve a consistent, stable team was key. It helped having one of the best sports science departments in the league and having a management team that trusted and worked with them. You can choose to believe it was something else like drugs but if you have time to read this article, I think it explains what else they had in their corner, as well as a big spoonful of good luck. Leicester City: The science behind their Premier League title
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 7, 2022 16:32:31 GMT
funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Disrespectful to Leicester. You don't win the PL title by cheating. Unless you're Arsenal, because I've heard a rumour that they're always cheating. Exactly this. There’s always a conspiracy about anyone’s success. It’s tiresome. Kante helped to mop up so much in their winning year. They didn’t concede a great deal, yet Vardy was on fire. Kante then went to Chelsea, who then won the league.
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 7, 2022 17:14:15 GMT
Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. funny you should mention Vardy going mental, heard some very disturbing rumours about that team and drugs testing, it was all kept quiet with a hastily organised injunction but i believe that team cheated its way too the title that year, relegation contenders in season 1, win the league season two then back to relegation contention after that! doesnt take a genius does it Lance Armstrong dislikes this post.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 7, 2022 17:20:44 GMT
This. Leicester had better players all over the pitch than us, not just Huth. Wolly was a far better centre back than he gets credit for. Plus it was a perfect storm for them. Very few injuries - keeping Huth fit for a season was a miracle, Vardy going mental and scoring every week, the usual suspects being terrible for a season and Spurs being Spursy. Well done to eicester but it was a freak. Wolly was capable of the sublime and the ridiculous. His performance in the Semi Final at Anfield was amazing, the Sunderland one was a disaster. Obviously some demons in his head. His performance alongside Muniesa at centre half against Liverpool should be remembered as one of the great central defensive performances of our history. They both played a level above themselves and rarely repeated it. The only way we were losing that night was on penalties... No surprise.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 7, 2022 17:23:40 GMT
They out-worked the opposition for 90+ stayed on the front foot and willed their way to wins. Their "role players" stepped up each match and did their jobs - they all "bought in" to the system. Instead of chopping/changing tactics/formations, they simply imposed their tactics on the league. They had great squad-health throughout the campaign and were mentally stronger than everyone else. And yes, Kante was as massive for them as Vardy. It was a redefinition of a "Dream" season and they deserved the outcome.
Love it when a team basically says "We see your tactics, but we're coming here to do what we do. Now give us our 3 points!"
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 7, 2022 19:01:56 GMT
Interviewed Huthy last week for the next issue. What a bloke!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 7, 2022 19:20:23 GMT
Interviewed Huthy last week for the next issue. What a bloke!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 7, 2022 19:22:57 GMT
Looking at the stats for their title winning season spells it all out. They played just 43 games in all competitions and no fewer than 12 players played 30 games or more. Compare this with Man City played 55 games, Man Utd played 60 games because they played in both Champions league and Europa League, Chelsea played 52, Arsenal played 53, Liverpool played 63 games. So it’s easy to see why they were at a great advantage with little or no fixture congestion and they had a great start and kept the momentum going and won the league easily by 10 points but won it with second lowest total this century of 81 points. Not taking anything away from their achievement as they were consistent all season and fully deserved it. I too heard all the conspiracy bollox regarding drugs a the time but it was exactly that, just bollox.
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Post by generationex on Oct 7, 2022 20:05:06 GMT
A king amongst men.
Unbelievable that his career high was after he was given away by Hughes.
Tells you everything you need to know about our decline since.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 8, 2022 5:31:05 GMT
Huth leaving coincided with the start of Shawcross's back problems. We never fully replaced those two, Wollscheid was ok so was Muniesa but nothing like the Shawx-Huth partnership. …..then came the Wimmer calamity and relegation.
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Post by nonameface on Oct 8, 2022 7:04:44 GMT
He's got a tough job if this is true
"Emile Heskey works as a technical coach for the Under-18s"
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Post by wuzza on Oct 8, 2022 7:24:18 GMT
Signing Huth was incredibly smart thinking by whoever was doing the hiring and firing at Leicester and indicative of the path they were on. It was also remarkably muddled thinking by Stoke and also indicative of the path we were on. He was clearly the sort of man you kept around a club as long as you possibly could. Someone like Wolly - who clearly had ability - would have benefited enormously from his presence.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 8, 2022 7:49:01 GMT
Signing Huth was incredibly smart thinking by whoever was doing the hiring and firing at Leicester and indicative of the path they were on. It was also remarkably muddled thinking by Stoke and also indicative of the path we were on. He was clearly the sort of man you kept around a club as long as you possibly could. Someone like Wolly - who clearly had ability - would have benefited enormously from his presence. He couldn’t stay fit and wasn’t really adapting to the change in style. Leicester’s style suited him better and he did brilliantly there. Sometimes a player doesn’t fit your system and thrives elsewhere. The path we were on was improving our league position and playing more enterprising stuff. The decline came years after he left and can’t really be blamed on him leaving.
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Post by werrington on Oct 8, 2022 7:54:44 GMT
Signing Huth was incredibly smart thinking by whoever was doing the hiring and firing at Leicester and indicative of the path they were on. It was also remarkably muddled thinking by Stoke and also indicative of the path we were on. He was clearly the sort of man you kept around a club as long as you possibly could. Someone like Wolly - who clearly had ability - would have benefited enormously from his presence. He couldn’t stay fit and wasn’t really adapting to the change in style. Leicester’s style suited him better and he did brilliantly there. Sometimes a player doesn’t fit your system and thrives elsewhere. The path we were on was improving our league position and playing more enterprising stuff. The decline came years after he left and can’t really be blamed on him leaving. The rewriting of history continues unabated on here His last game for us was v Wrexham in the FA cup and he was abysmal What people also forget whilst they are slaughtering Hughes was the hero they are lauding played him at right back to find a starting place for Woodgate
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Post by wuzza on Oct 8, 2022 9:03:12 GMT
Signing Huth was incredibly smart thinking by whoever was doing the hiring and firing at Leicester and indicative of the path they were on. It was also remarkably muddled thinking by Stoke and also indicative of the path we were on. He was clearly the sort of man you kept around a club as long as you possibly could. Someone like Wolly - who clearly had ability - would have benefited enormously from his presence. He couldn’t stay fit and wasn’t really adapting to the change in style. Leicester’s style suited him better and he did brilliantly there. Sometimes a player doesn’t fit your system and thrives elsewhere. The path we were on was improving our league position and playing more enterprising stuff. The decline came years after he left and can’t really be blamed on him leaving. Arguing it wouldn’t be better to have Huth in the building doesn’t do it for me. Any system that doesn’t need a strong centre back that imposes himself on the opposition is flawed in my book. The path I am referring to is a recruitment policy that after a few early ‘hits’ completely bombed and set us on the road to 5 years of torture.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 8, 2022 9:08:20 GMT
He couldn’t stay fit and wasn’t really adapting to the change in style. Leicester’s style suited him better and he did brilliantly there. Sometimes a player doesn’t fit your system and thrives elsewhere. The path we were on was improving our league position and playing more enterprising stuff. The decline came years after he left and can’t really be blamed on him leaving. Arguing it wouldn’t be better to have Huth in the building doesn’t do it for me. Any system that doesn’t need a strong centre back that imposes himself on the opposition is flawed in my book. The path I am referring to is a recruitment policy that after a few early ‘hits’ completely bombed and set us on the road to 5 years of torture. What do you mean by ‘in the building’ though? He wanted to play, he wasn’t playing well under Hughes, then he got injured. If it was so ‘flawed’ why did it achieve higher league placings than the one that replaced it? Huth leaving in and of itself was nothing to do with that path. The recruitment policy tanking absolutely was a huge problem ultimately but that’s unrelated to the Huth situation.
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