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Post by pretzel on Mar 2, 2021 8:52:46 GMT
Some of my beliefs fwiw
Yes he had a knee injury which lost him his guaranteed starting place, but I don't think that's the reason he played so few games that season. Once he had lost his place, he struggled to get his place back due to this idea that he wouldn't fit in to a team where the back four were comfortable, nay encouraged to pass it about amongst themselves. I believe that he and Hughes fell out about this, keeping him out of the side regardless of his fitness (as alluded to above) and Hughes became even more entrenched, until Huth wanted away. It's been reported that Hughes initially refused to let Huth move to another Premiership club, which strained relations even more, so it was perhaps unsurprising that when he did move, it was to a club that looked like being relegated... the rest is history.
I find it interesting that Huth is studying to become a sporting director, stating that he had been “sick of people telling me what to do” as a player.
I know that Stoke have become notorious for not employing foreign managers, so the notion of a German director of football is perhaps a bridge too far.
We can but dream?
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Post by a on Mar 2, 2021 9:36:10 GMT
Quality or attitude? I saw Wolly put in some decent performances but as we’ve seen his heart wasn’t in football, weird circumstances and mighty fall from the lofty heights of the premier league! When Wollscheid retired from professional football in an interview he said....."The football business in general is simply wrong. One day you will be praised by everyone to the sky, the next you are not good enough anymore. I have never been able to endure these ups and downs." ......so he read the Oatcake then Mentality issue then I’d argue. I don’t think he can be classed as a “shit” footballer due to a lack of ability because he’d shown he could do it. I think he just wasn’t mentally up to it which is a tragedy if true. But yea reading the oatcake experts won’t help 😂
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 2, 2021 9:43:24 GMT
A couple of points:
1. Just because we finished 9th with some mint football after Huth left doesn't mean we couldn't have finished higher with him still here.
2. Wollscheid was absolutely shit.
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 2, 2021 10:09:58 GMT
Let’s not rewrite history, he was a great player for Stoke but letting him go was followed by our greatest team performances in recent times. Wollscheid was a decent replacement but god forbid a bloke run’s funny in Stoke. Are people seriously suggesting Stoke would win the league if he had stayed? Wollscheid wasn't a patch on Huth
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 10:23:12 GMT
Surprising the rights and wrongs of Huths departure have never been discussed on here before really. I think they will continue to do so an appalling decision one of many sadly when Hughes was in charge.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 10:24:45 GMT
It was very strange with injuries/fitness being peddled as the reason and a lot of people bought it.
Crazy decision.
This could possibly be the worst consequence of fucking Brexit yet.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 10:27:17 GMT
Let’s not rewrite history, he was a great player for Stoke but letting him go was followed by our greatest team performances in recent times. Wollscheid was a decent replacement but god forbid a bloke run’s funny in Stoke. Are people seriously suggesting Stoke would win the league if he had stayed? Wollscheid wasn't a patch on Huth Allegedly he was preferred over Huth due to his passing ability, he couldn't pass water abysmal signing the beginning of the end for Hughes and our PL status.
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Post by enuntio on Mar 2, 2021 10:42:28 GMT
Huth is up there with our All Time Legends A fans favourite and he always gave 110%
And it was ridiculous that we didn't recall him from Leicester in January when Ryan's back injury was not getting any better. when Huth went south, so did Stoke
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 2, 2021 10:45:52 GMT
Surprising the rights and wrongs of Huths departure have never been discussed on here before really. I think they will continue to do so an appalling decision one of many sadly when Hughes was in charge. The annoyance isn't over Huth leaving though. The annoyance is over the huge success he had at Lester. If Lester's 2016 had been what we rationally expected (lower mid table) nobody would bat an eyelid about Rob going.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 2, 2021 10:59:00 GMT
Yep he then brought in Wolfy saying Huth was not good enough the start of our demise and their rise. That MUST be the worst decision any manager ever made in the history of football Huth for Wally!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 2, 2021 11:00:36 GMT
Yep he then brought in Wolfy saying Huth was not good enough the start of our demise and their rise. That MUST be the worst decision any manager ever made in the history of football Huth for Wally! Martin O'Neill swapped Mike Sheron for Keith Scott.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 2, 2021 11:02:05 GMT
That MUST be the worst decision any manager ever made in the history of football Huth for Wally! Martin O'Neill swapped Mike Sheron for Keith Scott. Yes but he didn't run like a big girls blouse!
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Post by NassauDave on Mar 2, 2021 11:40:46 GMT
Great player for us.
Rock solid and tough as nails.
Biggest surprise though is a German with such a great sense of humour.
Thanks for everything Robert, and good luck!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 11:48:46 GMT
I think they will continue to do so an appalling decision one of many sadly when Hughes was in charge. The annoyance isn't over Huth leaving though. The annoyance is over the huge success he had at Lester. If Lester's 2016 had been what we rationally expected (lower mid table) nobody would bat an eyelid about Rob going. It isn't annoyance it's anger that he was allowed to leave when he was blatantly fit enough to play then replace him with Wolfy jazz hands.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 2, 2021 11:57:17 GMT
A couple of points: 1. Just because we finished 9th with some mint football after Huth left doesn't mean we couldn't have finished higher with him still here. 2. Wollscheid was absolutely shit. It’s okay to reminisce but is this really about lamenting people for the sale of Robert Huth so we could have finished 8th or 7th? What exactly is the point in this exercise? He went to a team who had Schmeicel, Mahrez, Kante and one of the elite strikers on the continent of the past five years.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 2, 2021 11:58:53 GMT
Surprising the rights and wrongs of Huths departure have never been discussed on here before really. I think they will continue to do so an appalling decision one of many sadly when Hughes was in charge. Has anyone ever told you that you repeat yourself a lot?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 2, 2021 12:00:56 GMT
A couple of points: 1. Just because we finished 9th with some mint football after Huth left doesn't mean we couldn't have finished higher with him still here. 2. Wollscheid was absolutely shit. It’s okay to reminisce but is this really about lamenting people for the sale of Robert Huth so we could have finished 8th or 7th? What exactly is the point in this exercise? He went to a team who had Schmeicel, Mahrez, Kante and one of the elite strikers on the continent of the past five years. I'm not doing that. I'm responding to an earlier implication that Huth's sale was vindicated owing to our subsequent 9th place finish. There is no correlation between the two.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 12:01:53 GMT
A couple of points: 1. Just because we finished 9th with some mint football after Huth left doesn't mean we couldn't have finished higher with him still here. 2. Wollscheid was absolutely shit. It’s okay to reminisce but is this really about lamenting people for the sale of Robert Huth so we could have finished 8th or 7th? What exactly is the point in this exercise? He went to a team who had Schmeicel, Mahrez, Kante and one of the elite strikers on the continent of the past five years. A team who without him the season before on loan would have been relegated.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 12:02:48 GMT
I think they will continue to do so an appalling decision one of many sadly when Hughes was in charge. Has anyone ever told you that you repeat yourself a lot? Has anyone ever told you to butt out before ?
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Post by lordb on Mar 2, 2021 12:08:14 GMT
Hughes wanted to play higher up the pitch Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep , deeper than anyone else at the time,it was literally the best move he could have made
Had he stayed doubt he would have been rubbish or anything but would he have performed better than Wolscheid who, despite his funny walk & his games where he completely lost it, the stats prove was better than Huth for Stoke
Huth influence off the pitch was the far bigger loss
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 12:10:49 GMT
Hughes wanted to play higher up the pitch Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep , deeper than anyone else at the time,it was literally the best move he could have made Had he stayed doubt he would have been rubbish or anything but would he have performed better than Wolscheid who, despite his funny walk & his games where he completely lost it, the stats prove was better than Huth for Stoke Huth influence off the pitch was the far bigger loss Did you type that with a straight face?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2021 13:00:14 GMT
Hughes wanted to play higher up the pitch Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep , deeper than anyone else at the time,it was literally the best move he could have made Had he stayed doubt he would have been rubbish or anything but would he have performed better than Wolscheid who, despite his funny walk & his games where he completely lost it, the stats prove was better than Huth for Stoke Huth influence off the pitch was the far bigger loss Did you type that with a straight face? Still don't get the hatred for Wollscheid. He wasn't shite... far from it. Huth was better in his prime, but had looked right ropey under Hughes and Wolly had some very good games for us and formed part of a defence that went weeks without conceding at one point. I get it... he had an anger problem and a funny run, but people love to rewrite history. He and Muniesa put one of the best defensive performances in recent times for our club, the League Cup Semi away at Anfield that we won, yet lost on penalties. He was stunning that game. But nah, let's just say he was shit eh? He looked silly and wasn't Huth.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 2, 2021 13:01:21 GMT
The annoyance isn't over Huth leaving though. The annoyance is over the huge success he had at Lester. If Lester's 2016 had been what we rationally expected (lower mid table) nobody would bat an eyelid about Rob going. It isn't annoyance it's anger that he was allowed to leave when he was blatantly fit enough to play then replace him with Wolfy jazz hands. Would you be so angry if Lester had finished lower mid table?
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Post by lordb on Mar 2, 2021 13:02:55 GMT
Hughes wanted to play higher up the pitch Huth went to Leicester who defended very deep , deeper than anyone else at the time,it was literally the best move he could have made Had he stayed doubt he would have been rubbish or anything but would he have performed better than Wolscheid who, despite his funny walk & his games where he completely lost it, the stats prove was better than Huth for Stoke Huth influence off the pitch was the far bigger loss Did you type that with a straight face? absolutely which bit don't you agree with? presumably re Wollsheid? facts are we defended better with him in the side the main point was re Huth playing in a side that defended very deep
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 13:06:15 GMT
Did you type that with a straight face? Still don't get the hatred for Wollscheid. He wasn't shite... far from it. Huth was better in his prime, but had looked right ropey under Hughes and Wolly had some very good games for us and formed part of a defence that went weeks without conceding at one point. I get it... he had an anger problem and a funny run, but people love to rewrite history. He and Muniesa put one of the best defensive performances in recent times for our club, the League Cup Semi away at Anfield that we won, yet lost on penalties. He was stunning that game. But nah, let's just say he was shit eh? He looked silly and wasn't Huth. He was awful. I couldn't give a shit about his running other than him being super slow or him not being Huth. He was a calamatous defender with an awful attitude. He had a few good games but he also into the 10s of awful games making many mistakes. Rewriting history is not thinking he was utterly shite because that was the overwhelming thing at the time and rightfully so. His career since is about right for his talent level and attitude.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 2, 2021 13:08:05 GMT
It’s okay to reminisce but is this really about lamenting people for the sale of Robert Huth so we could have finished 8th or 7th? What exactly is the point in this exercise? He went to a team who had Schmeicel, Mahrez, Kante and one of the elite strikers on the continent of the past five years. I'm not doing that. I'm responding to an earlier implication that Huth's sale was vindicated owing to our subsequent 9th place finish. There is no correlation between the two. No I know you’re not but other people certainly are.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 2, 2021 13:11:00 GMT
It’s okay to reminisce but is this really about lamenting people for the sale of Robert Huth so we could have finished 8th or 7th? What exactly is the point in this exercise? He went to a team who had Schmeicel, Mahrez, Kante and one of the elite strikers on the continent of the past five years. A team who without him the season before on loan would have been relegated. Haha so are you saying that because they signed Robert Huth, they stayed up and then won the league? I’m sure you’re not seriously suggesting that but it’s definitely coming across that way.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 2, 2021 13:18:39 GMT
Still don't get the hatred for Wollscheid. He wasn't shite... far from it. Huth was better in his prime, but had looked right ropey under Hughes and Wolly had some very good games for us and formed part of a defence that went weeks without conceding at one point. I get it... he had an anger problem and a funny run, but people love to rewrite history. He and Muniesa put one of the best defensive performances in recent times for our club, the League Cup Semi away at Anfield that we won, yet lost on penalties. He was stunning that game. But nah, let's just say he was shit eh? He looked silly and wasn't Huth. He was awful. I couldn't give a shit about his running other than him being super slow or him not being Huth. He was a calamatous defender with an awful attitude. He had a few good games but he also into the 10s of awful games making many mistakes. Rewriting history is not thinking he was utterly shite because that was the overwhelming thing at the time and rightfully so. His career since is about right for his talent level and attitude. You are wrong. He played a season and a half for Stoke City football club, the half being his loan spell, the latter half arguably the best of the 3 seasons of 9th place. He then played the full season where we were a penalty kick away from a cup final and another top half finish, though performances were declining after that final. Played 2 more games after that season. Replaced by Martins Indi and we signed the midfield dynamo that scored that penalty kick to prevent us from Wembley. The rest they say is history.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 2, 2021 13:20:50 GMT
Did you type that with a straight face? Still don't get the hatred for Wollscheid. He wasn't shite... far from it. Huth was better in his prime, but had looked right ropey under Hughes and Wolly had some very good games for us and formed part of a defence that went weeks without conceding at one point. I get it... he had an anger problem and a funny run, but people love to rewrite history. He and Muniesa put one of the best defensive performances in recent times for our club, the League Cup Semi away at Anfield that we won, yet lost on penalties. He was stunning that game. But nah, let's just say he was shit eh? He looked silly and wasn't Huth. Each point you make is spot on.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2021 13:24:27 GMT
A team who without him the season before on loan would have been relegated. Haha so are you saying that because they signed Robert Huth, they stayed up and then won the league? I’m sure you’re not seriously suggesting that but it’s definitely coming across that way. I am saying he was a major factor in them staying up not sure if he has as much influence on them winning the title however he was selected for most of those games, fact is he went on to play for a team that against all odds stayed up then went on to win the PL title, Wolfy well ended up playing five a side in a German pub league.
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