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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 18, 2021 14:12:50 GMT
I'm definitely fearing the back 3 right through the Euros now - with Walker on the right of it alongside Maguire and Stones.
And I'm not sure that suits Shaw either
Can see something as stodgy as:
Walker Maguire Stones Trippier Rice Henderson Shaw Sterling Kane Rashford
Good grief.
The boldest we'll get is Mount or Bellingham in for one of Rice/Henderson.
And maybe Grealish in for Rashford
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Post by werrington on Mar 18, 2021 14:15:28 GMT
Where’s Sancho?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 18, 2021 14:16:31 GMT
Injured. Calf, I think. Out for 2-3 weeks
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 18, 2021 14:22:13 GMT
Sam Johnstone and Ollie Watkins both uncapped....... After the talk of Bamford, he's gone for Watkins. And no Alexander-Arnold - with the other 3 RBs chosen - which kind of indicates he'll be using Walker in a back 3 again? As does the selection of Coady, who wouldn't be an option in a 2, you'd think? Fairly uninspiring squad that. I'd rather see two of Wan Bissaka, Mason Holgate or Ben Godfrey in for Coady and Trippier but there's not many others available I suppose......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 18, 2021 14:24:46 GMT
I'm definitely fearing the back 3 right through the Euros now - with Walker on the right of it alongside Maguire and Stones. And I'm not sure that suits Shaw either Can see something as stodgy as: Walker Maguire Stones Trippier Rice Henderson Shaw Sterling Kane Rashford Good grief. The boldest we'll get is Mount or Bellingham in for one of Rice/Henderson. And maybe Grealish in for Rashford Holgate-Stones-Maguire would be a well balanced back three, if that's the route we're going down I'd rather see James and Sakho as wing backs though. I'd definitely go 4-2-3-1 with the players at our disposal......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2021 14:49:19 GMT
For how good a side we could put out, that 343 side above is so poor.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 18, 2021 14:52:42 GMT
For how good a side we could put out, that 343 side above is so poor. Yeah, unbelievably so! Been trying to work out a likely Euro 23 if he sticks with the back 3 and TAA remains out in the cold I think I'd go: Pickford Pope Henderson Trippier James Walker Stones Maguire Mings Shaw Chilwell Henderson Rice Bellingham Mount Kane DCL Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Saka Sancho ....but I can't see him leaving Dier out, so
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 18, 2021 14:56:51 GMT
After the talk of Bamford, he's gone for Watkins. And no Alexander-Arnold - with the other 3 RBs chosen - which kind of indicates he'll be using Walker in a back 3 again? As does the selection of Coady, who wouldn't be an option in a 2, you'd think? Fairly uninspiring squad that. I'd rather see two of Wan Bissaka, Mason Holgate or Ben Godfrey in for Coady and Trippier but there's not many others available I suppose...... I don't want Wan Bissaka anywhere near this team. As good as Shaw has been for Man Utd this season, Wan Bissaka has been average at best. A fit Matty Cash is next in line for me, he's been excellent this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 18, 2021 15:41:14 GMT
For how good a side we could put out, that 343 side above is so poor. Yeah, unbelievably so! Been trying to work out a likely Euro 23 if he sticks with the back 3 and TAA remains out in the cold I think I'd go: Pickford Pope Henderson Trippier James Walker Stones Maguire Mings Shaw Chilwell Henderson Rice Bellingham Mount Kane DCL Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Saka Sancho ....but I can't see him leaving Dier out, so Think he'd swap him in for for Bellignham wouldn't he?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 18, 2021 15:51:03 GMT
Yeah, unbelievably so! Been trying to work out a likely Euro 23 if he sticks with the back 3 and TAA remains out in the cold I think I'd go: Pickford Pope Henderson Trippier James Walker Stones Maguire Mings Shaw Chilwell Henderson Rice Bellingham Mount Kane DCL Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Saka Sancho ....but I can't see him leaving Dier out, so Think he'd swap him in for for Bellignham wouldn't he? Maybe - although I think another proper, rounded midfielder is potentially more necessary than taking Shaw and Chilwell to play LWB if you're taking Saka too? Just don't see Shaw as the best option there, which seems a waste of his return to form. If you play James and Saka there (instead of Trippier/Shaw), and play Foden or Grealish instead of Rashford, we look a different proposition. But Gareth will probably be cautious
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Post by yyy on Mar 18, 2021 19:08:47 GMT
I'd be pushed to name an England 11 atm, since Stoke were relegated I've not watched Premiership football and lost interest in England a long time ago
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 18, 2021 22:30:44 GMT
3 words Kyle fucking Walker 3 more words Eric fucking Dier I give up, what the hell does he see in those pair? Walker would give away a penalty against San Marino and I’ve seen milk turn quicker than Dier(oldy I know but a suitable description). And there’s no way Watkins gets in ahead of Bamford on form
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 22:51:06 GMT
After the talk of Bamford, he's gone for Watkins. And no Alexander-Arnold - with the other 3 RBs chosen - which kind of indicates he'll be using Walker in a back 3 again? As does the selection of Coady, who wouldn't be an option in a 2, you'd think? Fairly uninspiring squad that. I'd rather see two of Wan Bissaka, Mason Holgate or Ben Godfrey in for Coady and Trippier but there's not many others available I suppose...... Happy to see Watkins in though. What a career he is starting to have. Shame for Bamford, but I probably would have only dropped Rashford for him and that would be a very, very bold move. The keepers are not inspiring. I find it fascinating that we go through periods where we have a couple of very good (Hart and Butland when in form) keepers at the same time and then long spells of Robinson’s, James’ and now it’s Pope et al? I think Pope is decent, but he’s hardly a world class keeper.
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 19, 2021 7:39:19 GMT
3 words Kyle fucking Walker 3 more words Eric fucking Dier I give up, what the hell does he see in those pair? Walker would give away a penalty against San Marino and I’ve seen milk turn quicker than Dier(oldy I know but a suitable description). And there’s no way Watkins gets in ahead of Bamford on form Walker and Dier are Sothgates equivalent of Allen and Mikel
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 7:53:11 GMT
not a squad to worry the better teams in Europe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 15:22:16 GMT
We have this debate at work all the time, I think he will take Pope Henderson Pickford Wan Bisaka Trent Maguire Dier Stones Chilwell Trippier Foden Mount Grealish Henderson Rice Barnes or Maddison Sterling Sancho Rashford Kane Calvert-Lewin Bamford I think Kalvin Phillips and Saka will miss out Starting line up 4-3-3 (please not 3-4-3) Pope Wan bisaka Stones Maguire Trippier Henderson Grealish Foden Sterling Kane Rashford What a team that is Correction: it's 11 good individuals. But England's eternal problem is that they struggle to make a good team out of the 11 spare parts,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2021 15:35:26 GMT
How did they manage to get Belingham in the squad in the end re Covid/isolating?
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Post by lordb on Mar 19, 2021 17:28:28 GMT
not a squad to worry the better teams in Europe that's not what Europeans are saying, abroad England are seen as ,well, one of the better sides with France & Belgium being miles better than the next grouping which is where England are quality of traditional big hitters Spain,Germany & Italy is way below right now what we have seen in the past, I'd put England above all of those right now Croatia looking old now Holland buggered by no Van Dyke & lacking quality up top Portugal look decent no one is saying England are the best however if England can click they can beat any side on their day for sure equally with the lack of quality at the back any below par performance & an ordinary side can beat them
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 19, 2021 17:38:17 GMT
How did they manage to get Belingham in the squad in the end re Covid/isolating? They said he probably won't be allowed to join up with the squad, but included him anyway as they weren't 100% on what the rules will be.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 21, 2021 14:15:58 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 21, 2021 17:34:05 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 22, 2021 6:24:09 GMT
There's no way on earth we should be favourites. We've got the best attack, but the defence isn't great, neither are any of the keepers and there's no defensive midfielder anywhere near international quality. We'll win the group then go out in the round of 16 to whoever we play out of France, Germany or Portugal.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 22, 2021 6:52:54 GMT
There's no way on earth we should be favourites. We've got the best attack, but the defence isn't great, neither are any of the keepers and there's no defensive midfielder anywhere near international quality. We'll win the group then go out in the round of 16 to whoever we play out of France, Germany or Portugal. I was thinking the other day how we’re a bit like the European version of Argentina now aren’t we. That said, bar France maybe, I’m not sure any of the other sides look that strong on paper either.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 22, 2021 8:27:27 GMT
I could see Italy doing well at the Euros.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 22, 2021 8:36:06 GMT
I think we undersell our squad overall. Compare it to the likes to Belgium, who we hype and hype, but with Hazard‘s injury problems, is there a player besides De Bruyne in their squad who’s honestly miles better than what we have? Most of their players are decent enough but we wouldn’t rave about them if they were English.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2021 9:23:51 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/euro-2020-wallchart-predictor/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_knockout_phaseSo, the bookies have got it going: Last 16:Belgium v A 3rd place group finisher (Bilbao) Italy v Ukraine (Wembley) France v A 3rd place group finisher (Bucharest) Croatia v Poland (Copenhagen) Spain v A 3rd place group finisher (Glasgow) England v Germany (Dublin) Holland v A 3rd place group finisher (Budapest) Switzerland v Denmark (Amsterdam) QF:Belgium v Italy (Munich) France v Croatia (St Petersburg) Spain v England (Rome) Holland v Denmark (Baku) SF:Belgium v France (Wembley) England v Holland (Wembley) F:France v England (Wembley) We could easily go out to whoever finishes runners-up in F (France, Germany or Portugal) in the last 16 though, assuming we win our group. And then just as easily go out to Spain in the QF.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 22, 2021 9:43:31 GMT
Have we ever beaten a genuine top footballing nation in a knockout game outside of 1966?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2021 9:56:06 GMT
Have we ever beaten a genuine top footballing nation in a knockout game outside of 1966? Spain on penalties in 96? (but very luckily and they were as poor/underachieving as us at that time) But it's got to change at some point!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 22, 2021 9:58:38 GMT
Have we ever beaten a genuine top footballing nation in a knockout game outside of 1966? Spain on penalties in 96? (but very luckily and they were as poor/underachieving as us at that time) But it's got to change at some point! And they had at least one perfectly good goal ruled out! Does feel like it's now or never really though, in terms of actual talent I don't think there's many better.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2021 9:59:50 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/euro-2020-wallchart-predictor/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_knockout_phaseSo, the bookies have got it going: Last 16:Belgium v A 3rd place group finisher (Bilbao) Italy v Ukraine (Wembley) France v A 3rd place group finisher (Bucharest) Croatia v Poland (Copenhagen) Spain v A 3rd place group finisher (Glasgow) England v Germany (Dublin) Holland v A 3rd place group finisher (Budapest) Switzerland v Denmark (Amsterdam) QF:Belgium v Italy (Munich) France v Croatia (St Petersburg) Spain v England (Rome) Holland v Denmark (Baku) SF:Belgium v France (Wembley) England v Holland (Wembley) F:France v England (Wembley) We could easily go out to whoever finishes runners-up in F (France, Germany or Portugal) in the last 16 though, assuming we win our group. And then just as easily go out to Spain in the QF. Injuries will change the dynamics of the squad but if we go into the tournament with similar personnel to our current squad we've got no chance of winning it.....
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