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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 16:36:59 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/euro-2020-wallchart-predictor/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_knockout_phaseSo, the bookies have got it going: Last 16:Belgium v A 3rd place group finisher (Bilbao) Italy v Ukraine (Wembley) France v A 3rd place group finisher (Bucharest) Croatia v Poland (Copenhagen) Spain v A 3rd place group finisher (Glasgow) England v Germany (Dublin) Holland v A 3rd place group finisher (Budapest) Switzerland v Denmark (Amsterdam) QF:Belgium v Italy (Munich) France v Croatia (St Petersburg) Spain v England (Rome) Holland v Denmark (Baku) SF:Belgium v France (Wembley) England v Holland (Wembley) F:France v England (Wembley) We could easily go out to whoever finishes runners-up in F (France, Germany or Portugal) in the last 16 though, assuming we win our group. And then just as easily go out to Spain in the QF. The way the draw has worked is a horror for us to be perfectly honest. Say we get Portugal/Germany in R16, horrible R16 tie - we get knocked out, regardless of whether the Germans are in a bad state right now. I don't see us beating a top team away from Wembley. So, do you then tactically finish 2nd by somehow losing that first game against Croatia, who would also likely favour 2nd. Would Southgate possibly risk losing game 1 when you have Czech Republic (beat us in 2019) in that group? Emotions aside, we should comfortably beat the Joks, but again, anything can happen in a tournament. To win a tournament you always have to beat one of the best at some point, I think Englands best opportunity here is to win from the off and carry momentum. IF, in April, UEFA see the current situation in Europe and decide to bring it all here, our chances would look a whole lot healthier. As for the squad, the 343 you posted earlier is the stuff of nightmares, but I can absolutely see him going for it. I'd like to see - Pickford/Pope Walker - Maguire - Stones - Saka Hendo Maddison Sancho Foden Sterling Kane It then gives you good variety for changes dependent on game management. A bench where you can opt for Rice, Grealish, Bellingham, DCL, Rashford, Shaw, Trent, Tripper we have countless options etc etc. You cannot go into this playing a back 3, 2 wing backs and 2 holding midfielders - utterly tragic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2021 16:55:39 GMT
I could see Italy doing well at the Euros. Who have they got? I honestly would struggle past Donnaruma and say Buffon for a laugh
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2021 16:57:21 GMT
Yeah - I fear the worst. A back 3 with potentially wing-backs who'd be great in a back 4 (Shaw/Trippier), but don't offer massive amounts going forward plus Rice/Hendo in front of them.
That's a recipe for lots of frustration if it comes to pass - but you can see he's thinking negatively. Hopefully he shakes it off
Even if we finished 2nd in the group, we'd get the slightly easier last 16 game (maybe Poland?) - but then still get France or Germany in the quarters
So we may as well try and top the group and accept we'll have a very losable game in the last 16 I think it'd be a coin toss game against Germany or Portugal, but you would have to think France would probably beat us if it wasn't at Wembley.
If we can save any meeting with France for the final at Wembley, that's our best chance of beating them!
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2021 17:08:17 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/euro-2020-wallchart-predictor/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_knockout_phaseSo, the bookies have got it going: Last 16:Belgium v A 3rd place group finisher (Bilbao) Italy v Ukraine (Wembley) France v A 3rd place group finisher (Bucharest) Croatia v Poland (Copenhagen) Spain v A 3rd place group finisher (Glasgow) England v Germany (Dublin) Holland v A 3rd place group finisher (Budapest) Switzerland v Denmark (Amsterdam) QF:Belgium v Italy (Munich) France v Croatia (St Petersburg) Spain v England (Rome) Holland v Denmark (Baku) SF:Belgium v France (Wembley) England v Holland (Wembley) F:France v England (Wembley) We could easily go out to whoever finishes runners-up in F (France, Germany or Portugal) in the last 16 though, assuming we win our group. And then just as easily go out to Spain in the QF. The way the draw has worked is a horror for us to be perfectly honest. Say we get Portugal/Germany in R16, horrible R16 tie - we get knocked out, regardless of whether the Germans are in a bad state right now. I don't see us beating a top team away from Wembley. So, do you then tactically finish 2nd by somehow losing that first game against Croatia, who would also likely favour 2nd. Would Southgate possibly risk losing game 1 when you have Czech Republic (beat us in 2019) in that group? Emotions aside, we should comfortably beat the Joks, but again, anything can happen in a tournament. To win a tournament you always have to beat one of the best at some point, I think Englands best opportunity here is to win from the off and carry momentum. IF, in April, UEFA see the current situation in Europe and decide to bring it all here, our chances would look a whole lot healthier. As for the squad, the 343 you posted earlier is the stuff of nightmares, but I can absolutely see him going for it. I'd like to see - Pickford/Pope Walker - Maguire - Stones - Saka Hendo Maddison Sancho Foden Sterling Kane It then gives you good variety for changes dependent on game management. A bench where you can opt for Rice, Grealish, Bellingham, DCL, Rashford, Shaw, Trent, Tripper we have countless options etc etc. You cannot go into this playing a back 3, 2 wing backs and 2 holding midfielders - utterly tragic. more than happy to play the Germans right now, if we can't beat them we don't deserve anything, Portugal could be very tough indeed
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 22, 2021 17:29:48 GMT
I could see Italy doing well at the Euros. Who have they got? I honestly would struggle past Donnaruma and say Buffon for a laugh Not too many superstars but Mancini seems to have built them into more than the sum of their parts. Chiesa seems to be coming into his own. Verratti still knocking around. Barella at Inter having a good season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
Who have they got? I honestly would struggle past Donnaruma and say Buffon for a laugh Not too many superstars but Mancini seems to have built them into more than the sum of their parts. Chiesa seems to be coming into his own. Verratti still knocking around. Barella at Inter having a good season. Verratti is an excellent little player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 9:51:30 GMT
Not too many superstars but Mancini seems to have built them into more than the sum of their parts. Chiesa seems to be coming into his own. Verratti still knocking around. Barella at Inter having a good season. Verratti is an excellent little player. Chiesa even more so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 9:54:40 GMT
The way the draw has worked is a horror for us to be perfectly honest. Say we get Portugal/Germany in R16, horrible R16 tie - we get knocked out, regardless of whether the Germans are in a bad state right now. I don't see us beating a top team away from Wembley. So, do you then tactically finish 2nd by somehow losing that first game against Croatia, who would also likely favour 2nd. Would Southgate possibly risk losing game 1 when you have Czech Republic (beat us in 2019) in that group? Emotions aside, we should comfortably beat the Joks, but again, anything can happen in a tournament. To win a tournament you always have to beat one of the best at some point, I think Englands best opportunity here is to win from the off and carry momentum. IF, in April, UEFA see the current situation in Europe and decide to bring it all here, our chances would look a whole lot healthier. As for the squad, the 343 you posted earlier is the stuff of nightmares, but I can absolutely see him going for it. I'd like to see - Pickford/Pope Walker - Maguire - Stones - Saka Hendo Maddison Sancho Foden Sterling Kane It then gives you good variety for changes dependent on game management. A bench where you can opt for Rice, Grealish, Bellingham, DCL, Rashford, Shaw, Trent, Tripper we have countless options etc etc. You cannot go into this playing a back 3, 2 wing backs and 2 holding midfielders - utterly tragic. more than happy to play the Germans right now, if we can't beat them we don't deserve anything, Portugal could be very tough indeed We'd bottle it, 100% - 3 at the back and 2 holding midfielders, isolating our attackers and we'd lose 1-0. The only way to succeed this time around is to frighten the hell out of every defence in front of us. We can't rely on being solid at the back and winning 1-0/2-0 because we're weakest at the back. Teams with better defences will beat us. I just wish we had a man in charge who knew how to be brave and go at these teams.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2021 10:05:02 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 11:50:37 GMT
more than happy to play the Germans right now, if we can't beat them we don't deserve anything, Portugal could be very tough indeed We'd bottle it, 100% - 3 at the back and 2 holding midfielders, isolating our attackers and we'd lose 1-0. The only way to succeed this time around is to frighten the hell out of every defence in front of us. We can't rely on being solid at the back and winning 1-0/2-0 because we're weakest at the back. Teams with better defences will beat us. I just wish we had a man in charge who knew how to be brave and go at these teams. I suspect that's what will happen if/when we play the better sides i.e. France,Belgium however against sides who he perceives we are better than - & Germany are definitely one of those - I think he'll be more positive what his approach would be against good sides but not the very best e.g. Portugal will be telling
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 23, 2021 11:54:01 GMT
We'd bottle it, 100% - 3 at the back and 2 holding midfielders, isolating our attackers and we'd lose 1-0. The only way to succeed this time around is to frighten the hell out of every defence in front of us. We can't rely on being solid at the back and winning 1-0/2-0 because we're weakest at the back. Teams with better defences will beat us. I just wish we had a man in charge who knew how to be brave and go at these teams. I suspect that's what will happen if/when we play the better sides i.e. France,Belgium however against sides who he perceives we are better than - & Germany are definitely one of those - I think he'll be more positive what his approach would be against good sides but not the very best e.g. Portugal will be telling We are better than them but would he perceive us to be, or would he 'play the badge'?
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 13:41:21 GMT
I suspect that's what will happen if/when we play the better sides i.e. France,Belgium however against sides who he perceives we are better than - & Germany are definitely one of those - I think he'll be more positive what his approach would be against good sides but not the very best e.g. Portugal will be telling We are better than them but would he perceive us to be, or would he 'play the badge'? I think he'd have a go v Germany only one way to find out
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 23, 2021 13:49:23 GMT
We are better than them but would he perceive us to be, or would he 'play the badge'? I think he'd have a go v Germany only one way to find out Gareth worries me a bit to be honest. Lovely bloke, underrated player, not convinced about him as a manager.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 23, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
I think he'd have a go v Germany only one way to find out Gareth worries me a bit to be honest. Lovely bloke, underrated not convinced about him as a manager. I hope in 6 months time we aren't wishing he'd left the job after the 2018 world cup.
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Post by crowey on Mar 23, 2021 14:06:19 GMT
.... still think he’s the best man for the job (same as MON.) Not scared to bring the youngsters through, which is no mean feat at the national/ international level
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:29:13 GMT
We'd bottle it, 100% - 3 at the back and 2 holding midfielders, isolating our attackers and we'd lose 1-0. The only way to succeed this time around is to frighten the hell out of every defence in front of us. We can't rely on being solid at the back and winning 1-0/2-0 because we're weakest at the back. Teams with better defences will beat us. I just wish we had a man in charge who knew how to be brave and go at these teams. I suspect that's what will happen if/when we play the better sides i.e. France,Belgium however against sides who he perceives we are better than - & Germany are definitely one of those - I think he'll be more positive what his approach would be against good sides but not the very best e.g. Portugal will be telling We already know - defensive. He'll be scared of Germany/Portugal, probably even Croatia. Unless he's playing the bluff of the century & prepares to unleash hell, but I very much doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:29:57 GMT
Gareth worries me a bit to be honest. Lovely bloke, underrated not convinced about him as a manager. I hope in 6 months time we aren't wishing he'd left the job after the 2018 world cup. He should have, we didn't beat one decent team.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 17:28:15 GMT
I suspect that's what will happen if/when we play the better sides i.e. France,Belgium however against sides who he perceives we are better than - & Germany are definitely one of those - I think he'll be more positive what his approach would be against good sides but not the very best e.g. Portugal will be telling We already know - defensive. He'll be scared of Germany/Portugal, probably even Croatia. Unless he's playing the bluff of the century & prepares to unleash hell, but I very much doubt it. did you miss our last game v Croatia? brushed them aside at Wembley comfortably nah he's not that negative
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 23, 2021 17:37:12 GMT
We've never beaten a major nation in the knockout stages of a tournament unless the game has been at Wembley.
Not once. Not ever. I say it every tournament and it continues to be true.
If we can avoid any of the major nations to make our way to the semis this is our first genuine chance in 25 years.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 23, 2021 21:38:47 GMT
I hope in 6 months time we aren't wishing he'd left the job after the 2018 world cup. He should have, we didn't beat one decent team. England don't beat major powers in knockout stages. Not since 1966. Remember the England thing though. You can have a fantastic opposing team but when England beat them they get described as a 'pub team'.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 21:45:57 GMT
He should have, we didn't beat one decent team. England don't beat major powers in knockout stages. Not since 1966. Remember the England thing though. You can have a fantastic opposing team but when England beat them they get described as a 'pub team'. Colombia were everyone's dark horse for the last World Cup, we beat them and that's forgotten
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 23, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
Sancho. Don't get the hype, never seen him have a stand out game for England, but, for balance, never watched him for his club. We have better in my eyes. Am I alone thinking this?
Mount has come on in leaps and bounds this season, Foden and Grealish too. Three very good players who have the unpredictable about them if Southgate is brave enough to play all three.
Dier, has to go, waste of a squad place.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 23, 2021 22:34:27 GMT
England don't beat major powers in knockout stages. Not since 1966. Remember the England thing though. You can have a fantastic opposing team but when England beat them they get described as a 'pub team'. Colombia were everyone's dark horse for the last World Cup, we beat them and that's forgotten If Colombia had played football instead of being nasty spoilers they'd have beat us easy. In 2008 Croatia were brilliant at European Championship. They were a lot of people's favourites to lift the trophy. So soon after we played them in a qualifier in Zagreb. A draw would've been a decent result. We thrashed them 4-1. At that point Croatia were downgraded to pub team.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 23, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
Sancho. Don't get the hype, never seen him have a stand out game for England, but, for balance, never watched him for his club. We have better in my eyes. Am I alone thinking this? Mount has come on in leaps and bounds this season, Foden and Grealish too. Three very good players who have the unpredictable about them if Southgate is brave enough to play all three. Dier, has to go, waste of a squad place. Thing is it's the Sancho types who are often deemed to have failed at international level. The reality is different things are required for countries and it often means flair players can't express themselves as they do for their clubs.
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2021 8:15:57 GMT
Sancho. Don't get the hype, never seen him have a stand out game for England, but, for balance, never watched him for his club. We have better in my eyes. Am I alone thinking this? Mount has come on in leaps and bounds this season, Foden and Grealish too. Three very good players who have the unpredictable about them if Southgate is brave enough to play all three. Dier, has to go, waste of a squad place. Sancho has been simply brilliant for Dortmund but yes not great for England
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 24, 2021 8:54:00 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 24, 2021 9:12:22 GMT
My 4-3-3 at the Euros would be
Pope Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Mount Henderson Rashford Kane Foden
Rashford is the only one I'm unsure about. He's carrying an injury and isn't consistent at all but I think his style suits Kane and the way he likes to play by dropping deep and picking out runners, like with Son at Spurs. Sterling is out of form and Sancho hasn't done it for England as far as I'm concerned. As for Grealish, he's great but doesn't start for me in that position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:03:49 GMT
We already know - defensive. He'll be scared of Germany/Portugal, probably even Croatia. Unless he's playing the bluff of the century & prepares to unleash hell, but I very much doubt it. did you miss our last game v Croatia? brushed them aside at Wembley comfortably nah he's not that negative Nope, I was there. As in Prague when we were utter crap & we were deservedly beat. He is that negative. The best performance I've seen was Spain away when we were lethal. 3-0 up at HT, then he sat back from the 45 minute and we very nearly threw it away... This team is superb, when we're brave and we attack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:07:56 GMT
He should have, we didn't beat one decent team. England don't beat major powers in knockout stages. Not since 1966. Remember the England thing though. You can have a fantastic opposing team but when England beat them they get described as a 'pub team'. Had we not come 2nd in 2018 we'd have been out in the R16, easily. The only decent teams we played, we lost against. We didn't even beat Colombia, it was penalties. We had the chance to kill the Croatia game off, we were too negative, allowed them to come right back into it, only our own failings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 11:09:25 GMT
We've never beaten a major nation in the knockout stages of a tournament unless the game has been at Wembley. Not once. Not ever. I say it every tournament and it continues to be true. If we can avoid any of the major nations to make our way to the semis this is our first genuine chance in 25 years. No possible way that any major nation can be avoided before the semis - just the way the draw has worked. This is my gripe, why should we have to try and avoid these teams - we have the potential to scare any teams in front of us, but Gareth has the chains on.
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