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Post by thfc67 on Mar 8, 2021 21:06:38 GMT
I backed Holland to win it in 1974. They were 8/1. It was my first World Cup bet. Gutted they didn't win; but I enjoyed the ride. One of the best teams I've seen play the game. 8-1, well I am surprised, l'd have assumed they'd have been about sixth or seventh favourites (and therefore much longer odds). But l tip my hat to your ability to remember a wager's odds from 46 years ago !!! I can't remember the overall betting, but the Dutch were strongly fancied. The early 1970's was a golden period for Dutch football. The European Cup was won by Feyenoord in 1970, followed by Ajax in 1971, 72 and 73. The Netherlands team of 74 was mainly a mixture of players from those two clubs. Regarding the bet, I remember it because it was my first World Cup (maybe football) bet - £1.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 8, 2021 21:06:44 GMT
Who does he play in front of though? KDB is undroppable, Gundogan in the form of his life. Mahrez, Jesus or Gundogan. No justification.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 21:09:42 GMT
Mahrez, Jesus or Gundogan. No justification. He’s been about their best player this season, only De Bruyne is better in general. Jesus has been useless and Foden as a false 9 over him makes way more sense. Gundogan was good for those 5 games agreed then I put him in my FPL side and he’s been shit. He’s miles better than Mahrez.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 8, 2021 21:51:29 GMT
Jesse Lingard is playing his way into contention for the squad...
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 8, 2021 22:54:49 GMT
He’s been about their best player this season, only De Bruyne is better in general. Jesus has been useless and Foden as a false 9 over him makes way more sense. Gundogan was good for those 5 games agreed then I put him in my FPL side and he’s been shit. He’s miles better than Mahrez. I mean, all of that is barking mad. You can’t possibly think you’re idea ‘makes way more sense’ the greatest coach of all time. And your FPL comment, wow.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 9, 2021 3:42:17 GMT
You'd hope we would reach the semi's at least. Hope is the word. The way the draw panned out semi-finals would be a big achievement.
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Post by stokedan on Mar 9, 2021 8:41:09 GMT
Foden has played the same amount of games for City this season that Haaland has for Dortmund.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 9:16:31 GMT
Looks like Bellingham will be close. If he misses out, not many occasions we've left out 17yos who starred in Champ League knock-out ties?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 10, 2021 10:02:13 GMT
Looks like Bellingham will be close. If he misses out, not many occasions we've left out 17yos who starred in Champ League knock-out ties? Seen very little of him, can he play in a 4-2-3-1 as one of the 2 or is he more of an attacking midfielder/number 10?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2021 10:08:20 GMT
Looks like Bellingham will be close. If he misses out, not many occasions we've left out 17yos who starred in Champ League knock-out ties? Seen very little of him, can he play in a 4-2-3-1 as one of the 2 or is he more of an attacking midfielder/number 10? He's an all action box to boxer really. Last night he worked his bollocks off, got up and down, defended well, linked the play up front, passed it nicely etc. It was a very mature display.
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 10, 2021 10:15:05 GMT
Best player on the pitch lastnight , playing most games for Dortmund now , should be starting for England
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 10:31:52 GMT
Take five forwards. Five. FIVE.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2021 10:35:14 GMT
Take five forwards. Five. FIVE. 5 Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 10, 2021 10:44:34 GMT
Take five forwards. Five. FIVE. 5 Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute. Plus you've got Foden who can play as a false 9.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 10:46:47 GMT
Take five forwards. Five. FIVE. 5 Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute. Forwards. Strikers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2021 10:59:18 GMT
Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute. Plus you've got Foden who can play as a false 9. Rashford too.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2021 11:06:23 GMT
Looks like we are making the same mistake of over estimating our chances in a major competition. I’d agree that we seem to be producing slightly more technical players recently, but our defensive options are awful.
We will get through the group stages and lose to the first quality side we meet in the knockout stages as per usual. Does anyone really think we could beat France or Spain in a Euro quarter final for example?
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2021 11:17:48 GMT
Take five forwards. Five. FIVE. Rashford fits both wide and centrally Wouldn't take any more central strikers than that 5 Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 11:17:53 GMT
Do you mean strikers or include like Sterling in that who will play across the front? Because if it's the later we need 6 surely? If it's the former, I think it's a waste and the only out and out strikers I'd take are Kane and DCL at the minute. Forwards. Strikers. Have we got 5 No.9s though? I think the call for 5 strikers often made sense when we played 4-4-2. But you'd think it'll be Kane - and Calvert-Lewin as a maybe in terms of out-and-out strikers. And Rashford will be there as another option. Doubt he'll take someone who'd be on the periphery, like Abraham, Bamford, Ings or Watkins, in place of another midfield option I think if we play 4-2-3-1 or if he sticks with 3-4-3 - given we'll only be playing with one central striker, that's enough. The only way he'd ever take Kane off is injury.
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2021 11:20:36 GMT
Looks like we are making the same mistake of over estimating our chances in a major competition. I’d agree that we seem to be producing slightly more technical players recently, but our defensive options are awful. We will get through the group stages and lose to the first quality side we meet in the knockout stages as per usual. Does anyone really think we could beat France or Spain in a Euro quarter final for example? France would be very tough Would fancy our chances v Spain for sure, would put them down the list these days Germany also not great, Italy not amazing either Belgium,Grant clear favourites After that maybe Portugal if their key players are fit England behind that
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2021 11:22:50 GMT
Looks like we are making the same mistake of over estimating our chances in a major competition. I’d agree that we seem to be producing slightly more technical players recently, but our defensive options are awful. We will get through the group stages and lose to the first quality side we meet in the knockout stages as per usual. Does anyone really think we could beat France or Spain in a Euro quarter final for example? France would be very tough Would fancy our chances v Spain for sure, would put them down the list these days Germany also not great, Italy not amazing either Belgium,Grant clear favourites After that maybe Portugal if their key players are fit England behind that Holland have been in great form since they failed to qualify for the last World Cup. They are my tip to win the competition on the assumption that they don’t self implode.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 11:25:04 GMT
I was listening to a podcast with European journos on like Raphael Honigstein and Julien Laurens - and they all thought England would have a real chance
But they all thought France were massive, overwhelming favourites.
So if we do have to play them early, we'd be in trouble.
But if they win their group, it'd probably be Germany or Portugal in the last 16 for England
The journos were reasonably dismissive of both of them (and Holland under de Boer, who they didn't rate at all) - and had England as a bigger threat
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 11:26:06 GMT
Looks like we are making the same mistake of over estimating our chances in a major competition. I’d agree that we seem to be producing slightly more technical players recently, but our defensive options are awful. We will get through the group stages and lose to the first quality side we meet in the knockout stages as per usual. Does anyone really think we could beat France or Spain in a Euro quarter final for example? France would be very tough Would fancy our chances v Spain for sure, would put them down the list these days Germany also not great, Italy not amazing either Belgium,Grant clear favourites After that maybe Portugal if their key players are fit England behind that To do well in a tournament England need the luck of the draw. And our group is manageable (but not the foregone conclusion some expct) but the knockouts wil be a real test. When will we get the announcement over what format and locations it'll all take?
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 11:27:55 GMT
I was listening to a podcast with European journos on like Raphael Honigstein and Julien Laurens - and they all thought England would have a real chance But they all thought France were massive, overwhelming favourites. So if we do have to play them early, we'd be in trouble. But if they win their group, it'd probably be Germany or Portugal in the last 16. The journos were reasonably dismissive of both of them (and Holland under de Boer, who they didn't rate at all) - and had England as a bigger threat Football cliche number 21,654... never write off the Germans.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2021 11:28:05 GMT
Have we got 5 No.9s though? I think the call for 5 strikers often made sense when we played 4-4-2. But you'd think it'll be Kane - and Calvert-Lewin as a maybe in terms of out-and-out strikers. And Rashford will be there as another option. Doubt he'll take someone who'd be on the periphery, like Abraham, Bamford, Ings or Watkins, in place of another midfield option I think if we play 4-2-3-1 or if he sticks with 3-4-3 - given we'll only be playing with one central striker, that's enough. The only way he'd ever take Kane off is injury. I think Kane, DCL, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden and Grealish would be enough tbh.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 11:30:38 GMT
loew is going leave after this. Would Klopp want it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 11:36:51 GMT
Have we got 5 No.9s though? I think the call for 5 strikers often made sense when we played 4-4-2. But you'd think it'll be Kane - and Calvert-Lewin as a maybe in terms of out-and-out strikers. And Rashford will be there as another option. Doubt he'll take someone who'd be on the periphery, like Abraham, Bamford, Ings or Watkins, in place of another midfield option I think if we play 4-2-3-1 or if he sticks with 3-4-3 - given we'll only be playing with one central striker, that's enough. The only way he'd ever take Kane off is injury. I think Kane, DCL, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden and Grealish would be enough tbh. It's very hard this time. It's normally a struggle to fill it with decent players - but genuinely decent players will be left out this time for this first time in ages! I wouldn't mind this - with Rice and Walker able to fill in, in a possible 3-man defence. Bit of overkill with wing-backs, but Saka and Walker can slot in elsewhere. Not sure I'd take Trippier - but I think he will. Pickford Pope Henderson TAA Trippier Walker Shaw Chilwell Saka Maguire Stones Mings Henderson Rice Bellingham Sterling Rashford Grealish Mount Foden Sancho Kane DCL I've probably forgotten someone obvious! (and I think he'll find a place for Dier too)
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 11:46:06 GMT
loew is going leave after this. Would Klopp want it? Seems to have let it be known he's not interested.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2021 11:56:56 GMT
loew is going leave after this. Would Klopp want it? Seems to have let it be known he's not interested. OK cheers. Tuchel?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2021 12:01:45 GMT
Seems to have let it be known he's not interested. OK cheers. Tuchel? Kuntz is the favourite apparently! m.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/22437206Stefan Kuntz 11/4 Jurgen Klopp 5/1 Jurgen Klinsmann 6/1 Arsene Wenger 7/1 Julian Nagelsmann 8/1 Ralf Rangnick 8/1 Hansi Flick 10/1 Marcus Sorg 14/1 Niko Kovac 14/1 Lothar Matthaus 16/1 Zinedine Zidane 16/1 Domenico Tedesco 20/1 Florian Kohfeldt 20/1 Jupp Heynckes 20/1 Thomas Tuchel 20/1 David Wagner 25/1
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