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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2021 13:11:09 GMT
You'd hope we would reach the semi's at least. We'll have to see what they do with the venues - can see them condensing it down - but the route through to the semis does look tough. Still every chance of a last 16/QF exit. If win the group, we'd have the runners-up in the Germany, France, Portugal group in the last 16 in Dublin. (oh...and if we win that, it's probably Spain in the Quarters in Rome! ) If we finish runners-up, we'd face the runners-up in the Spain, Poland, Sweden group - so Poland maybe - in Copenhagen. Then have to play the winners of the France/Germany group in the QF in St Petersburg So we'll have to beat a real heavyweight to make it to the last 4 at Wembley! not sure Germany will make it as far as the quarters
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2021 13:12:56 GMT
If you're one of the eight top seeds (which l think England currently are), in theory, you shouldn't play a side 'better' than you until the quarter finals. I'd agree with you that there are perhaps easier games up until the final eight in the world cup than there is in the Euros. But if you're a serious contender to win the thing, then any tournament that includes Argentina and Brazil has to be harder to win than the best that Europe can offer on its own? The last World Cup and our route through suggests otherwise
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Post by mattyd2 on Mar 1, 2021 13:13:00 GMT
DILLIGAF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 13:26:23 GMT
The bookies having us as favourites will no doubt also be influenced by the talk of the tournament coming here. From what I've heard in the FA they are very hopeful after prelim talks with UEFA.
A home tournament with very few, if any travelling fans - you have to expect us to win it.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 1, 2021 19:32:30 GMT
Nah. The odds reflect the fact that a lot of people have put money on England. Not many would have put money on Holland in '74, for example. Not entirely, of course, but the bookies have to cover themselves.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Mar 2, 2021 22:10:29 GMT
No Foden again for last 2 games. What is Peps actual plan with him?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 22:16:07 GMT
No Foden again for last 2 games. What is Peps actual plan with him? You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Mar 2, 2021 22:31:53 GMT
No Foden again for last 2 games. What is Peps actual plan with him? You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Why cant you question him? 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 2, 2021 22:33:48 GMT
You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Why cant you question him? 😂 It was on a thread on here where I was questioning his handling of Foden and got told I couldn’t 😂😂
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 2, 2021 22:40:08 GMT
No one. Tournament should be postponed or abandoned tbh
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 3, 2021 3:18:12 GMT
You'd hope we would reach the semi's at least. We'll have to see what they do with the venues - can see them condensing it down - but the route through to the semis does look tough. Still every chance of a last 16/QF exit. If win the group, we'd have the runners-up in the Germany, France, Portugal group in the last 16 in Dublin. (oh...and if we win that, it's probably Spain in the Quarters in Rome! ) If we finish runners-up, we'd face the runners-up in the Spain, Poland, Sweden group - so Poland maybe - in Copenhagen. Then have to play the winners of the France/Germany group in the QF in St Petersburg So we'll have to beat a real heavyweight to make it to the last 4 at Wembley! We'll get through the group and that'll be it for us.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2021 12:09:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 12:30:53 GMT
Annoying but not the end of the world.
Henderson should be phased out anyway.
And we've got plenty of cover for Sancho and Grealish.
Didn't even realise Barnes was a thing for England.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 8, 2021 12:41:42 GMT
No Foden again for last 2 games. What is Peps actual plan with him? You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Phil is getting significantly more minutes than most other England legends when they were at his age. He's played twice as many games as Gerrard had at this age and scored plenty more goals too. Don't forget the benefits of training with players like De Bruyne (and Silva before) a d being coached by one the world's best. Guardiola's treatment of Phil has been fine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 13:00:55 GMT
You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Phil is getting significantly more minutes than most other England legends when they were at his age. He's played twice as many games as Gerrard had at this age and scored plenty more goals too. Don't forget the benefits of training with players like De Bruyne (and Silva before) a d being coached by one the world's best. Guardiola's treatment of Phil has been fine. Football has moved massively since really and more players are breaking through younger and faster. Foden will be a better player than Gerrard too but he was always was.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 8, 2021 13:05:18 GMT
Phil is getting significantly more minutes than most other England legends when they were at his age. He's played twice as many games as Gerrard had at this age and scored plenty more goals too. Don't forget the benefits of training with players like De Bruyne (and Silva before) a d being coached by one the world's best. Guardiola's treatment of Phil has been fine. Football has moved massively since really and more players are breaking through younger and faster. Foden will be a better player than Gerrard too but he was always was. Agree. And part of that is how Guardiola has managed his breakthrough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 13:07:23 GMT
Football has moved massively since really and more players are breaking through younger and faster. Foden will be a better player than Gerrard too but he was always was. Agree. And part of that is how Guardiola has managed his breakthrough. I disagree sorry. He was always this good and was always going to be this good. He needs more games ASAP.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 8, 2021 13:12:36 GMT
Agree. And part of that is how Guardiola has managed his breakthrough. I disagree sorry. He was always this good and was always going to be this good. He needs more games ASAP. Disagree. There's various reasons. One underrated one is the issue of burnout. Mick Owen says he played far too much too young. You can't blame Mick because those things don't occur to you at that age. Compare that to how Ferguson slowly blooded the shit players and how long and fruitful some of those careers were. And Foden not being rushed won't diminish his talent because he's in a positive football environment.
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 8, 2021 18:32:12 GMT
Bayern even knows more about the development of Man City's players than Pep Guardiola now.
The man really is a genius.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 8, 2021 18:37:04 GMT
No Foden again for last 2 games. What is Peps actual plan with him? You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Who does he play in front of though? KDB is undroppable, Gundogan in the form of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 18:52:37 GMT
Henderson
Trippier Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Mount
Sterling Foden Grealish
Kane
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 18:59:24 GMT
We are going to take some stopping, if harry Kane hits top form
Theoretically slightly lacking the pace and acceleration of an absolute top class striker , in practice he's so good none of this seems to matter.
If we play to his strengths , he could win the tournament for us.
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Post by thfc67 on Mar 8, 2021 19:00:38 GMT
Nah. The odds reflect the fact that a lot of people have put money on England. Not many would have put money on Holland in '74, for example. Not entirely, of course, but the bookies have to cover themselves. I backed Holland to win it in 1974. They were 8/1. It was my first World Cup bet. Gutted they didn't win; but I enjoyed the ride. One of the best teams I've seen play the game.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 8, 2021 19:20:00 GMT
If he stubbornly sticks to his stuttering 3-4-3 formation - a lot of the creative talent will be on the bench.
We'll see if he's had a change of heart over the winter.
He could even go with something as stodgy as:
Pickford Stones-Maguire-Mings Trippier-Henderson-Rice-Shaw Sterling-Kane-Rashford
There's obviously lots of talent in there, but people won't be particularly happy with that, with Grealish, Foden, Mount, Maddison (who may not even make the squad?) not on the pitch.
He has got a history of playing both Henderson and Rice- and he loves Trippier.
And would he play Grealish ahead of Rashford? He's started pretty much every game along with the other 2.
If he is going to play a back 3, he'll probably take Walker in the squad too - so interesting to see where Alex-Arnold fits in.
And can he take all 3 of Shaw, Chilwell and Saka (at least Saka can offer something elsewhere, but would he get on the pitch ahead of a Foden, Grealish, Sancho?
Can't see him taking many out-and-out strikers. Maybe just Kane, with DCL the only one really pushing.
If he switches to a back 4, things could open up, especially if he's bold enough to play Mount centrally alongside just one of Henderson/Rice?
He'll have to show his hand in the games this month, so we'll soon find out what he's thinking
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Post by lordb on Mar 8, 2021 19:22:11 GMT
If he stubbornly sticks to his stuttering 3-4-3 formation - a lot of the creative talent will be on the bench. We'll see if he's had a change of heart over the winter. He could even go with something as stodgy as: Pickford Stones-Maguire-Mings Trippier-Henderson-Rice-Shaw Sterling-Kane-Rashford There's obviously lots of talent in there, but people won't be particularly happy with that, with Grealish, Foden, Mount, Maddison (who may not even make the squad?) not on the pitch. He has got a history of playing both Henderson and Rice- and he loves Trippier. And would he play Grealish ahead of Rashford? He's started pretty much every game along with the other 2. If he is going to play a back 3, he'll probably take Walker in the squad too - so interesting to see where Alex-Arnold fits in. And can he take all 3 of Shaw, Chilwell and Saka (at least Saka can offer something elsewhere, but would he get on the pitch ahead of a Foden, Grealish, Sancho? Can't see him taking many out-and-out strikers. Maybe just Kane, with DCL the only one really pushing. If he switches to a back 4, things could open up, especially if he's bold enough to play Mount centrally alongside just one of Henderson/Rice? He'll have to show his hand in the games this month, so we'll soon find out what he's thinking He has to go 4 at the back, all the talent is at the other end
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 8, 2021 19:35:01 GMT
If he stubbornly sticks to his stuttering 3-4-3 formation - a lot of the creative talent will be on the bench. We'll see if he's had a change of heart over the winter. He could even go with something as stodgy as: Pickford Stones-Maguire-Mings Trippier-Henderson-Rice-Shaw Sterling-Kane-Rashford There's obviously lots of talent in there, but people won't be particularly happy with that, with Grealish, Foden, Mount, Maddison (who may not even make the squad?) not on the pitch. He has got a history of playing both Henderson and Rice- and he loves Trippier. And would he play Grealish ahead of Rashford? He's started pretty much every game along with the other 2. If he is going to play a back 3, he'll probably take Walker in the squad too - so interesting to see where Alex-Arnold fits in. And can he take all 3 of Shaw, Chilwell and Saka (at least Saka can offer something elsewhere, but would he get on the pitch ahead of a Foden, Grealish, Sancho? Can't see him taking many out-and-out strikers. Maybe just Kane, with DCL the only one really pushing. If he switches to a back 4, things could open up, especially if he's bold enough to play Mount centrally alongside just one of Henderson/Rice? He'll have to show his hand in the games this month, so we'll soon find out what he's thinking He has to go 4 at the back, all the talent is at the other end Hope so! But he still went with the back 3 in all three games last November, despite us looking shite (apart from against 10-man Iceland, where he tweaked it to a kind of 3-4-2-1 - with Foden and Grealish playing behind Kane) But neither Rashford or Sterling were available then. He was briefing to the press last autumn he was going to stick with the back three for the Euros, but things can change..hopefully! www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/10/09/gareth-southgate-stick-englands-three-at-the-back-formation/England will continue playing with a three-man defence and are planning to use the system at the European Championships....
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2021 19:35:03 GMT
Pope Henderson Pickford Trippier TAA Maguire Stones Keane Godfrey Shaw Chillwell
Rice Phillips Henderson
Foden Mount Grealish
Sterling Sancho Rashford Kane DCL
Pope Trippier Maguire Stones Shaw Rice Mount Foden Sterling Kane Grealish
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 8, 2021 19:46:11 GMT
Nah. The odds reflect the fact that a lot of people have put money on England. Not many would have put money on Holland in '74, for example. Not entirely, of course, but the bookies have to cover themselves. I backed Holland to win it in 1974. They were 8/1. It was my first World Cup bet. Gutted they didn't win; but I enjoyed the ride. One of the best teams I've seen play the game. 8-1, well I am surprised, l'd have assumed they'd have been about sixth or seventh favourites (and therefore much longer odds). But l tip my hat to your ability to remember a wager's odds from 46 years ago !!!
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Post by gawa on Mar 8, 2021 20:37:00 GMT
If Jesse lingard keeps up this form he may well be in with a shout for a last minute inclusion.
To be fair to him he has always played well for England in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 20:39:45 GMT
You can’t question him. But it’s bullshit 😂 He’s not playing as much as he should be by any stretch. Who does he play in front of though? KDB is undroppable, Gundogan in the form of his life. Mahrez, Jesus or Gundogan.
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