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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 1, 2021 18:38:41 GMT
He says he's preparing as if he'll be without Henderson and Maguire and if they play, "that's a bonus" This has got back three written all over it. Can’t understand the hype in Henderson think he’s gash myself I don’t think the word hype can be associated with Henderson
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 1, 2021 18:44:16 GMT
Hoping he at least gives Bellingham a start in one of the friendlies alongside Rice.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2021 18:46:10 GMT
Guess the Lingard thing is to give those who played in the two Euro finals a small break? In terms of the overall squad, I think he’s chosen well. You just can’t leave a player as talented as Trent Alexander-Arnold at home even with the other right back options. You can.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2021 18:47:27 GMT
Hoping he at least gives Bellingham a start in one of the friendlies alongside Rice. It’s the best midfield 2 we have for the big games.
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Post by musik on Jun 1, 2021 18:58:09 GMT
Zlatan won't make it after all due to the knee injury, but Sweden have a lot of other interesting attacking names: Forsberg (Leipzig), Isak (Real Sociedad), Quaison (Mainz), Larsson (Spartak Moscow).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 1, 2021 19:17:38 GMT
Lingard apparently playing in tomorrow's friendly. That...can't be right surely?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2021 19:22:56 GMT
Lingard apparently playing in tomorrow's friendly. That...can't be right surely? Seems stupid. But they are down, numbers-wise, aren't they? Henderson not fit enough to start, and Sancho ill. And no Sterling, Rashford, Foden or Mount. So he's only really got Saka and Grealish for those floaty, Lingardy positions. And he won't want to overplay players.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 1, 2021 19:45:48 GMT
Zlatan won't make it after all due to the knee injury, but Sweden have a lot of other interesting attacking names: Forsberg (Leipzig), Isak (Real Sociedad), Quaison (Mainz), Larsson (Spartak Moscow). Fancy the swedes to put a few noses out of joint actually along with my team Denmark!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 1, 2021 19:51:16 GMT
Lingard apparently playing in tomorrow's friendly. That...can't be right surely? Seems stupid. But they are down, numbers-wise, aren't they? Henderson not fit enough to start, and Sancho ill. And no Sterling, Rashford, Foden or Mount. So he's only really got Saka and Grealish for those floaty, Lingardy positions. And he won't want to overplay players. I think he has to play options actually within his tournament squad though, surely?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2021 19:56:26 GMT
Seems stupid. But they are down, numbers-wise, aren't they? Henderson not fit enough to start, and Sancho ill. And no Sterling, Rashford, Foden or Mount. So he's only really got Saka and Grealish for those floaty, Lingardy positions. And he won't want to overplay players. I think he has to play options actually within his tournament squad though, surely? Ideally. But he is in a bit of a bind with lack of bodies. The friendlies have been rendered pretty meaningless anyway with the absence of all the Manchester and Chelsea players He said even Grealish isn't training every day with a view to "managing his load" Maybe Lingard will just do 45.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 20:07:53 GMT
He says he's preparing as if he'll be without Henderson and Maguire and if they play, "that's a bonus" This has got back three written all over it. I'm not sure when it happened, but Henderson has become a crucial player for us. I never really rated him (as a top drawer "elite" level player) but over time he's won me over. And looking at what other options we have in the middle, you suddenly realise he's critical for England. Similar situation with Maguire in a way. If slab head isn't fit, all of a sudden we look desperately short. Overloaded in certain positions and severely lacking in others. Fingers crossed they're both fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 20:10:14 GMT
Seems stupid. But they are down, numbers-wise, aren't they? Henderson not fit enough to start, and Sancho ill. And no Sterling, Rashford, Foden or Mount. So he's only really got Saka and Grealish for those floaty, Lingardy positions. And he won't want to overplay players. I think he has to play options actually within his tournament squad though, surely? He said he needs to keep those players "on standby" sharp, in case they are needed to be called on. I agree with you though, seems complete bollocks. Imagine if he scores a hat trick tomorrow? Just leaves him looking stupid.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2021 20:11:18 GMT
It's a good job TAA and Sancho made the cut, leaving either of those out would've been dereliction of duty
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2021 20:21:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 20:38:37 GMT
"As things stand the England XI is likely to be made up of five defenders, two deep midfielders, plus Mason Mount, Sterling and Kane." That's my biggest concern. Sterling shouldn't be starting, but you kinda know he will. Foden should be nailed on. My personal preference would also be Grealish, but I'd be ok with Sancho starting too. I just think he will be too cautious to go with what is likely our best team, and stick with those he's been loyal too in recent years. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 1, 2021 23:36:04 GMT
I'd go 4-2-3-1 from the off. All our best players are in forward positions so we should play to our strengths.
Henderson Walker - Stones - Maguire - Shaw Bellingham - Rice Foden - Mount - Grealish Kane
However I think Southgate will go defensive
Pickford Walker - Stones - Maguire James - Rice - Henderson - Shaw Mount - Kane - Rashford
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 2, 2021 6:26:17 GMT
I'd go 4-2-3-1 from the off. All our best players are in forward positions so we should play to our strengths. Henderson Walker - Stones - Maguire - Shaw Bellingham - Rice Foden - Mount - Grealish Kane However I think Southgate will go defensive Pickford Walker - Stones - Maguire James - Rice - Henderson - Shaw Mount - Kane - Rashford Think he'll start Foden. Think you need one of Rashford/Sancho/Sterling in the front three for the sake of a bit of pace, even if two of the three aren't in the best form at the moment.
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Post by noustie on Jun 2, 2021 9:28:36 GMT
Purely from the outside looking in seemed a bit of a bizarre press conference saying TAA was always going when he'd already dropped him before. If he's bottled cutting him at the expense of Ward-Prowse it could really bite him in the @rse because you seem pretty light in that position for a 5-2-3 that he looks to be going with especially with Henderson's injury.
I reckon it's which team manages injuries and Covid possibly more than the football that'll win this and could already hear on Talk Sport last night that 4 right backs will be used to crucify him if you have a poor tournament.
With Hazard and De Bryne struggling can't see Belgium being up to much and France including Benzema on paper looks good but could be an absolute recipe for disaster. England have as good a chance as any of the big guns I reckon but wouldn't be surprised if a dark horse ended up winning it out of no place like a pragmatic Sweden or Denmark.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 2, 2021 9:38:51 GMT
Purely from the outside looking in seemed a bit of a bizarre press conference saying TAA was always going when he'd already dropped him before. If he's bottled cutting him at the expense of Ward-Prowse it could really bite him in the @rse because you seem pretty light in that position for a 5-2-3 that he looks to be going with especially with Henderson's injury. I reckon it's which team manages injuries and Covid possibly more than the football that'll win this and could already hear on Talk Sport last night that 4 right backs will be used to crucify him if you have a poor tournament. With Hazard and De Bryne struggling can't see Belgium being up to much and France including Benzema on paper looks good but could be an absolute recipe for disaster. England have as good a chance as any of the big guns I reckon but wouldn't be surprised if a dark horse ended up winning it out of no place like a pragmatic Sweden or Denmark. Think JMM's shout of Italy at 9-1 is a good one. Long unbeaten run and seems to be a bit of feelgood factor about them.
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Post by noustie on Jun 2, 2021 9:48:57 GMT
Purely from the outside looking in seemed a bit of a bizarre press conference saying TAA was always going when he'd already dropped him before. If he's bottled cutting him at the expense of Ward-Prowse it could really bite him in the @rse because you seem pretty light in that position for a 5-2-3 that he looks to be going with especially with Henderson's injury. I reckon it's which team manages injuries and Covid possibly more than the football that'll win this and could already hear on Talk Sport last night that 4 right backs will be used to crucify him if you have a poor tournament. With Hazard and De Bryne struggling can't see Belgium being up to much and France including Benzema on paper looks good but could be an absolute recipe for disaster. England have as good a chance as any of the big guns I reckon but wouldn't be surprised if a dark horse ended up winning it out of no place like a pragmatic Sweden or Denmark. Think JMM's shout of Italy at 9-1 is a good one. Long unbeaten run and seems to be a bit of feelgood factor about them. Agree totally and probably where my money will end up with possibly a punt each way on someone longer. Their group looks decent although Turkey are a wild card but think Italy are in Rome for the whole group stage but not sure what happens from there. Would have fancied Germany purely down to lazy stereotyping that they'd manage Covid/ injuries/ travel better than everyone else but their group is a killer - all three will probably get out but would imagine it'll take a lot out of them. Wembley will be a massive benefit to England too - make the semi's and you're probably favourites.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jun 2, 2021 10:25:22 GMT
Purely from the outside looking in seemed a bit of a bizarre press conference saying TAA was always going when he'd already dropped him before. If he's bottled cutting him at the expense of Ward-Prowse it could really bite him in the @rse because you seem pretty light in that position for a 5-2-3 that he looks to be going with especially with Henderson's injury. I reckon it's which team manages injuries and Covid possibly more than the football that'll win this and could already hear on Talk Sport last night that 4 right backs will be used to crucify him if you have a poor tournament. With Hazard and De Bryne struggling can't see Belgium being up to much and France including Benzema on paper looks good but could be an absolute recipe for disaster. England have as good a chance as any of the big guns I reckon but wouldn't be surprised if a dark horse ended up winning it out of no place like a pragmatic Sweden or Denmark. Think JMM's shout of Italy at 9-1 is a good one. Long unbeaten run and seems to be a bit of feelgood factor about them. Italy are 11/1 in most places
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 2, 2021 10:29:27 GMT
Think JMM's shout of Italy at 9-1 is a good one. Long unbeaten run and seems to be a bit of feelgood factor about them. Italy are 11/1 in most places Didn't know that, cheers. Might lump 10 on.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 2, 2021 10:54:23 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4.
So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal.
And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of:
Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI.
I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that.
Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount
Pickford Walker-Coady/Mings-Stones RWB-Rice-Henderson/Phillips/Mount-LWB XXX-Kane-XXX
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:11:40 GMT
Purely from the outside looking in seemed a bit of a bizarre press conference saying TAA was always going when he'd already dropped him before. If he's bottled cutting him at the expense of Ward-Prowse it could really bite him in the @rse because you seem pretty light in that position for a 5-2-3 that he looks to be going with especially with Henderson's injury. I reckon it's which team manages injuries and Covid possibly more than the football that'll win this and could already hear on Talk Sport last night that 4 right backs will be used to crucify him if you have a poor tournament. With Hazard and De Bryne struggling can't see Belgium being up to much and France including Benzema on paper looks good but could be an absolute recipe for disaster. England have as good a chance as any of the big guns I reckon but wouldn't be surprised if a dark horse ended up winning it out of no place like a pragmatic Sweden or Denmark. Think JMM's shout of Italy at 9-1 is a good one. Long unbeaten run and seems to be a bit of feelgood factor about them. You should know by now that any shout of mine makes sense. ! Pretty much the reasons I took them. Turkey be no pushover
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:15:42 GMT
Most of the journos seem to be anticipating a back 3 now, certainly in Maguire's absence - as he wouldn't trust Mings or Coady in a 4. So unless he's willing to play Mount alongside Rice in the midfield two, only 2 of the non-Kane attacking players would be able to play. Not ideal. And, even if Mount plays deeper in Henderson's initial absence, only 3 of: Mount, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Foden would be in any XI. I can see loads of fans being pretty pissed off with that. Really hard to predict which 2 he'd go for, especially if he went with Rice and Phillips/Henderson in midfield. At the moment, suppose you'd guess at Foden and Sterling. Although can't see him going in without Mount Pickford Walker -Coady/Mings -Stones RWB -Rice -Henderson/Phillips/Mount -LWB XXX-Kane -XXXIf he plays 5 at the back, and any two of Rice,Henderson and Phillip's, he deserves every bit of shit that will inevitably come his way.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 2, 2021 13:25:42 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 13:28:26 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? Same here .Wasn't too upset when he defected but been have impressive lately. Can still keep Michael Keane though
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 2, 2021 13:30:39 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? Think he's had an excellent season and really started to look the part as an energetic DM. Played well for England the last few games as well. One of the first names on the team sheet for me now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 14:20:46 GMT
Rice seems to be embedded in the England set up. I don't really rate him that highly. Is it just me? Same here .Wasn't too upset when he defected but been have impressive lately. Can still keep Michael Keane though Come on mate, you can admit it to us.... You were gutted weren't you really
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 14:42:08 GMT
Same here .Wasn't too upset when he defected but been have impressive lately. Can still keep Michael Keane though Come on mate, you can admit it to us.... You were gutted weren't you really not then but a bit now...more every time i see him. in fact quite a lot more as for Harry Kane....meh.
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