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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 27, 2021 7:42:32 GMT
The squad according to current Betfair odds.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 27, 2021 7:53:49 GMT
The squad according to current Betfair odds. Sure he'll manage to sneak in a couple more right backs between now and then.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 27, 2021 8:24:39 GMT
Yes there is. Pickfy is a strange keeper. But a good one. If he could get his head right there'd be no question about it. He seems to have developed that things we breed into young English keepers now to be as cocky as possible to the extent that gaffes slip into your game, and then there's no way back after that. It happened to Hart and seemed a little bit to happen to Jack as well. For obvious reasons goalkeeping phuqups get sharper focus. It's a specialised position. Perhaps the cockiness is a vital part of the mindset.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 27, 2021 8:26:52 GMT
He seems to have developed that things we breed into young English keepers now to be as cocky as possible to the extent that gaffes slip into your game, and then there's no way back after that. It happened to Hart and seemed a little bit to happen to Jack as well. For obvious reasons goalkeeping phuqups get sharper focus. It's a specialised position. Perhaps the cockiness is a vital part of the mindset. It may well be, but with all three it seems fragile enough that once they make a couple of high profile errors they're completely shot. Hart was broken after the last Euros, for example. Jack never seemed to get over not getting his Premier League move after we were relegated.
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 27, 2021 8:29:39 GMT
Is there an argument for Henderson starting in goal over Pickford? I’d say yes, however I do think Pickford is a ‘big game player’ but you balance that with the potential for a mistake. Overall I do prefer Henderson though.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 27, 2021 9:36:43 GMT
For obvious reasons goalkeeping phuqups get sharper focus. It's a specialised position. Perhaps the cockiness is a vital part of the mindset. It may well be, but with all three it seems fragile enough that once they make a couple of high profile errors they're completely shot. Hart was broken after the last Euros, for example. Jack never seemed to get over not getting his Premier League move after we were relegated. Make em work on a steelworks. Mardarses
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 27, 2021 11:16:48 GMT
If he takes another goalie, right back or DM I will scream.
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 27, 2021 11:45:04 GMT
It's still a maximum of seven matches, though, isn't it? Could be a lot of guys kicking their heels.
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Post by lordb on Apr 27, 2021 16:12:28 GMT
If he takes another goalie, right back or DM I will scream. he will take Walker,because he can also play CB in a 3, along with two other right backs is my guess 4 goalies would be super daft
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 29, 2021 20:50:11 GMT
Got to be a case for taking Greenwood.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 29, 2021 20:58:46 GMT
Got to be a case for taking Greenwood. Certainly if you need a goal late on, but hard to know who he'd displace, because you know he's going to take Jesse Lingard. And he will probably also want to take Saka. Pickford Henderson Pope Walker James TAA Shaw Chilwell Stones Maguire Mings Dier Coady Rice Henderson Phillips Bellingham Mount Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Sancho Lingard Kane DCL Maybe if he just took the 2 RBs and stuck to his guns on TAA? (although can still see him maybe taking Trippier) Or just takes the 4 CBs knowing Walker can play in a 3. Or if he does something dramatic like leave Sancho out (also just writing the likely central defensive options down on paper is scary. If anything happens to Stones or Maguire we're in big trouble and he may just switch to a back 3 there and then?)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 29, 2021 21:01:31 GMT
Got to be a case for taking Greenwood. Certainly if you need a goal late on, but hard to know who he'd displace, because you know he's going to take Jesse Lingard. And he will probably also want to take Saka. Pickford Henderson Pope Walker James TAA Shaw Chilwell Stones Maguire Mings Dier Coady Rice Henderson Phillips Bellingham Mount Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Sancho Lingard Kane DCL Maybe if he just took the 2 RBs and stuck to his guns on TAA? (although can still see him maybe taking Trippier) Or just takes the 4 CBs knowing Walker can play in a 3. Or if he does something dramatic like leave Sancho out (also just writing the likely central defensive options down on paper is scary. If anything happens to Stones or Maguire we're in big trouble and he may just switch to a back 3 there and then?) Three right backs seems excessive to me. Also think TAA hasn’t really done a lot for England, and the side isn’t built for him quite the way Liverpool’s is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2021 0:03:42 GMT
Got to be a case for taking Greenwood. Certainly if you need a goal late on, but hard to know who he'd displace, because you know he's going to take Jesse Lingard. And he will probably also want to take Saka. Pickford Henderson Pope Walker James TAA Shaw Chilwell Stones Maguire Mings Dier Coady Rice Henderson Phillips Bellingham Mount Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Sancho Lingard Kane DCL Maybe if he just took the 2 RBs and stuck to his guns on TAA? (although can still see him maybe taking Trippier) Or just takes the 4 CBs knowing Walker can play in a 3. Or if he does something dramatic like leave Sancho out (also just writing the likely central defensive options down on paper is scary. If anything happens to Stones or Maguire we're in big trouble and he may just switch to a back 3 there and then?) He wouldn’t take that squad surely? So negative. Has to put one of Saka or Greenwood in at least. I’d take both. Get rid of TAA and Dier in there. Every time Greenwood is running through on goal you fancy him to score.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 30, 2021 6:43:06 GMT
If he takes another goalie, right back or DM I will scream. It is mental the amount of bang average CDMs in that proposed squad. Some fairly decent CAMs, but where are all the CMs at? Looks a poorly balanced squad.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2021 8:10:47 GMT
Certainly if you need a goal late on, but hard to know who he'd displace, because you know he's going to take Jesse Lingard. And he will probably also want to take Saka. Pickford Henderson Pope Walker James TAA Shaw Chilwell Stones Maguire Mings Dier Coady Rice Henderson Phillips Bellingham Mount Sterling Rashford Foden Grealish Sancho Lingard Kane DCL Maybe if he just took the 2 RBs and stuck to his guns on TAA? (although can still see him maybe taking Trippier) Or just takes the 4 CBs knowing Walker can play in a 3. Or if he does something dramatic like leave Sancho out (also just writing the likely central defensive options down on paper is scary. If anything happens to Stones or Maguire we're in big trouble and he may just switch to a back 3 there and then?) He wouldn’t take that squad surely? So negative. Has to put one of Saka or Greenwood in at least. I’d take both. Get rid of TAA and Dier in there. Every time Greenwood is running through on goal you fancy him to score. Bit of a danger of overkill in those attacking areas though, in terms of keeping anyone happy who's not getting minutes. If he starts with Mount, Foden, Sterling and Kane, he'd still have Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Lingard plus Calvert-Lewin as options to change it. If they were losing with 15 minutes to go in a knockout game, would he bring Greenwood on ahead of any of those? Just think he may take TAA to avoid a few days of press attacks (although if he doesn't fancy him, that's stupid). And if he is does move to a back 3 with Walker in it, he'd only have one player available to play RWB. Maybe he could go in with just the 4 CBs - but that department looks awful outside the starting 2, so an injury to either of those could leave to a formation switch with not masses of cover
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2021 8:23:56 GMT
He wouldn’t take that squad surely? So negative. Has to put one of Saka or Greenwood in at least. I’d take both. Get rid of TAA and Dier in there. Every time Greenwood is running through on goal you fancy him to score. Bit of a danger of overkill in those attacking areas though, in terms of keeping anyone happy who's not getting minutes. If he starts with Mount, Foden, Sterling and Kane, he'd still have Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Lingard plus Calvert-Lewin as options to change it. If they were losing with 15 minutes to go in a knockout game, would he bring Greenwood on ahead of any of those? Just think he may take TAA to avoid a few days of press attacks (although if he doesn't fancy him, that's stupid). And if he is does move to a back 3 with Walker in it, he'd only have one player available to play RWB. Maybe he could go in with just the 4 CBs - but that department looks awful outside the starting 2, so an injury to either of those could leave to a formation switch with not masses of cover But isn't that going to be the case anywhere? At least with Saka and Greenwood they're young, not expecting that much game time anyway, versatile and with that good in a number of positions. No squad needs 3 right backs. And the notion of Walker at CB fills me with dread. If I wanted a goal I'd bring Greenwood over all of them bar Rashford. And if you're playing people on form then Saka gets in over Sterling (I know it doesn't work like that). Pace and attacking football is the best hope with the squad we have.
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Post by lordb on Apr 30, 2021 11:05:47 GMT
Bit of a danger of overkill in those attacking areas though, in terms of keeping anyone happy who's not getting minutes. If he starts with Mount, Foden, Sterling and Kane, he'd still have Rashford, Grealish, Sancho and Lingard plus Calvert-Lewin as options to change it. If they were losing with 15 minutes to go in a knockout game, would he bring Greenwood on ahead of any of those? Just think he may take TAA to avoid a few days of press attacks (although if he doesn't fancy him, that's stupid). And if he is does move to a back 3 with Walker in it, he'd only have one player available to play RWB. Maybe he could go in with just the 4 CBs - but that department looks awful outside the starting 2, so an injury to either of those could leave to a formation switch with not masses of cover But isn't that going to be the case anywhere? At least with Saka and Greenwood they're young, not expecting that much game time anyway, versatile and with that good in a number of positions. No squad needs 3 right backs. And the notion of Walker at CB fills me with dread. If I wanted a goal I'd bring Greenwood over all of them bar Rashford. And if you're playing people on form then Saka gets in over Sterling (I know it doesn't work like that). Pace and attacking football is the best hope with the squad we have. assuming he will now take 3 strikers & assuming two will be Kane & DCL I think it's then any one of Greenwood,Watkins & Ings (Abraham has no chance now as he's not playing) I'd choose Ings out of those 3 but no drama if any of those 3 go
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2021 11:21:17 GMT
But isn't that going to be the case anywhere? At least with Saka and Greenwood they're young, not expecting that much game time anyway, versatile and with that good in a number of positions. No squad needs 3 right backs. And the notion of Walker at CB fills me with dread. If I wanted a goal I'd bring Greenwood over all of them bar Rashford. And if you're playing people on form then Saka gets in over Sterling (I know it doesn't work like that). Pace and attacking football is the best hope with the squad we have. assuming he will now take 3 strikers & assuming two will be Kane & DCL I think it's then any one of Greenwood,Watkins & Ings (Abraham has no chance now as he's not playing) I'd choose Ings out of those 3 but no drama if any of those 3 go As with Rashford though, he rarely plays as a No.9, even when he comes on as sub, does he? So it may just be DCL and Kane in terms of out-and-out strikers? Doesn't he generally play off the right, so he'd be competing for pitch time with people like Foden, Grealish, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard etc. So if you brought him on if we were chasing a game, it'd be a Foden or a Sterling/Rashford he'd be replacing, rather than a Kane. Hard to see Southgate ever subbing Kane off, even if he was having an awful game I do think he's more likely to go than Watkins/Ings/Bamford though, just because he's producing off the bench and is more versatile. Just depends on how many of this lot he can fit in while still covering himself defensively. m.skybet.com/football/england-specials/event/24118468Mason Mount 1/25 Phil Foden 1/25 Harry Kane 1/25 Raheem Sterling 1/25 Marcus Rashford 1/20 Dominic Calvert-Lewin 1/12 Jesse Lingard 1/10 Jadon Sancho 1/6 Jack Grealish 4/7 Bukayo Saka 8/11 Mason Greenwood 11/4 Ollie Watkins 7/2 James Maddison 9/2 Patrick Bamford 6/1
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Post by FullerMagic on May 4, 2021 17:49:18 GMT
Foden definitely in Pep's best XI now - and Sterling isn't.
Interesting to see what Southgate thinks.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 4, 2021 17:54:52 GMT
Foden definitely in Pep's best XI now - and Sterling isn't. Interesting to see what Southgate thinks. Southgate thinks he’s Sterling surrogate mother. Not saying he shouldn’t play for England but I think this lays bare what I’ve said about Sterling in the past. He’s not as good as he thinks, especially finishing, classic England mentality. Foden oozes class and confidence. That said I think Foden should hover behind Kane with Sterling wide, for England of course.
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Post by clarkeda on May 5, 2021 6:19:34 GMT
Foden definitely in Pep's best XI now - and Sterling isn't. Interesting to see what Southgate thinks. Foden has to play, it’s as simple as that. He’s a special player and easy to forget still only 20.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2021 8:01:43 GMT
I don’t get why it’s a question or has been for so long.
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Post by thehoof on May 5, 2021 8:52:35 GMT
If it’s a case of what would Gareth do though, Sterling’s pretty much a fixture in his team. True but so has Rashford? I think if I had to stick my neck he’d pick this side: Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Rice Henderson Mount Sterling Kane Rashford While I think you will be pretty close with that team, it sums up what is wrong if Southgate does start with that. Why on Earth would anyone pick Rice and Henderson? One of the two is fine, but we don’t need both. Also only England could not start with Foden, who on current form is the best player bar none (including KDB) in the Premier League.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 5, 2021 9:01:33 GMT
I think he will start Foden now, along with Sterling.
Henderson's fitness is looking dodgy, but if he's fit, you can definitely see Rice and him both starting, along with Mount.
If one of them isn't fit, looks like it'll be Phillips.
He seems wedded to wanting 2 non-flair players in there.
Pickford Walker Maguire Stones Shaw Rice Henderson/Phillips Mount Foden Kane Sterling
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2021 9:03:28 GMT
True but so has Rashford? I think if I had to stick my neck he’d pick this side: Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Rice Henderson Mount Sterling Kane Rashford While I think you will be pretty close with that team, it sums up what is wrong if Southgate does start with that. Why on Earth would anyone pick Rice and Henderson? One of the two is fine, but we don’t need both. Also only England could not start with Foden, who on current form is the best player bar none (including KDB) in the Premier League. Foden I think has played his way into it. Which I think is mad. I would have taken him last year and my views on him are well known. He's been this good for the last 2 seasons. He has to play. Do you drop Mount deeper? Have Mount as a 10 with Bellingham and Rice behind? That's what I'm thinking anyway, not sure Southgate will be. It's all a bit one paced if 3 of the front 4 are Mount, Foden and Kane. But on form and with their talent that's probably what should be happening. Rashford and Sterling don't do their best work on the right, so do you play Sancho? Who is great for Dortmund but never really done much in an England shirt. Essentially: Pope Walker Stones Rice Bellingham Sancho Mount Foden Sterling Rashford Kane And I still want Greenwood and Saka in there too.
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Post by thehoof on May 5, 2021 9:10:25 GMT
While I think you will be pretty close with that team, it sums up what is wrong if Southgate does start with that. Why on Earth would anyone pick Rice and Henderson? One of the two is fine, but we don’t need both. Also only England could not start with Foden, who on current form is the best player bar none (including KDB) in the Premier League. Foden I think has played his way into it. Which I think is mad. I would have taken him last year and my views on him are well known. He's been this good for the last 2 seasons. He has to play. Do you drop Mount deeper? Have Mount as a 10 with Bellingham and Rice behind? That's what I'm thinking anyway, not sure Southgate will be. It's all a bit one paced if 3 of the front 4 are Mount, Foden and Kane. But on form and with their talent that's probably what should be happening. Rashford and Sterling don't do their best work on the right, so do you play Sancho? Who is great for Dortmund but never really done much in an England shirt. Essentially: Pope Walker Stones Rice Bellingham Sancho Mount Foden Sterling Rashford Kane And I still want Greenwood and Saka in there too. I’d forgotten Bellingham- he was mightily impressive for Dortmund against City, I just wonder if it is a season too soon- there again if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. This is where Southgate needs to earn his corn- we have the talent in the midfield and forwards to do really well; it’s the defence that is the worry, which may be why he goes for two holding midfielder’s; I’d rather we take the approach of scoring more than the opposition. We do have a great chance if he selects well- over to Mr.Southgate!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2021 9:28:51 GMT
Foden I think has played his way into it. Which I think is mad. I would have taken him last year and my views on him are well known. He's been this good for the last 2 seasons. He has to play. Do you drop Mount deeper? Have Mount as a 10 with Bellingham and Rice behind? That's what I'm thinking anyway, not sure Southgate will be. It's all a bit one paced if 3 of the front 4 are Mount, Foden and Kane. But on form and with their talent that's probably what should be happening. Rashford and Sterling don't do their best work on the right, so do you play Sancho? Who is great for Dortmund but never really done much in an England shirt. Essentially: Pope Walker Stones Rice Bellingham Sancho Mount Foden Sterling Rashford Kane And I still want Greenwood and Saka in there too. I’d forgotten Bellingham- he was mightily impressive for Dortmund against City, I just wonder if it is a season too soon- there again if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. This is where Southgate needs to earn his corn- we have the talent in the midfield and forwards to do really well; it’s the defence that is the worry, which may be why he goes for two holding midfielder’s; I’d rather we take the approach of scoring more than the opposition. We do have a great chance if he selects well- over to Mr.Southgate! He did and I think he offers a balance in there too. He's not afraid of getting forward but he keeps shape and has so much discipline with it. I don't think he'll start but he really should be considered.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 5, 2021 9:32:16 GMT
Also worth noting how well Kyle Walker is playing. He seems to have killed the right-back debate stone dead.
31 this month and yet, like Vardy, he seems to be a freak who isn't losing his pace at all
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 5, 2021 10:36:38 GMT
Pickford, walker, stones and maguire are nailed on starters.
I genuinely think Shaw and Chilwell will share/rotate the LB position, especially now Chilwell has regained his regular spot in the Chelsea side.
So that's your back 5 pretty much sorted.
I just hope for the attack Southgate will pick on form and not try and shoehorn a seriously out of form Sterling or a partly injured/inconsistent Rashford in the side.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 11:13:45 GMT
Pickford
Walker stones Maguire Shaw
Henderson mount
Lingard Foden grealish
Kane
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