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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 6, 2021 0:43:41 GMT
What about the hundreds of thousands of people murdered by the Western forces in the middle east, they are people. Can we deal these the same.?. TThis English girl did nothing in comparison , she is a English pproblem to be dealt wwith by the English state. I find your attitude incredible. You really do hate your own country don’t you? From the nature of your typing I’d say your a prime target for radicalisation yourself. The sort of hatred your typing is exactly the sort of stuff that someone would be saying to someone impressionable themselves. Explain my incredible attitude. I don't hate anyone or anything. Maybe you have been radicalised if you think it is OK and support the bombing the shit out of countries killing hundreds of thousands of people and destroying these countries. And then the likes of you blaming it all on a fifteenth year old from London
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 6, 2021 0:46:33 GMT
I find your attitude incredible. You really do hate your own country don’t you? From the nature of your typing I’d say your a prime target for radicalisation yourself. The sort of hatred your typing is exactly the sort of stuff that someone would be saying to someone impressionable themselves. Explain my incredible attitude. I don't hate anyone or anything. Maybe you have been radicalised if you think it is OK and support the bombing the shit out of countries killing hundreds of thousands of people and destroying these countries. And then the likes of you blaming it all on a fifteenth year old from London We’re not getting anywhere are we we’re never going to agree you clearly have a lot of sympathy for someone that I don’t. I’ll never buy the fact that the U.K. are bigger terrorists than Isis we’ll just have to leave it at that.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 6, 2021 1:54:45 GMT
At fifteen years old I knew what I was doing, and I would have had a slight inkling that wishing death to the west and beheading people was perhaps a step too far and I should probably stay in and finish my maths homework. She consciously made the choice and she can fucking rot on the back of it, I’m not having the brainwashing argument sorry, I saw plenty of nutters preaching at that age and I knew to avoid them. Can’t believe this has hit 8 pages, she’s made her extremist bed and for once we’ve done the right thing, she can get to fuck and I can only hope her demise is wholly more painful and humiliating than those poor kids at the MEN, or the sons, daughters, wives, husbands, grandparents and friends of those taken by these fucking inhuman pieces of feral shit she was so happy to join. Wouldn’t even waste a piss on her gravestone. What about the hundreds of thousands of people murdered by the Western forces in the middle east, they are people. Can we deal these the same.?. TThis English girl did nothing in comparison , she is a English pproblem to be dealt wwith by the English state. Shamima Begum barely knew what was going on in a part of the world she decided to visit, I hardly think she was clued up on the nuances of UK foreign policy 😄 Explain to me why Sri Lanka was attacked by these people? What foreign policy do they have?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 6, 2021 2:00:04 GMT
Explain please? I must have missed that. Have you got any links? Take your head out of the sun and the express. Open your eyes and mind I think you should open a dictionary you bulb 😄
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Post by thevoid on Mar 6, 2021 2:03:50 GMT
At fifteen years old I knew what I was doing, and I would have had a slight inkling that wishing death to the west and beheading people was perhaps a step too far and I should probably stay in and finish my maths homework. She consciously made the choice and she can fucking rot on the back of it, I’m not having the brainwashing argument sorry, I saw plenty of nutters preaching at that age and I knew to avoid them. Can’t believe this has hit 8 pages, she’s made her extremist bed and for once we’ve done the right thing, she can get to fuck and I can only hope her demise is wholly more painful and humiliating than those poor kids at the MEN, or the sons, daughters, wives, husbands, grandparents and friends of those taken by these fucking inhuman pieces of feral shit she was so happy to join. Wouldn’t even waste a piss on her gravestone. What about the hundreds of thousands of people murdered by the Western forces in the middle east, they are people. Can we deal these the same.?. TThis English girl did nothing in comparison , she is a English pproblem to be dealt wwith by the English state. British state, fella. There's no such thing as English foreign policy.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 6, 2021 8:36:10 GMT
This utterly vile bitchfuck needs to rot in hell.
My only caveat is that she is British and it is not fair on the good people of Syria that she is left there to cause further disturbance to them.
She's our responsibility and it's Britain's weak leadership over many years that has allowed Jihadi terrorism and radicalisation to thrive. Its therefore vital we work with the Syrian government to ensure she suffers in the same way so many families have suffered at the hands of the most ghastly terrorist outfit in modern history. Ensure we support Syria with resource and throw in some torture for good measure. Then I think its only right that we take her out of Syria and chuck her in the Atlantic. The sharks will have a new friend.
I don't like the idea of saying "just leave her" because that sets a bad precedent for when we have foreign terrorists... Each country has a responsibility to manage their people.
She's disgusting. I also think we should support Syria with resource in managing the many thousands of Isis prisoners in Syria. What these bastards did in Iraq and Syria is just horrifying. I remember watching a young Iraqi guy on a documentary describing how every morning after they seized control of Basra IS would take innocent people into the town square to be cut into pieces like meat to set an example. Women stoned and mutilated.
Shamima Begum couldn't even show any remorse in her interviews. Deeply disturbing.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 9:56:51 GMT
At fifteen years old I knew what I was doing, and I would have had a slight inkling that wishing death to the west and beheading people was perhaps a step too far and I should probably stay in and finish my maths homework. She consciously made the choice and she can fucking rot on the back of it, I’m not having the brainwashing argument sorry, I saw plenty of nutters preaching at that age and I knew to avoid them. Can’t believe this has hit 8 pages, she’s made her extremist bed and for once we’ve done the right thing, she can get to fuck and I can only hope her demise is wholly more painful and humiliating than those poor kids at the MEN, or the sons, daughters, wives, husbands, grandparents and friends of those taken by these fucking inhuman pieces of feral shit she was so happy to join. Wouldn’t even waste a piss on her gravestone. What about the hundreds of thousands of people murdered by the Western forces in the middle east, they are people. Can we deal these the same.?. TThis English girl did nothing in comparison , she is a English pproblem to be dealt wwith by the English state. That's nasty stammer you have there.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 10:01:50 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 10:03:55 GMT
There's no substance to him mate, he's clearly unbalanced and needs help, he is convinced I worked for the NCB for some unfathomable reason strange little man. Did you work in the coal industry,?? Your substance is shit, you are full of it No I have tried to tell you that a number of times are you drunk or just plain thick as pig shit ?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 13, 2021 0:28:14 GMT
Did you work in the coal industry,?? Your substance is shit, you are full of it No I have tried to tell you that a number of times are you drunk or just plain thick as pig shit ? You are full shite. You put stuff on here about how you hate cops because of the way you were treated during the miners strike. More Walter Mitty stuff to add to your Spanish Wife Villa in Tenerife military career Etc etc 😂😂😂
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Post by walstoke on Jun 15, 2021 12:27:42 GMT
Is begging to come home again and showing some contrition. I'm inclined to show some compassion. She was dressed in jeans t-shirt and baseball cap instead of hijab. What do people think ?
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Post by metalhead on Jun 15, 2021 12:49:21 GMT
It's going to take a miracle to turn the public opinion, despite the Guardian and Independent running a media campaign to bring her home.
She needed to show this contrition when she was first found, baby in hand. People were horrified by the statements she made. As she didn't, most people assume that this is just an act.
My opinion is that Ms Begun appears to be unhinged. She wants to rehabilitate others but doesn't see any reason for her own rehabilitation.
It's a no from me.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 15, 2021 13:27:30 GMT
Begging to come home is she?
She is home, the one she chose.
Fucking rot you ugly cunt.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 15, 2021 13:42:38 GMT
It's going to take a miracle to turn the public opinion, despite the Guardian and Independent running a media campaign to bring her home. She needed to show this contrition when she was first found, baby in hand. People were horrified by the statements she made. As she didn't, most people assume that this is just an act. My opinion is that Ms Begun appears to be unhinged. She wants to rehabilitate others but doesn't see any reason for her own rehabilitation. It's a no from me. I think she probably is unhinged. I’d imagine losing 3 young children hasn’t helped her and has probably made her situation worse. I think she was brainwashed and at that age14-15 it’s easy to get sucked in with your friends. But... She said things afterwards that she still believed were true and focussed on that at way of life as being the best (we’re they under duress?). Additionally I don’t know what risk she poses to the British public still and as said above if she doesn’t believe she needs rehabilitation then is she a danger.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jun 15, 2021 14:13:15 GMT
The most sensible course of action seems to me to let her have some kind of impartial hearing with the proper authorities. Albeit via video link from wherever she is now.
The only people that have access to the full facts of this case are police, lawyers, and the government agencies involved. The rest of us do not. The whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion by both sides in the media. She has the right to a fair trial.
If that trial judges that she’s even slightly a risk, then she can stay put, ta very much, have a nice life 👍
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Post by foster on Jun 15, 2021 15:43:32 GMT
Looking at the way it's going she'll probably come back.
In which case she should have to report in every few days and wear a electronic tag permanently.
I'm more concerned about those around her influencing her again than anything else.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 15, 2021 23:20:08 GMT
The most sensible course of action seems to me to let her have some kind of impartial hearing with the proper authorities. Albeit via video link from wherever she is now. The only people that have access to the full facts of this case are police, lawyers, and the government agencies involved. The rest of us do not. The whole thing has been blown up out of all proportion by both sides in the media. She has the right to a fair trial. If that trial judges that she’s even slightly a risk, then she can stay put, ta very much, have a nice life 👍 My concern is that lawyers would have a field day. There is going to be no evidence of her terrorist activity, if there was any. Naturally, she claims that there wasn't but there is anecdotal evidence that suggests she may well have been. Do I think she's a risk to the public? Possibly. I suspect she still believes in her reasons for being there.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 16, 2021 6:44:34 GMT
Let her rot , the door to the U.K. has been well and truly shut
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Post by flea79 on Jun 16, 2021 8:51:04 GMT
It's going to take a miracle to turn the public opinion, despite the Guardian and Independent running a media campaign to bring her home. She needed to show this contrition when she was first found, baby in hand. People were horrified by the statements she made. As she didn't, most people assume that this is just an act. My opinion is that Ms Begun appears to be unhinged. She wants to rehabilitate others but doesn't see any reason for her own rehabilitation. It's a no from me. I think she probably is unhinged. I’d imagine losing 3 young children hasn’t helped her and has probably made her situation worse. I think she was brainwashed and at that age14-15 it’s easy to get sucked in with your friends. But... She said things afterwards that she still believed were true and focussed on that at way of life as being the best (we’re they under duress?). Additionally I don’t know what risk she poses to the British public still and as said above if she doesn’t believe she needs rehabilitation then is she a danger. the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart
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Post by franklin on Jun 16, 2021 9:01:29 GMT
If there is any debate take a look at that scumbag from Cobridge and his "rehabilitation" it's an absolute no from me and she could kiss all the arse she likes it's still no.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 16, 2021 9:05:49 GMT
The argument she chose to live in another country doesn't stand basic examination. She declared allegiance to the IS Caliphate which no longer exists and is now stranded in a Syrian refugee camp. Why should another country have to deal with her she is our problem, she should be brought back and dealt with here and if deemed appropriate locked up.
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Post by foster on Jun 16, 2021 9:11:33 GMT
I think she probably is unhinged. I’d imagine losing 3 young children hasn’t helped her and has probably made her situation worse. I think she was brainwashed and at that age14-15 it’s easy to get sucked in with your friends. But... She said things afterwards that she still believed were true and focussed on that at way of life as being the best (we’re they under duress?). Additionally I don’t know what risk she poses to the British public still and as said above if she doesn’t believe she needs rehabilitation then is she a danger. the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart Fair point. She should be made an example of. However if she renounces her extremist views, spills the beans on all her contacts (influencers) and spends the rest of her days doing charity work then I'm inclined to give her a second chance. In any case, she is our responsibility as a British citizen.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 16, 2021 9:18:53 GMT
I think she probably is unhinged. I’d imagine losing 3 young children hasn’t helped her and has probably made her situation worse. I think she was brainwashed and at that age14-15 it’s easy to get sucked in with your friends. But... She said things afterwards that she still believed were true and focussed on that at way of life as being the best (we’re they under duress?). Additionally I don’t know what risk she poses to the British public still and as said above if she doesn’t believe she needs rehabilitation then is she a danger. the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart Don’t disagree with any of that.
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Post by walstoke on Jun 16, 2021 9:27:34 GMT
the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart Fair point. She should be made an example of. However if she renounces her extremist views, spills the beans on all her contacts (influencers) and spends the rest of her days doing charity work then I'm inclined to give her a second chance. In any case, she is our responsibility as a British citizen. I think if we make her do a few years doing aid work with the victims of IS, be made to listen to their stories. I agree though, she's our responsibility, we should setting an example.
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Post by phileetin on Jun 16, 2021 10:08:15 GMT
can'tsomebody just chop her head off and she can then reap what she has sown ?
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 16, 2021 10:56:19 GMT
If there is any debate take a look at that scumbag from Cobridge and his "rehabilitation" it's an absolute no from me and she could kiss all the arse she likes it's still no. Exactly. These scum are like sex offenders... they can't be changed as its what they vehemently believe. All you can do is deny them opportunity and the safest way to achieve that is indefnite incarceration until they die. I don't give a flying toss about their "rights" or how some will drone on about how the world sees us. My family and their safety overides any of that nonsense.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 16, 2021 12:23:06 GMT
the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart Fair point. She should be made an example of. However if she renounces her extremist views, spills the beans on all her contacts (influencers) and spends the rest of her days doing charity work then I'm inclined to give her a second chance. In any case, she is our responsibility as a British citizen. If she had been a good intelligence asset they would have already scooped her up and taken her away she would never have made the papers and a d notice would have been put in place I honestly believe she would be a danger on our streets or a huge burden financially to keep her safe and hidden but it does seem they are making an example of her and I have to say good, too many kids these days get away with murder and dont believe there are consequences to the actions they take, this is a huge advertisement to be good and not do incredibly stupid shit
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Post by metalhead on Jun 16, 2021 12:41:44 GMT
I'm inclined to believe the above. If she could provide credible intelligence then we would have brought her home. I expect she's unwilling to spill much information.
She remains our shit to clean up, but putting her back on the streets of Britain isn't the answer.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 16, 2021 15:41:59 GMT
the threat she poses is becoming a beacon to other disenfranchised young muslim kids who are at risk of radicalisation, she becomes the flag bearer and a recruiting tool, also it says look you can go and play at being a terrorist for a bit then come home the other side is the risk of major public disorder it could cause, the far right would be after her, she would need protected identity forever but even then that never lasts and if she was found she would be torn apart Fair point. She should be made an example of. However if she renounces her extremist views, spills the beans on all her contacts (influencers) and spends the rest of her days doing charity work then I'm inclined to give her a second chance. In any case, she is our responsibility as a British citizen. Thought she had it revoked
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 16, 2021 17:51:18 GMT
If there is any debate take a look at that scumbag from Cobridge and his "rehabilitation" it's an absolute no from me and she could kiss all the arse she likes it's still no. Exactly. These scum are like sex offenders... they can't be changed as its what they vehemently believe. All you can do is deny them opportunity and the safest way to achieve that is indefnite incarceration until they die. I don't give a flying toss about their "rights" or how some will drone on about how the world sees us. My family and their safety overides any of that nonsense. See Usman Khan. Given the benefit of the doubt, look where that ended up.
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