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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 13, 2021 16:58:11 GMT
Transition.
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Post by Milkie on Mar 13, 2021 17:01:46 GMT
It is indeed from play-off form for the 2nd half of last season and the first 16 games of this ( 28 points thank god) he is transitioning to a shadow of what he was previously?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 13, 2021 17:04:44 GMT
I dont know what all the fuss is about....
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 13, 2021 17:06:23 GMT
Roughly half a season, which over a full season equates to 8 wins. It's bottom of the league, Nathan Jones territory and the injury excuses only carry so far.
Michael, you need a long look in the mirror because you simply aren't performing.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Mar 13, 2021 17:07:55 GMT
Get Wilder in quickly whilst he is available
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Post by chuckrocky on Mar 13, 2021 17:08:15 GMT
It is indeed from play-off form for the 2nd half of last season and the first 16 games of this ( 28 points thank god) he is transitioning to a shadow of what he was previously? I don’t know, I just know we’re transitioning.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 13, 2021 17:14:57 GMT
A very sorry stat that doesn't seem to be improving. It's said were transitioning but given FFP and the list of players that we will still have to contend with next season, it feels worryingly like we're just battening down the hatches until further notice. God knows, we had better hope that Campbell is fit next season and Clucas can recover his goal scoring form again because it's difficult to see how we're going to be anywhere near decent, otherwise, let alone promotion contenders in waiting. The mess continues unfortunately.
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Post by stokeykez on Mar 13, 2021 17:18:17 GMT
We are supposed to be in transition where is it, to me looks like going from a season of survival to a season of survival. No improvement, squad even worse and looks out of his depth now. Get wilder in, can work with sqauds and get that mentality together, wouldn't like to mess with him either.
Need the board to sort this shit out now, else come the next season when they are trying to sell season tickets they will be lucky to get 10,000
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 17:45:22 GMT
Can people please stop going on about the play offs. Teams with stats like ours, relying on Vokes as an 'impact sub' (that's a laugh in itself) do not make the top 6.
There's more chance of an exit the other way the fashion this club is being run.
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Post by houstonsteve on Mar 13, 2021 17:46:46 GMT
Just unlucky isn't it god willing MON.
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Post by professorplump on Mar 14, 2021 0:39:44 GMT
Get Wilder in quickly whilst he is available What, you mean the guy who's lost 22 of his last 28 games?
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Post by tomdickorharry on Mar 14, 2021 9:15:18 GMT
Perhaps Gene Wilder and Marty Feldman. Have you seen ‘ young Frankenstein’. Classic
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 9:30:30 GMT
Get Wilder in quickly whilst he is available What, you mean the guy who's lost 22 of his last 28 games? Oh yeah, he's shite. Took SU from League One, to the PL, in 2 seasons, and got into the PL with a squad that's nowhere near PL quality, in reality. And then didn't have zillions to improve the squad at his unfashionable club. I'm not advocating going for him. But looking at his teams, they're hard working, run-over-hot-coals types. And he obviously knows how to set up a side to win. Contrast that, to what we're watching.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 14, 2021 9:37:55 GMT
Can people please stop going on about the play offs. Teams with stats like ours, relying on Vokes as an 'impact sub' (that's a laugh in itself) do not make the top 6. There's more chance of an exit the other way the fashion this club is being run. Agree, over the next 4 to 6 years, I think there is more of a chance of getting relegated rather than getting promoted. In the next couple of years, Campbell, Souttar, Powell and Collins will be gone, we will then be relying on the likes of Brown, Tymon, Chester, Smith & Vokes, its enough to make you cry, when you look at some of the dross we have at this club.
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Post by onepara on Mar 14, 2021 9:39:11 GMT
I think that he ran out of his Irish luck last season. I told my son last year that he was too negative, & that we would get nowhere with him in charge. He's done some of the work by moving some of the wasters out. Now, if he'd got any integrity, looking at those figures, he would resign. All teams have suffered the loss of players due to injuries, so that's no excuse for the poor performance of the team. He just keeps doing the same things. Once they are available, season ticket sales will suffer. There needs to be a change.
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Post by a on Mar 14, 2021 9:47:19 GMT
3 points off the top after 16 games, more than a third of the season played.
Then, our best forward gets injured and we go on a downward spiral. The form guide actually is kind to us as far as position goes, with there being a few teams worse than us it would seem. So, not relegation form I don’t think but not good either.
The point is that if we kept our best players fit and free from injury/fatigue then the season may have panned out differently.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 14, 2021 16:55:42 GMT
Get Wilder in quickly whilst he is available What, you mean the guy who's lost 22 of his last 28 games? Touché!
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Post by Davef on Mar 14, 2021 17:02:06 GMT
Get Wilder in quickly whilst he is available What, you mean the guy who's lost 22 of his last 28 games? Never been relegated though.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 14, 2021 17:04:27 GMT
What, you mean the guy who's lost 22 of his last 28 games? Oh yeah, he's shite. Took SU from League One, to the PL, in 2 seasons, and got into the PL with a squad that's nowhere near PL quality, in reality. And then didn't have zillions to improve the squad at his unfashionable club. I'm not advocating going for him. But looking at his teams, they're hard working, run-over-hot-coals types. And he obviously knows how to set up a side to win. Contrast that, to what we're watching. We currently have a guy who took an unfashionable no-hope team and improved their ranking on the world stage by 100 places with next to no resources. Who came in and had enough presence to make an immediate impact and save the club from relegation and is now trying to rebuild. But hey! Rebuilding does not mean waving a magic wand and everything is fixed, it's a long hard slog. This season was never going to be anything other than steady mid-table. I'd rather stick with what we've got, than a knee jerk impatient panic. (And the yes no thread indicates 75% of those responding agree). Oh, one more thing.... How on earth is "We should get Wilder in quickly while he is available" not advocating for him? If you're convinced enough to write it on here, at least have the courage to stand up for your opinion.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 14, 2021 18:15:05 GMT
It's an appalling record.
Seems like it's too much to ask for a manager that gets his team to do the basics right, plays with a bit of passion, a will to win and does the basics right?
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Post by march4 on Mar 14, 2021 18:32:04 GMT
We are averaging a point a game for the past 20 games.
That is relegation form and would have had us finish next to bottom last season if repeated across all games.
If MON can’t do something about it soon, he has to go I’m afraid or are we yet again going to go into a new season with a failing manager
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 19:02:14 GMT
Oh yeah, he's shite. Took SU from League One, to the PL, in 2 seasons, and got into the PL with a squad that's nowhere near PL quality, in reality. And then didn't have zillions to improve the squad at his unfashionable club. I'm not advocating going for him. But looking at his teams, they're hard working, run-over-hot-coals types. And he obviously knows how to set up a side to win. Contrast that, to what we're watching. We currently have a guy who took an unfashionable no-hope team and improved their ranking on the world stage by 100 places with next to no resources. Who came in and had enough presence to make an immediate impact and save the club from relegation and is now trying to rebuild. But hey! Rebuilding does not mean waving a magic wand and everything is fixed, it's a long hard slog. This season was never going to be anything other than steady mid-table. I'd rather stick with what we've got, than a knee jerk impatient panic. (And the yes no thread indicates 75% of those responding agree). Oh, one more thing.... How on earth is "We should get Wilder in quickly while he is available" not advocating for him? If you're convinced enough to write it on here, at least have the courage to stand up for your opinion. I think you'll find, I haven't said anywhere that we "should get him in"? I was defending his record.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 14, 2021 19:11:33 GMT
We currently have a guy who took an unfashionable no-hope team and improved their ranking on the world stage by 100 places with next to no resources. Who came in and had enough presence to make an immediate impact and save the club from relegation and is now trying to rebuild. But hey! Rebuilding does not mean waving a magic wand and everything is fixed, it's a long hard slog. This season was never going to be anything other than steady mid-table. I'd rather stick with what we've got, than a knee jerk impatient panic. (And the yes no thread indicates 75% of those responding agree). Oh, one more thing.... How on earth is "We should get Wilder in quickly while he is available" not advocating for him? If you're convinced enough to write it on here, at least have the courage to stand up for your opinion. I think you'll find, I haven't said anywhere that we "should get him in"? I was defending his record. Apologies, You’re right. I mixed you up with ChrisKamarasPerm. Sorry!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 19:12:05 GMT
I think you'll find, I haven't said anywhere that we "should get him in"? I was defending his record. Apologies, You’re right. I mixed you up with ChrisKamarasPerm. Sorry! Fair play 👍
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 14, 2021 19:13:40 GMT
We are averaging a point a game for the past 20 games. That is relegation form and would have had us finish next to bottom last season if repeated across all games. If MON can’t do something about it soon, he has to go I’m afraid or are we yet again going to go into a new season with a failing manager Tony pulis is available
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 14, 2021 19:29:49 GMT
What’s the relevance of 22 games?
Why are we using this as a starting point, and why are we including two cup games against two of the best teams in the country?
It’s actually 6 wins in the last 22 league matches.
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Post by datguy on Mar 14, 2021 19:32:26 GMT
What’s the relevance of 22 games?
Why are we using this as a starting point, and why are we including two cup games against two of the best teams in the country? It’s actually 6 wins in the last 22 league matches. We've got 4 wins in that period. That's the relevance.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 14, 2021 19:39:06 GMT
What’s the relevance of 22 games?
Why are we using this as a starting point, and why are we including two cup games against two of the best teams in the country? It’s actually 6 wins in the last 22 league matches. We've got 4 wins in that period. That's the relevance. Irrelevant then.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 14, 2021 19:59:12 GMT
I can see a 'transition' happening and it's as follows (I'm being kind of jokey..sort of)
Last season - Great escape.. lots of goals.. miraculous almost
1st third of this season - Up there near the top.. not many goals though.. possibly flattering to deceive and definitely not as good as last season to watch
Post Campbell injury - hard to score against and can't score.. ridiculous amount of boring draws and virtually no wins
More recently ( after a poster on here inadvisably informed me we hadn't lost 2 in a row all season ) - won 1 lost 4.. plus shipped a few goals and now in negative goal difference.
I reckon MoN needs to redefine his definition of 'transition' and get things back on track before the transition we seem to be really undergoing becomes more deep rooted!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 15, 2021 0:59:59 GMT
We've got 4 wins in that period. That's the relevance. Irrelevant then. ROFL Next someone one will say “excluding 8 minutes, we haven’t scored a goal in the last 10 years”
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