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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2021 6:15:12 GMT
Good appointment or bad appointment I don’t share the disdain for him He was the one who took the dressing room on You don't take a dressing room on when you're in a relegation dogfight. You need EVERYONE on side. He tried to get that initially but he soon realised a few were taking the piss and were disruptive to the group
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 25, 2021 7:30:21 GMT
The moment he was appointed my heart sank, I knew the board had fecked it up big time and consigned us to certain relegation.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 25, 2021 7:34:54 GMT
Lambert, Rowett and Jones were all appointed as a result of Coates obsession with projecting Stoke as a meat n potatoes club and city. Don’t want any of those fancy sauces, ingredients or chefs. Maybe he thinks he’s pushed the boat out by appointing a manager from overseas in O’Neill, even if it’s just the Irish Sea Jones was anything but a meat and a potatoes manager. No stodgy Brit manager is going to play 41212. Shame he was a bit wank.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 25, 2021 13:23:52 GMT
Good appointment or bad appointment I don’t share the disdain for him He was the one who took the dressing room on I remember not long ago, Charlie Adam was reminiscing and almost mocking the fact that Lambert was showing motivational videos to try and get the Stoke players up for games, whilst saying he wasn’t really paying attention to them. It has left a pretty sad image of the final premier league weeks of a manager trying desperately to get his players up for the fight and a bunch of over payed players laughing at the idea to try something to get out of the shit we were in. Says all you need to know about the overpaid underperforming wankers
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 25, 2021 13:54:45 GMT
He should've banged the boardroom door down and demanded a striker, the fact was he was just too much of a yes man who was just happy to be in the job.
IF he'd gone out and signed a striker, we would probably have found at least a couple of draws were turned in to wins.
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Post by skip on Jan 25, 2021 14:07:46 GMT
My youngest nipper still refers to Lambert as "cheeky Lambo", a reference to Lamborghinis. He is being sarcastic in terms of panache and performance. So, a lad who at the time of Lambert's appointment was ten (but obsessed with football) could see it wasn't exactly working out as hoped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 14:18:37 GMT
He should've banged the boardroom door down and demanded a striker, the fact was he was just too much of a yes man who was just happy to be in the job. IF he'd gone out and signed a striker, we would probably have found at least a couple of draws were turned in to wins. If I remember correctly that's more or less exactly what he did. He asked for a meeting with John Coates after the season was over and demanded that he be given a set sum so he could buy players immediately. At this point, just the day after the season had ended, the board had not yet decided whether to renew his contract or not. He was insistent, which JC didn't like and so he fired PL on the spot.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 25, 2021 14:50:29 GMT
He should've banged the boardroom door down and demanded a striker, the fact was he was just too much of a yes man who was just happy to be in the job. IF he'd gone out and signed a striker, we would probably have found at least a couple of draws were turned in to wins. If I remember correctly that's more or less exactly what he did. He asked for a meeting with John Coates after the season was over and demanded that he be given a set sum so he could buy players immediately. At this point, just the day after the season had ended, the board had not yet decided whether to renew his contract or not. He was insistent, which JC didn't like and so he fired PL on the spot. Too late by then regardless, I meant in the January.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2021 15:20:32 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jan 25, 2021 15:29:17 GMT
I can remember at the time texting my mate “Paul Fucking Lambert”, angry face, got a text back from work asking who’s Paul Lambert ??
Obviously in my anger not checked who I was sending the text to
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Post by flea79 on Jan 25, 2021 15:32:50 GMT
the most uninspiring and insipid managerial signing ever, the moment he was announced i knew it was over in the prem
an absolute fraud and lives up to the name shambert
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 25, 2021 15:33:05 GMT
My memory is he was quite good at producing teams which nearly didn't lose
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:12:21 GMT
If I remember correctly that's more or less exactly what he did. He asked for a meeting with John Coates after the season was over and demanded that he be given a set sum so he could buy players immediately. At this point, just the day after the season had ended, the board had not yet decided whether to renew his contract or not. He was insistent, which JC didn't like and so he fired PL on the spot. Too late by then regardless, I meant in the January. OK. That would have been too early, because coming in, he didn't know the players, but on reputation he thought he had a fantastic squad. H was wrong.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 25, 2021 16:48:13 GMT
He arrived because we had been turned down by the 3 favourites. First Flores then Rowett who both used the opportunity to better their contracts at Espanyol and Derby respectively. Then Martin O’Neill declared not interested. Lambert was scraping the barrel for sure but it was either him or nothing. He inherited a complete shit storm of a squad with players not turning up to play or train on time and doing the minimum. We had our 3 most expensive players either out on loan or not interested. He had no choice but to “take on the dressing room" to instil some semblance of discipline. I’m sure he tried his best but wasn’t good enough but he was not to blame for relegation. In my opinion that accolade goes to Hughes and his shit signings in the last couple of years.
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Post by onionman on Jan 25, 2021 17:12:16 GMT
Doing a great job at Ipswich in League 1 (not !!) It will remain forever a moment I will never forget (too young for President Kennedy's assassination but remember where I was when Lady Diana died) when I heard we had appointed him and quite simply could not believe how shite a decision it was. I remain convinced that we could have stayed up with the right appointment and that Lambert is up there with Chic Bates as one of the worst 'in the moment' managerial decisions the club has ever made. The announcement actually came on Blue Monday, which is supposed to be statistically the most depressing day of the year, even without the breaking news that a proven incompetent buffoon has been selected to try to turn your relegation haunted bunch of overpaid misfits into a coherent outfit. I found out by opening a Tweet from Martin Spinks which bizarrely said “good news at last - Stoke confirm Paul Lambert as new manager”. I think you could pinpoint that exact millisecond as statistically the most depressing moment of my football supporting life. There have been bigger lows on the face of it, but at least it has usually been sunny whenever we get relegated and there is the summer to look forward to. There was nothing bright about the day Lambert was announced. I was actually driving to work at a job that I hated as well. On a Monday, and it was raining.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 17:42:51 GMT
He arrived because we had been turned down by the 3 favourites. First Flores then Rowett who both used the opportunity to better their contracts at Espanyol and Derby respectively. Then Martin O’Neill declared not interested. Lambert was scraping the barrel for sure but it was either him or nothing. He inherited a complete shit storm of a squad with players not turning up to play or train on time and doing the minimum. We had our 3 most expensive players either out on loan or not interested. He had no choice but to “take on the dressing room" to instil some semblance of discipline. I’m sure he tried his best but wasn’t good enough but he was not to blame for relegation. In my opinion that accolade goes to Hughes and his shit signings in the last couple of years. It was only ‘him or nothing’ because our owners have all the vision and imagination of a rich tea biscuit.
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Post by robstokie on Jan 25, 2021 18:11:35 GMT
The moment he was appointed my heart sank, I knew the board had fecked it up big time and consigned us to certain relegation. Looking back, even knowing how risk averse, dithery and uninspiring the board are, it was an awful, awful appointment without reason, our situation at the time was salvagable, and plenty of decent managers were wanting to come - Potter would have swam from Sweden if the rumours were true, and Sanchez Flores was nailed on until we either tried penny pinching and/or he realised the pair of utter clowns he had to work under in Scholes and Cartwright. So we ended up hiring the first desperate wannabe who would be so grateful for the opportunity that they wouldn't ruffle any feathers upstairs and I personally resigned myself to the fact we would be going down. If you think about it, and this is pretty frightening, the process hasn't really changed for recruitment of managers (and players since then - we still stockpile old uninspiring plodders) since then - despite Lambert and the following 2 managers being unmitigated disaster appointments. Even the MON appointment looks to be of the process - youngish (for a manager), never managed with these expectations or indeed at this level before, British of course (cheeky bet on the next manager being British too anyone?) - but, for once, they've lucked out.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 25, 2021 18:21:37 GMT
Didn’t he win his first game Huddersfield? This place thought he was a genius that evening..,
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 19:02:19 GMT
Didn’t he win his first game Huddersfield? This place thought he was a genius that evening.., Yeah, it’s almost like it’s possible to change your mind when presented with more evidence. Witchcraft, isn’t it?
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 25, 2021 19:13:16 GMT
Didn’t he win his first game Huddersfield? This place thought he was a genius that evening.., Yes and then didn’t win another until we were relegated about thirteen games later. He’s right up there with the big hitters - Kamara, Ball, Jones - as one of the worst we’ve ever had
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 25, 2021 19:48:08 GMT
Didn’t he win his first game Huddersfield? This place thought he was a genius that evening.., Yeah, it’s almost like it’s possible to change your mind when presented with more evidence. Witchcraft, isn’t it? What’s your point?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 20:27:58 GMT
Yeah, it’s almost like it’s possible to change your mind when presented with more evidence. Witchcraft, isn’t it? What’s your point? What was yours?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 25, 2021 21:43:37 GMT
The rumour was at the time that when Quique bottled it and turned us down, another top European manager approached us . . . and we decided Paul Lambert was the best option. Craziness. Not a bad man but even he must've been shocked when he got the phone call saying he got the job. Suicidal appointment and we would've been better placed with Hughes. Who was the other top European manager?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 26, 2021 8:00:43 GMT
I find it a bit strange that many fans say that Hughes should have stayed when many now say he should have gone at the end of the previous season when we were in decline. Hind sight is that wonderful art that allows you to put things right after the event has occurred.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 26, 2021 9:02:51 GMT
Didn’t he win his first game Huddersfield? This place thought he was a genius that evening.., Because Huddersfield were absolutely pathetic making our relegation all the more insane......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 10:33:57 GMT
I find it a bit strange that many fans say that Hughes should have stayed when many now say he should have gone at the end of the previous season when we were in decline. Hind sight is that wonderful art that allows you to put things right after the event has occurred. He should not have gone. He should have had enough credit in the bank to have been allowed to rebuild the team. Let's face it many of the youngsters that are now lighting up the first team were signed on his watch. He might not have had much/anything to do with them personally, but that's why he was good at delegating, to Jennings, Russell, and others. But the board allowed themselves to be swayed by popular pressure. Of course there were other factors, a number of poor/bad signings and sales had brought a poor atmosphere to the dressing room. Results were poor, but they had been before and he had managed to turn things around. We will never know what might have happened, had he stayed, but it's a fact that we did better with him and we did worse without him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:24:04 GMT
He arrived because we had been turned down by the 3 favourites. First Flores then Rowett who both used the opportunity to better their contracts at Espanyol and Derby respectively. Then Martin O’Neill declared not interested. Lambert was scraping the barrel for sure but it was either him or nothing. He inherited a complete shit storm of a squad with players not turning up to play or train on time and doing the minimum. We had our 3 most expensive players either out on loan or not interested. He had no choice but to “take on the dressing room" to instil some semblance of discipline. I’m sure he tried his best but wasn’t good enough but he was not to blame for relegation. In my opinion that accolade goes to Hughes and his shit signings in the last couple of years. It was only ‘him or nothing’ because our owners have all the vision and imagination of a rich tea biscuit. Oh what we'd give for a chocolate Hobnob.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 27, 2021 10:57:28 GMT
Pauls quote after last nights Ipswich defeat 'Brilliant. Really good. The fight. Everything was there. There was nothing in the game'
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 11:04:35 GMT
I have fond feelings toward Lambert, I think we looked better under him than we had and the fact the club acted too late wasn't his fault at the end of the day.
Throughout Hughes' time we always had the issue of lacking a proper striker for me (Odemwingie a brief exception), but it was never more apparent than that final season.
In that January, failing to sign a striker was what condemned us to relegation, not Charlie Adam and not Paul Lambert.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 27, 2021 13:35:34 GMT
I personally can't hate him in the way some of you lot clearly do. He took an an absolutely poisonous dressing room that was shipping goals for fun and actually got them playing again. The fact is, we had utter dross up front. We had nothing. Then we had the madness of Charlie and Butland throwing games away for us.
We didn't go down because of Paul Lambert.
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