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Post by mrcoke on Jun 22, 2023 14:10:25 GMT
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Post by drfootball on Jun 22, 2023 14:26:52 GMT
Look at the woman signing Biden for the deaf, the image looks like she`s saying he`s had a drink.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2023 15:06:17 GMT
You just have to look at how Sunak started his speech when asked questions today. It was disjointed and unnatural until he got to the talking points that he had rehearsed and into his stride. All speakers do this. Has anyone ever watched a full debate/a rally? They are usually awful up until the points that the individual has rehearsed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2023 15:19:10 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jun 28, 2023 15:44:34 GMT
It's quite sad to watch to be honest. A man of his age and all these fumbles and falls. I can't be the only one to think he maybe has dementia or something? He just doesn't seem that sharp.
I'm not sure if the videos of him are taken out of context or anything but seems to regularly say the wrong stuff, far too often for it to be out of context. Swear he was banging on about black and tans in Ireland in reference to Ireland beating the all blacks for god sake lol.
Just doesn't seem fit enough for the job in my opinion. When is the next USA election? Surely he isn't standing?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 28, 2023 15:51:50 GMT
If I were going to place a bet it would be on Ron DiSantis. I cant see Trump being allowed to run for President and Joe isnt up to the job for the democrats
Im saying this as an Englishman who doesn't really know US politics as well as some on here
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Post by Northy on Jun 29, 2023 7:28:59 GMT
He should be in a home with a nurse wiping his mouth clean from his dinner.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2023 11:00:44 GMT
It's quite sad to watch to be honest. A man of his age and all these fumbles and falls. I can't be the only one to think he maybe has dementia or something? He just doesn't seem that sharp. I'm not sure if the videos of him are taken out of context or anything but seems to regularly say the wrong stuff, far too often for it to be out of context. Swear he was banging on about black and tans in Ireland in reference to Ireland beating the all blacks for god sake lol. Just doesn't seem fit enough for the job in my opinion. When is the next USA election? Surely he isn't standing? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president. âAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez for presidentâ Gawa, you canât go on about someone getting things regularly wrong and then hope that the female, Democratic Trump is President. Sheâs even had CNN call her out for how frequently she âmakes mistakesâ about facts and statistics when they suit her.
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Post by gawa on Jun 29, 2023 11:08:44 GMT
It's quite sad to watch to be honest. A man of his age and all these fumbles and falls. I can't be the only one to think he maybe has dementia or something? He just doesn't seem that sharp. I'm not sure if the videos of him are taken out of context or anything but seems to regularly say the wrong stuff, far too often for it to be out of context. Swear he was banging on about black and tans in Ireland in reference to Ireland beating the all blacks for god sake lol. Just doesn't seem fit enough for the job in my opinion. When is the next USA election? Surely he isn't standing? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president. âAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez for presidentâ Gawa, you canât go on about someone getting things regularly wrong and then hope that the female, Democratic Trump is President. Sheâs even had CNN call her out for how frequently she âmakes mistakesâ about facts and statistics when they suit her. I'll stand corrected as I really don't follow US politics at all. I just remember her being a boss bitch a few years ago lol. I'm a Bernie fan though.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2023 11:16:16 GMT
âAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez for presidentâ Gawa, you canât go on about someone getting things regularly wrong and then hope that the female, Democratic Trump is President. Sheâs even had CNN call her out for how frequently she âmakes mistakesâ about facts and statistics when they suit her. I'll stand corrected as I really don't follow US politics at all. I just remember her being a boss bitch a few years ago lol. I'm a Bernie fan though. I think sheâs all talk and little, actual substance. I get that you are a Bernie fan but he was a trailblazer in the whitest of middle class States. Thereâs a reason why he isnât selected to go the distance and the same is true, to a much greater extent of AOC. Biden, for all of his faults, has put through a $1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Thatâs progressive. AOC would be fought every step of the way and would have had no chance in getting a majority in either house never mind pushing through such a huge bill.
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Post by gawa on Jun 29, 2023 11:27:37 GMT
I'll stand corrected as I really don't follow US politics at all. I just remember her being a boss bitch a few years ago lol. I'm a Bernie fan though. I think sheâs all talk and little, actual substance. I get that you are a Bernie fan but he was a trailblazer in the whitest of middle class States. Thereâs a reason why he isnât selected to go the distance and the same is true, to a much greater extent of AOC. Biden, for all of his faults, has put through a $1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Thatâs progressive. AOC would be fought every step of the way and would have had no chance in getting a majority in either house never mind pushing through such a huge bill. I'm not opposed to Biden or have anything against him. But it does seem like there's loads of videos of him muddling up his words on the regular nowadays. So it does make me query his health and whether he is fit enough for the position. And it's clearly something which the republicans will be attacking at the time of an election too. Not sure if he's the best candidate for the Democrats to stand again.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2023 11:37:50 GMT
I think sheâs all talk and little, actual substance. I get that you are a Bernie fan but he was a trailblazer in the whitest of middle class States. Thereâs a reason why he isnât selected to go the distance and the same is true, to a much greater extent of AOC. Biden, for all of his faults, has put through a $1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill. Thatâs progressive. AOC would be fought every step of the way and would have had no chance in getting a majority in either house never mind pushing through such a huge bill. I'm not opposed to Biden or have anything against him. But it does seem like there's loads of videos of him muddling up his words on the regular nowadays. So it does make me query his health and whether he is fit enough for the position. And it's clearly something which the republicans will be attacking at the time of an election too. Not sure if he's the best candidate for the Democrats to stand again. Agreed r.e. videos. However, the content from his non-scripted fundraisers donât suggest the same. As Iâve said before, he has a speech impediment and I do believe that this plays into mistakes a lot. Unfortunately for Democrats, one of the next viable candidates is Kennedy: another older white man last seen on the campaign trail doing push ups while topless. Seemed kind of Putin-esque to me. I think a lot of hope has been placed on Buttegieg but he hasnât exactly been in a position to excel in the cabinet.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 29, 2023 17:09:26 GMT
I'm not opposed to Biden or have anything against him. But it does seem like there's loads of videos of him muddling up his words on the regular nowadays. So it does make me query his health and whether he is fit enough for the position. And it's clearly something which the republicans will be attacking at the time of an election too. Not sure if he's the best candidate for the Democrats to stand again. Agreed r.e. videos. However, the content from his non-scripted fundraisers donât suggest the same. As Iâve said before, he has a speech impediment and I do believe that this plays into mistakes a lot. Unfortunately for Democrats, one of the next viable candidates is Kennedy: another older white man last seen on the campaign trail doing push ups while topless. Seemed kind of Putin-esque to me. I think a lot of hope has been placed on Buttegieg but he hasnât exactly been in a position to excel in the cabinet. The Republican attacks on LGBTQ folk seem to be having some effect. Polling says more Americans now think it's "immoral" to be gay. That could really hurt Buttigieg in states that actually matter for deciding the president. Maybe someone like Jared Polis would do better. Seems like Republican campaigning leans heavily on hate and fear. Some of them seem to be trying to limit it to trans people but it seems they lost control and now the enemy are open LGBT folk in general. Interesting to see it swing away from Mexicans being rapists and criminals.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2023 20:17:03 GMT
Agreed r.e. videos. However, the content from his non-scripted fundraisers donât suggest the same. As Iâve said before, he has a speech impediment and I do believe that this plays into mistakes a lot. Unfortunately for Democrats, one of the next viable candidates is Kennedy: another older white man last seen on the campaign trail doing push ups while topless. Seemed kind of Putin-esque to me. I think a lot of hope has been placed on Buttegieg but he hasnât exactly been in a position to excel in the cabinet. The Republican attacks on LGBTQ folk seem to be having some effect. Polling says more Americans now think it's "immoral" to be gay. That could really hurt Buttigieg in states that actually matter for deciding the president. Maybe someone like Jared Polis would do better. Seems like Republican campaigning leans heavily on hate and fear. Some of them seem to be trying to limit it to trans people but it seems they lost control and now the enemy are open LGBT folk in general. Interesting to see it swing away from Mexicans being rapists and criminals. Jared Polis is also openly gay. Why do you think he may do better? With Buttigieg, he has the benefit of serving with the honor of a medal as well. He can lean into that heavily and while there is that issue about homosexuality again, the same Americans also love their vets. He may well never make it but I see him as the best chance of getting a homosexual into office to be honest. Thatâs not really a priority for me but I do think it would be a good sign of social progress.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 29, 2023 22:41:45 GMT
Jared Polis is also openly gay. Why do you think he may do better? With Buttigieg, he has the benefit of serving with the honor of a medal as well. He can lean into that heavily and while there is that issue about homosexuality again, the same Americans also love their vets. He may well never make it but I see him as the best chance of getting a homosexual into office to be honest. Thatâs not really a priority for me but I do think it would be a good sign of social progress. Lol I literally just forgot Polis is gay so I take it back. Polis seems to be doing stuff the Republican party hates but where it's hard to get voters outraged. Things like letting farmers fix their own tractors. He's also associated with Colorado rather than California or NY and hatred of California is one of the litmus tests I've encountered a lot in other states so I think it'd be a real risk. I can't think of any Democrats who would tick all the boxes needed to be a safe bet. My smart friend wanted Liz Warren last time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 0:20:20 GMT
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president. She is a dangerous politician. "I think there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right." Translation: "Our worldview is so morally righteous that deception is justified to advance our causes". A truly heinous mindset that has metastasized across western civilisation at a disturbing rate; helped in no small part by the most powerful corporations and vast swathes of the mainstream media supporting the type of causes that these ultra-progressives promote. It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics. When you do that, any action that advances your "superior" cause can be justified. The killing fields of history are strewn with the remnants of 10s of millions who fell at the hands of people who truly believed they were morally righteous. I know the culture war shit is so overplayed that it's basically become a parody, but people like AOC are fucking dangerous. What gets me is that, the type of people who don't see a problem with her brand of politics are also the type of people who, generally, seem quite aware of how corporations/governments/the MSM etc can operate nefariously and insidiously; and yet, when it comes to ultra woke politics, these same people never seem to stop and question just why their causes get so much powerful support. I'm baffled how this isn't a HUGE red flag for more people. How do so few people not look at who these positions are being supported by, and then not have a moment of clarity where they realise something feels "off"? But then I go back to my argument about people of this ilk having stopped viewing their politics as merely politics, and it starts to make sense why they never have that lightbulb moment... If you're looking for a female democrat of colour to tick some virtue-signalling credibility boxes then maybe look into Tulsi Gabbard. An economically progressive but socially conservative democrat who, whilst not without controversy herself (unlike many within the democrats/the left, she's been outspoken against Islamism) she definitely isn't someone I personally consider politically psychotic like AOC and her ilk. And definitely someone who is awake to the dangers of the woke pandemic infecting the west. She's also come under attack from all angles as she's against the military industrial complex. If she was british I'm sure she'd be part of the blue labour movement. She's somebody I could support. The thought of AOC as president however sends a chill down my spine. Edit: it seems Tulsi Gabbard actually left the democrats last October, I don't follow US politics closely but I always thought she was a credible candidate that also ticked many boxes that people like to see ticked, but it looks like her social conservatism (which maybe intensified in recent times) put her too much at odds with the current democratic party
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Post by wannabee on Jun 30, 2023 1:23:34 GMT
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president. She is a dangerous politician. "I think there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right." Translation: "Our worldview is so morally righteous that deception is justified to advance our causes". A truly heinous mindset that has metastasized across western civilisation at a disturbing rate; helped in no small part by the most powerful corporations and vast swathes of the mainstream media supporting the type of causes that these ultra-progressives promote. It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics. When you do that, any action that advances your "superior" cause can be justified. The killing fields of history are strewn with the remnants of 10s of millions who fell at the hands of people who truly believed they were morally righteous. I know the culture war shit is so overplayed that it's basically become a parody, but people like AOC are fucking dangerous. What gets me is that, the type of people who don't see a problem with her brand of politics are also the type of people who, generally, seem quite aware of how corporations/governments/the MSM etc can operate nefariously and insidiously; and yet, when it comes to ultra woke politics, these same people never seem to stop and question just why their causes get so much powerful support. I'm baffled how this isn't a HUGE red flag for more people. How do so few people not look at who these positions are being supported by, and then not have a moment of clarity where they realise something feels "off"? But then I go back to my argument about people of this ilk having stopped viewing their politics as merely politics, and it starts to make sense why they never have that lightbulb moment... If you're looking for a female democrat of colour to tick some virtue-signalling credibility boxes then maybe look into Tulsi Gabbard. An economically progressive but socially conservative democrat who, whilst not without controversy herself (unlike many within the democrats/the left, she's been outspoken against Islamism) she definitely isn't someone I personally consider politically psychotic like AOC and her ilk. And definitely someone who is awake to the dangers of the woke pandemic infecting the west. She's also come under attack from all angles as she's against the military industrial complex. If she was british I'm sure she'd be part of the blue labour movement. She's somebody I could support. The thought of AOC as president however sends a chill down my spine. Edit: it seems Tulsi Gabbard actually left the democrats last October, I don't follow US politics closely but I always thought she was a credible candidate that also ticked many boxes that people like to see ticked, but it looks like her social conservatism (which maybe intensified in recent times) put her too much at odds with the current democratic party That's quite the rant in response to what I suspect was a throwaway remark by GAWA, apologies if it wasn't I haven't read the thread I see you have used the same devious Bullshit of partially quoting AOC as the original culprit of doing so CNNs Chris Cillizza He attempted to justify his partial quoting to a limitation of Twitter characters which proved to be false You have no excuse for your Bullshit and the comple quote continues "And whenever I make a mistake, I say, âOK, this was clumsy.â and then I restate what my point was.â If you, like Cillizza, want to correct the record, fine, I suspect you won't I won't become too exorcised with your further rantings but the hyperbolic piece underlined stands out for particular amusement I think AOC is far more concerned with the Killing Fields of School Playgrounds than of History in her efforts to try and introduce some semblance of Gun Control in the face of crazed Republican opposition
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 2:41:51 GMT
That's quite the rant in response to what I suspect was a throwaway remark by GAWA, apologies if it wasn't I haven't read the thread I see you have used the same devious Bullshit of partially quoting AOC as the original culprit of doing so CNNs Chris Cillizza He attempted to justify his partial quoting to a limitation of Twitter characters which proved to be false You have no excuse for your Bullshit and the comple quote continues "And whenever I make a mistake, I say, âOK, this was clumsy.â and then I restate what my point was.â If you, like Cillizza, want to correct the record, fine, I suspect you won't I won't become too exorcised with your further rantings but the hyperbolic piece underlined stands out for particular amusement I think AOC is far more concerned with the Killing Fields of School Playgrounds than of History in her efforts to try and introduce some semblance of Gun Control in the face of crazed Republican opposition In a vacuum you could maybe argue it's a pernicious soundbite. It reads to me as, at best, a freudian slip that is completely inline with the political mindset that I criticise. "Our lies aren't the same as their lies because we are on the right side of history". Admittedly, maybe my "killing fields" analogy was a tad much and a misstep; not that I don't see parallels between cultish mindsets historically and currently.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 30, 2023 7:05:37 GMT
âAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez for presidentâ Gawa, you canât go on about someone getting things regularly wrong and then hope that the female, Democratic Trump is President. Sheâs even had CNN call her out for how frequently she âmakes mistakesâ about facts and statistics when they suit her. I'll stand corrected as I really don't follow US politics at all. I just remember her being a boss bitch a few years ago lol. I'm a Bernie fan though. She's the Latina Sturgeon.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 30, 2023 7:32:05 GMT
That's quite the rant in response to what I suspect was a throwaway remark by GAWA, apologies if it wasn't I haven't read the thread I see you have used the same devious Bullshit of partially quoting AOC as the original culprit of doing so CNNs Chris Cillizza He attempted to justify his partial quoting to a limitation of Twitter characters which proved to be false You have no excuse for your Bullshit and the comple quote continues "And whenever I make a mistake, I say, âOK, this was clumsy.â and then I restate what my point was.â If you, like Cillizza, want to correct the record, fine, I suspect you won't I won't become too exorcised with your further rantings but the hyperbolic piece underlined stands out for particular amusement I think AOC is far more concerned with the Killing Fields of School Playgrounds than of History in her efforts to try and introduce some semblance of Gun Control in the face of crazed Republican opposition In a vacuum you could maybe argue it's a pernicious soundbite. It reads to me as, at best, a freudian slip that is completely inline with the political mindset that I criticise. "Our lies aren't the same as their lies because we are on the right side of history". Admittedly, maybe my "killing fields" analogy was a tad much and a misstep; not that I don't see parallels between cultish mindsets historically and currently. If your going to misquote and misinterpret Shapiro it would be much better if you did so in context He frequently reverses his opinion, maybe you will too.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 30, 2023 7:49:49 GMT
If he wasn't so destructive, it would be worth keeping him in for the comedy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 8:24:40 GMT
In a vacuum you could maybe argue it's a pernicious soundbite. It reads to me as, at best, a freudian slip that is completely inline with the political mindset that I criticise. "Our lies aren't the same as their lies because we are on the right side of history". Admittedly, maybe my "killing fields" analogy was a tad much and a misstep; not that I don't see parallels between cultish mindsets historically and currently. If your going to misquote and misinterpret Shapiro it would be much better if you did so in context He frequently reverses his opinion, maybe you will too. I know who Ben Shapiro is but otherwise youâve lost me.
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Post by gawa on Jun 30, 2023 12:56:36 GMT
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for president. She is a dangerous politician. "I think there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right." Translation: "Our worldview is so morally righteous that deception is justified to advance our causes". A truly heinous mindset that has metastasized across western civilisation at a disturbing rate; helped in no small part by the most powerful corporations and vast swathes of the mainstream media supporting the type of causes that these ultra-progressives promote. It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics. When you do that, any action that advances your "superior" cause can be justified. The killing fields of history are strewn with the remnants of 10s of millions who fell at the hands of people who truly believed they were morally righteous. I know the culture war shit is so overplayed that it's basically become a parody, but people like AOC are fucking dangerous. What gets me is that, the type of people who don't see a problem with her brand of politics are also the type of people who, generally, seem quite aware of how corporations/governments/the MSM etc can operate nefariously and insidiously; and yet, when it comes to ultra woke politics, these same people never seem to stop and question just why their causes get so much powerful support. I'm baffled how this isn't a HUGE red flag for more people. How do so few people not look at who these positions are being supported by, and then not have a moment of clarity where they realise something feels "off"? But then I go back to my argument about people of this ilk having stopped viewing their politics as merely politics, and it starts to make sense why they never have that lightbulb moment... If you're looking for a female democrat of colour to tick some virtue-signalling credibility boxes then maybe look into Tulsi Gabbard. An economically progressive but socially conservative democrat who, whilst not without controversy herself (unlike many within the democrats/the left, she's been outspoken against Islamism) she definitely isn't someone I personally consider politically psychotic like AOC and her ilk. And definitely someone who is awake to the dangers of the woke pandemic infecting the west. She's also come under attack from all angles as she's against the military industrial complex. If she was british I'm sure she'd be part of the blue labour movement. She's somebody I could support. The thought of AOC as president however sends a chill down my spine. Edit: it seems Tulsi Gabbard actually left the democrats last October, I don't follow US politics closely but I always thought she was a credible candidate that also ticked many boxes that people like to see ticked, but it looks like her social conservatism (which maybe intensified in recent times) put her too much at odds with the current democratic party Where did this come from lol. I don't really follow American politics but the few times I seen her speak I thought she spoke well. But like I said I don't really follow it so happy to stand corrected. What you banging on about "looking for female of colour to tick virtue signaling credibility" - say what? I think May, Braverman, Patel and Sunak are all a group of dangerous toxic politicians I'd never vote for. All minorities in their own way too which fit this virtue signaling tick box you speak of. So this is utterly bizarre to suggest I like someone just because she's a mixed race female? Say what. My favourite politician is well known own here... and he's a middle aged white man... And then this line too "It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics." Again... what? Like actually... what? I think your post is a bit ironic tbh. As you bang on about mainstream media's influence on politics as though I'm somehow manipulated due to a 5 word comment. Yet the irony of it is that I know alot of people who don't actively follow politics and never have, and know very little on uk politics, but they're all Trump super fans despite never being interested in politics. And that's because of mainstream media's manipulation and influence. Pretty sure there was a court case recently about fox news spreading news that they knew was fake for trumps benefit due to the corporations influence on politics. Similarly we've seen the same played out in the UK recently in relation to some of the appointments in the BBC and their onka to the conseevative party and then impartiality on reporting a number of articles. They even photoshopped a Russian hat onto corbyn in the build up to his election with BoJo. Which again is something quite ironic given the drunken communist liked your post. And he was telling us all a few years ago about how corbyn is a Russian... yet very quiet now all BoJo and torys links to Russia have came out. Its as if..... wait for it... he was influenced by the... mainstream media. So I do find the whole post rather ironic. I hope you have the same passion for politics on your front door as you do for that at the other side of the world. I'd hate for your views and opinions to have been influenced by YouTube and Facebook. (It's how my aunt who knows fuck all about politics became a trump weirdo). I just find it shocking how so many people get obsessed with a rapist/sex abuser (your boy tate) or epsteins best mate and wing man who somehow allowed the super pedophilia, whose island he visited numerous times, commit suicide under his watch. What happened to all the Mexican kids that Trunp separated from his family too?
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Post by gawa on Jun 30, 2023 12:59:37 GMT
I'll stand corrected as I really don't follow US politics at all. I just remember her being a boss bitch a few years ago lol. I'm a Bernie fan though. She's the Latina Sturgeon. I don't mind our Nicola she's alright lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 15:25:40 GMT
What you banging on about "looking for female of colour to tick virtue signaling credibility" - say what? I think May, Braverman, Patel and Sunak are all a group of dangerous toxic politicians I'd never vote for. That was the one part of my post that could actually be construed as targeted at you, and it was a flippant and baseless remark. So I apologise for that one.And then this line too "It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics." Again... what? Like actually... what? This part though was clearly not referring to you, but instead referring generally to the mindset of those deep within the ultra-progressive political movement. (AOC)I think your post is a bit ironic tbh. As you bang on about mainstream media's influence on politics as though I'm somehow manipulated due to a 5 word comment. What are you on about, I didn't say this or come close to implying this. Once again I was speaking (ranting) generally here but my point was 1. not aimed specifically at you, and 2. almost the opposite to your interpretation anyway.
You definitely have a talent though for taking personal offence at things not aimed at you. (your boy tate) I wonder who'd win in a fight, my boy tate or your boy price?With hindsight maybe it was an ill-conceived late night political rant that went a long way off tangent. I probably should've just said "I'd take another 4 years of Biden deteriorating before our eyes ahead of AOC" rather than launch into some longwinded diatribe.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 30, 2023 16:28:44 GMT
She is a dangerous politician. "I think there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right." Translation: "Our worldview is so morally righteous that deception is justified to advance our causes". A truly heinous mindset that has metastasized across western civilisation at a disturbing rate; helped in no small part by the most powerful corporations and vast swathes of the mainstream media supporting the type of causes that these ultra-progressives promote. It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics. When you do that, any action that advances your "superior" cause can be justified. The killing fields of history are strewn with the remnants of 10s of millions who fell at the hands of people who truly believed they were morally righteous. I know the culture war shit is so overplayed that it's basically become a parody, but people like AOC are fucking dangerous. What gets me is that, the type of people who don't see a problem with her brand of politics are also the type of people who, generally, seem quite aware of how corporations/governments/the MSM etc can operate nefariously and insidiously; and yet, when it comes to ultra woke politics, these same people never seem to stop and question just why their causes get so much powerful support. I'm baffled how this isn't a HUGE red flag for more people. How do so few people not look at who these positions are being supported by, and then not have a moment of clarity where they realise something feels "off"? But then I go back to my argument about people of this ilk having stopped viewing their politics as merely politics, and it starts to make sense why they never have that lightbulb moment... If you're looking for a female democrat of colour to tick some virtue-signalling credibility boxes then maybe look into Tulsi Gabbard. An economically progressive but socially conservative democrat who, whilst not without controversy herself (unlike many within the democrats/the left, she's been outspoken against Islamism) she definitely isn't someone I personally consider politically psychotic like AOC and her ilk. And definitely someone who is awake to the dangers of the woke pandemic infecting the west. She's also come under attack from all angles as she's against the military industrial complex. If she was british I'm sure she'd be part of the blue labour movement. She's somebody I could support. The thought of AOC as president however sends a chill down my spine. Edit: it seems Tulsi Gabbard actually left the democrats last October, I don't follow US politics closely but I always thought she was a credible candidate that also ticked many boxes that people like to see ticked, but it looks like her social conservatism (which maybe intensified in recent times) put her too much at odds with the current democratic party Where did this come from lol. I don't really follow American politics but the few times I seen her speak I thought she spoke well. But like I said I don't really follow it so happy to stand corrected. What you banging on about "looking for female of colour to tick virtue signaling credibility" - say what? I think May, Braverman, Patel and Sunak are all a group of dangerous toxic politicians I'd never vote for. All minorities in their own way too which fit this virtue signaling tick box you speak of. So this is utterly bizarre to suggest I like someone just because she's a mixed race female? Say what. My favourite politician is well known own here... and he's a middle aged white man... And then this line too "It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics." Again... what? Like actually... what? I think your post is a bit ironic tbh. As you bang on about mainstream media's influence on politics as though I'm somehow manipulated due to a 5 word comment. Yet the irony of it is that I know alot of people who don't actively follow politics and never have, and know very little on uk politics, but they're all Trump super fans despite never being interested in politics. And that's because of mainstream media's manipulation and influence. Pretty sure there was a court case recently about fox news spreading news that they knew was fake for trumps benefit due to the corporations influence on politics. Similarly we've seen the same played out in the UK recently in relation to some of the appointments in the BBC and their onka to the conseevative party and then impartiality on reporting a number of articles. They even photoshopped a Russian hat onto corbyn in the build up to his election with BoJo. Which again is something quite ironic given the drunken communist liked your post. And he was telling us all a few years ago about how corbyn is a Russian... yet very quiet now all BoJo and torys links to Russia have came out. Its as if..... wait for it... he was influenced by the... mainstream media. So I do find the whole post rather ironic. I hope you have the same passion for politics on your front door as you do for that at the other side of the world. I'd hate for your views and opinions to have been influenced by YouTube and Facebook. (It's how my aunt who knows fuck all about politics became a trump weirdo). I just find it shocking how so many people get obsessed with a rapist/sex abuser (your boy tate) or epsteins best mate and wing man who somehow allowed the super pedophilia, whose island he visited numerous times, commit suicide under his watch. What happened to all the Mexican kids that Trunp separated from his family too? To be fair, I think that every single one of us is influenced by the MSM (of which Fox is certainly a part of). A friend said to me the other day that: âyou watch CNN to find out why Marjorie Taylor Greene is evil and you watch Fox to find out about AOCâ. When you go online, itâs an algorithmâs purpose to send you down a rabbit hole and to keep you there. It doesnât matter if that is not really a good reflection of the dayâs events or not as long as you keep trafficking that site or itâs sponsored links.
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Post by gawa on Jun 30, 2023 16:28:56 GMT
What you banging on about "looking for female of colour to tick virtue signaling credibility" - say what? I think May, Braverman, Patel and Sunak are all a group of dangerous toxic politicians I'd never vote for. That was the one part of my post that could actually be construed as targeted at you, and it was a flippant and baseless remark. So I apologise for that one.And then this line too "It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics." Again... what? Like actually... what? This part though was clearly not referring to you, but instead referring generally to the mindset of those deep within the ultra-progressive political movement. (AOC)I think your post is a bit ironic tbh. As you bang on about mainstream media's influence on politics as though I'm somehow manipulated due to a 5 word comment. What are you on about, I didn't say this or come close to implying this. Once again I was speaking (ranting) generally here but my point was 1. not aimed specifically at you, and 2. almost the opposite to your interpretation anyway.
You definitely have a talent though for taking personal offence at things not aimed at you. (your boy tate) I wonder who'd win in a fight, my boy tate or your boy price?With hindsight maybe it was an ill-conceived late night political rant that went a long way off tangent. I probably should've just said "I'd take another 4 years of Biden deteriorating before our eyes ahead of AOC" rather than launch into some longwinded diatribe. No don't apologise because I rant too and it was a coherent rant and your passionate about it and believe it. So stay true to yourself. I got a bit personal because I thought it was directed at me because you quoted my post. On hindsight you're speaking a out AOC in general and I don't know enough on her to properly counter your argument. Other people aren't fans of her on both sides of the divide it appears. You seem more knowledgeable than me on US politics so i ain't gonna contest it. I was just contesting the stuff which I thought was aimed at me and on hindsight it seems it wasn't. Who is price? My favourite politician is corbyn so that's who I was referring to. I would like to think Tate would beat Corbyn in a fight. I actually bought into Trump when he first came about and wanted him to win the election as I thought someone with real life business experience rather than a journeyman politician may be able to bring about change and do things differently, and that they could have brought through radical reform. I change my mind not long after though when it seemed his focus was more on creating some sort of cult that thrived of creating culture wars, pushing random conspiracies (pizza gate etc..) and inciting hatred and division. And it wasn't long after that the uk seemed to follow suit with the same shite. Sure they just recently changed election rules so only the young have to show Id because of made up "voter fraud". Straight from the trump handbook that one. It's pathetic and its childish playground shite.
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Post by gawa on Jun 30, 2023 16:37:27 GMT
Where did this come from lol. I don't really follow American politics but the few times I seen her speak I thought she spoke well. But like I said I don't really follow it so happy to stand corrected. What you banging on about "looking for female of colour to tick virtue signaling credibility" - say what? I think May, Braverman, Patel and Sunak are all a group of dangerous toxic politicians I'd never vote for. All minorities in their own way too which fit this virtue signaling tick box you speak of. So this is utterly bizarre to suggest I like someone just because she's a mixed race female? Say what. My favourite politician is well known own here... and he's a middle aged white man... And then this line too "It's the ultimate political narcissism; to stop considering your politics as merely politics." Again... what? Like actually... what? I think your post is a bit ironic tbh. As you bang on about mainstream media's influence on politics as though I'm somehow manipulated due to a 5 word comment. Yet the irony of it is that I know alot of people who don't actively follow politics and never have, and know very little on uk politics, but they're all Trump super fans despite never being interested in politics. And that's because of mainstream media's manipulation and influence. Pretty sure there was a court case recently about fox news spreading news that they knew was fake for trumps benefit due to the corporations influence on politics. Similarly we've seen the same played out in the UK recently in relation to some of the appointments in the BBC and their onka to the conseevative party and then impartiality on reporting a number of articles. They even photoshopped a Russian hat onto corbyn in the build up to his election with BoJo. Which again is something quite ironic given the drunken communist liked your post. And he was telling us all a few years ago about how corbyn is a Russian... yet very quiet now all BoJo and torys links to Russia have came out. Its as if..... wait for it... he was influenced by the... mainstream media. So I do find the whole post rather ironic. I hope you have the same passion for politics on your front door as you do for that at the other side of the world. I'd hate for your views and opinions to have been influenced by YouTube and Facebook. (It's how my aunt who knows fuck all about politics became a trump weirdo). I just find it shocking how so many people get obsessed with a rapist/sex abuser (your boy tate) or epsteins best mate and wing man who somehow allowed the super pedophilia, whose island he visited numerous times, commit suicide under his watch. What happened to all the Mexican kids that Trunp separated from his family too? To be fair, I think that every single one of us is influenced by the MSM (of which Fox is certainly a part of). A friend said to me the other day that: âyou watch CNN to find out why Marjorie Taylor Greene is evil and you watch Fox to find out about AOCâ. When you go online, itâs an algorithmâs purpose to send you down a rabbit hole and to keep you there. It doesnât matter if that is not really a good reflection of the dayâs events or not as long as you keep trafficking that site or itâs sponsored links. I agree 100% we're all influenced by the media we consume, the people we interact with and where we live. I wouldn't know of AOC if it wasn't for something I've read or watched online before. And I wouldn't know half the crap boris did if it wasn't reported in the press either. I know if I read guardian or mirror it's going to have a left bias. And same goes if I read times or mail to the right. Twitter and reddit is a bit more to the left. Facebook and YouTube a bit more to the right imo. But some people who have never followed politics literally think Donald Trump is some sort of god here to save us from the new world order/illuminati. And the elite are all out to get him and its one huge conspiracy. If trumps the guy to go up against the system then you'd think the ones which have the most influence over the system and are running it in the background are those who benefit the most from it. You know the super wealthy billionaires. But like Boris the biggest threat in their opinion is actually Mexicans or Albanians. So is that who the illuminati that Trump is saving our children from? The dangerous immigrants who secretly control the world with everyone else their puppets. And those billionaires getting their tax breaks from Trump (who doesn't have the best record of paying tax either) are the regular Joe's that are being saved from this dangerous new world order? He just speaks a load of shit in my opinion. And it's very much a weird cult in my opinion again. I just don't get it. Everything's a conspiracy and everyone's a liar in it to get Trump out because he's this massive danger. The same shite people try to say about Johnson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2023 17:03:05 GMT
No don't apologise because I rant too and it was a coherent rant and your passionate about it and believe it. So stay true to yourself. I got a bit personal because I thought it was directed at me because you quoted my post. On hindsight you're speaking a out AOC in general and I don't know enough on her to properly counter your argument. Other people aren't fans of her on both sides of the divide it appears. You seem more knowledgeable than me on US politics so i ain't gonna contest it. I was just contesting the stuff which I thought was aimed at me and on hindsight it seems it wasn't. Who is price? My favourite politician is corbyn so that's who I was referring to. I would like to think Tate would beat Corbyn in a fight. I actually bought into Trump when he first came about and wanted him to win the election as I thought someone with real life business experience rather than a journeyman politician may be able to bring about change and do things differently, and that they could have brought through radical reform. I change my mind not long after though when it seemed his focus was more on creating some sort of cult that thrived of creating culture wars, pushing random conspiracies (pizza gate etc..) and inciting hatred and division. And it wasn't long after that the uk seemed to follow suit with the same shite. Sure they just recently changed election rules so only the young have to show Id because of made up "voter fraud". Straight from the trump handbook that one. It's pathetic and its childish playground shite. Fair enough mate. And ye the bulk of the post definitely wasnât aimed at you, I just saw the name AOC and it was like dropping some pennies into my diatribe meter and I went off on one. I was actually going to write âcalling corbyn âmiddle-agedâ is generousâ but was kind of guessing it was corbyn you were referring to and didnât want to be misconstrued if I was way off the markâŚbut now I regret not just going for it đ
I have had some issues with him but the way the right wing press went in on him at the last GE was disturbing And just to clarify, I think trump is a dangerous man. Heâs an actual narcissist, and theyâre not suitable for political positions (even though theyâre probably over represented in politicsâŚ) I can see the perverted allure though. Maybe people with 0 interest in politics are the ones who are so alienated that, when the opportunity of throwing a grenade like trump into the mix presents itself, they throw it. Itâs a spectacle if nothing else but the novelty wears off quick.
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Post by gawa on Jun 30, 2023 17:50:03 GMT
No don't apologise because I rant too and it was a coherent rant and your passionate about it and believe it. So stay true to yourself. I got a bit personal because I thought it was directed at me because you quoted my post. On hindsight you're speaking a out AOC in general and I don't know enough on her to properly counter your argument. Other people aren't fans of her on both sides of the divide it appears. You seem more knowledgeable than me on US politics so i ain't gonna contest it. I was just contesting the stuff which I thought was aimed at me and on hindsight it seems it wasn't. Who is price? My favourite politician is corbyn so that's who I was referring to. I would like to think Tate would beat Corbyn in a fight. I actually bought into Trump when he first came about and wanted him to win the election as I thought someone with real life business experience rather than a journeyman politician may be able to bring about change and do things differently, and that they could have brought through radical reform. I change my mind not long after though when it seemed his focus was more on creating some sort of cult that thrived of creating culture wars, pushing random conspiracies (pizza gate etc..) and inciting hatred and division. And it wasn't long after that the uk seemed to follow suit with the same shite. Sure they just recently changed election rules so only the young have to show Id because of made up "voter fraud". Straight from the trump handbook that one. It's pathetic and its childish playground shite. Fair enough mate. And ye the bulk of the post definitely wasnât aimed at you, I just saw the name AOC and it was like dropping some pennies into my diatribe meter and I went off on one. I was actually going to write âcalling corbyn âmiddle-agedâ is generousâ but was kind of guessing it was corbyn you were referring to and didnât want to be misconstrued if I was way off the markâŚbut now I regret not just going for it đ
I have had some issues with him but the way the right wing press went in on him at the last GE was disturbing And just to clarify, I think trump is a dangerous man. Heâs an actual narcissist, and theyâre not suitable for political positions (even though theyâre probably over represented in politicsâŚ) I can see the perverted allure though. Maybe people with 0 interest in politics are the ones who are so alienated that, when the opportunity of throwing a grenade like trump into the mix presents itself, they throw it. Itâs a spectacle if nothing else but the novelty wears off quick. You should post more about politics. I like getting different perspectives and I think you present them quite well. Not sure how much you follow uk politics and not sure where you stand on it either but it's good to get different opinions. I really don't follow USA politics in any depth so I do feel out of my depth commenting on it. Obviously I don't get trump as said but you raise a good point in relation to him appealing to a group of people disillusioned from politics. And whether I agree with their views or not, its good to see people taking interest. In relation to my tate dig, I'm sorry for that as I don't knows the ins and outs. I actually get some of his points though, some of the controversial ones. There's one in relation to women taking responsibility for rape or something. Now if you say that it does sound wrong and is victim blaming. And it's easy to swing a discussion in that direction. However I don't know the context in which tate said it. I just heard a clip on radio 2 as it was discussed a few weeks ago when driving. Thinking outside the box I can see where he may come from in relation to how our own actions will influence things to. If you lock yourself in a room that night you're unlikely to be raped. That's basic logic. So with regards to whatever he precisely said about women and rape. I can get that logically alot of things have to happen for a rape to occur and if the person went to a different club, didn't dance to a particular song, got a different taxi driver... whatever the situation. Doing one single thing different could very well change the outcome. Where I disagree is that while that could be interpreted as logical. In the scenario of rape though I don't think the focus should be on what the victim should do differently. Anyway I'm rambling and not really sure where I'm going with this all.
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