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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:24 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. The reason I asked is he never seems to get on the end of much for such a big unit I've thought the same mate
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Post by stantheman on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:38 GMT
Joe Allen poor again. If only the subs had been made on 60 mins I thought Joe did ok mate opinions hey š¤·āāļø And I thought Mikel wasnt as bad as people are making out, so what do we know! š
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:56 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. That's a Nepalling stat Very good. šš
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 22, 2021 22:42:10 GMT
Mikel has looked off the pace since he came back from injury. Very poor tonight. Needs a rest, badly. He needs dropping on performance levels, getting a bit tired myself of these used to be good players we need to stop signing over the hill has beens and relying on them to play 90 mins. every game.
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Post by franklin on Jan 22, 2021 22:42:11 GMT
I thought Joe did ok mate opinions hey š¤·āāļø And I thought Mikel wasnt as bad as people are making out, so what do we know! š He wasnt for 60mins then he runs out of steam.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 22, 2021 22:46:06 GMT
And I thought Mikel wasnt as bad as people are making out, so what do we know! š He wasnt for 60mins then he runs out of steam. You would have hoped our manager might have noticed that trend after all that is what he gets paid for !
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Post by franklin on Jan 22, 2021 22:49:00 GMT
He wasnt for 60mins then he runs out of steam. You would have hoped our manager might have noticed that trend after all that is what he gets paid for ! I'm losing what bit of goodwill I had for him.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 22, 2021 22:49:13 GMT
Weāre stuffed thanks to FFP and Campbellās injury which means we have no room to move. Iād forget about buying a striker or even loaning one which is more likely. Gregory will be available soon and add to the mix. Play offs are a dream now so get ready for next season. Our past spending and bad buys have totally scuppered us, and I include a few in the matchday squad. Matondo and Clarke are sticking plasters and unlikely to stay so I quite understand the Doughty signing. Iāll give MON a summer transfer window and cross my fingers.
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Post by questionable on Jan 22, 2021 22:52:07 GMT
Mikel was never a athletic player in his prime, which was years ago heās just another over paid, over hyped, over rated fossil of a player living of long past games, from memory heās always been a bit part player.
What does he actually offer, for me nothing, slow, cumbersome and a complete liability and overall pretty shit.
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Post by arniehudson on Jan 22, 2021 22:55:04 GMT
Slight worry that OāNeill May be star struck by the promise of the all star midfield (Allen, Clucas, Mikel) but heās signed younger players (TOB, Thompson, Tymon) who need to be given the chance to grow into the role. Heās brought Davies, Bursik, Collins and Souttar through to already lay the foundations of a strong defence. Those who say sign a striker presumably mean sign a striker who is guaranteed to score on a regular basis, link play and defend from the front, all within our FFP limits. Thatās not a realistic target but his record shows heāll buy young players with potential (yes I include Browne, Doughty) and develop those weāve got (Campbell) to form a potent strike force.
The reality is itās a slow process to build a successful team from the rubble of the last 4 years. I think OāNeill has done enough, on balance, to continue to deserve our trust. Weāll be stronger come next season and ready for a genuine promotion push.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2021 23:37:58 GMT
OāNeil has never won promotion and never managed or recruited at this level it was a huge gamble to trust a good coach bit no such record with a huge rebuild Right now it looks lien heās losing his way 50 points feels a long long way off and there is no evidence to suggest this management team can creates promotion squad over the summer Something had to change this summer behind the scenes but it wonāt is sat now we wonāt go up this or next season . Here he comes, the harbinger of DOOM. " Bring out your dead, bring out your dead" Biscuits, you revel in our disappointment, you're not a stoke fan. You're either a disgruntled employee, or a egotistical narcacist I am neither just realist and have followed the same line since November As was criticised for saying 10th to 14th in October but there were we are no doom mongerimg just realistic observation
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 22, 2021 23:41:51 GMT
Weird and frustrating game, Watford do very little yet win. We play well in patches, just not getting the breaks at the moment. On that performance Watford are overrated. Frustrating defeat really, particularly as they have a number of whinging shitnasties in the team and an arse for a manager. There, that feels so much better - wankers.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 23, 2021 1:03:07 GMT
So, another defeat in a long and frustrating season. You never know, we might still get to May and look back and laugh at matches like Watford.
What is winding me up, is a succession of Managers, in their post match interviews, like with Watford tonight and Rotherham on Tuesday, all saying what a good team we are, how strong, and what a fantastic squad we have! All that and we are gradually losing touch with the top six. Is there still something wrong at the club, like a lack of belief and confidence, which is stopping us reaching our potential?
I hope out management team can find some answers quickly.
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Post by canadastk on Jan 23, 2021 2:04:27 GMT
Losing at home to Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford is an accurate reflection of where we are - a midtable side getting turned over at home by promotion capable sides. I can live with that this season, provided we improve the squad next year. Can you live with the constant draws against teams in the bottome 5/6 without even really threatening? I agree Red & White. We played a talented side tonight and their quality was on display. I thought we played some of the nicest football to watch all season tonight. Possessed the ball with patience and intent. As usual just missing that finishing in the final 3rd. MON has a plan and a quality striker in the summer window will set us up for a better year next season. I love the direction we are headed in. Iv'e watched every game for the past 3 years and we are onwards and upwards. Clarke's best showing and even Matondo look lively when he came on. Future is bright.
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Post by bingbang on Jan 23, 2021 4:13:31 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. Score against Nepal āYETIā canāt score for us .
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 23, 2021 5:11:32 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. Score against Nepal āYETIā canāt score for us . šššš
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Post by hotpot on Jan 23, 2021 7:49:25 GMT
Would have still preferred to see ShawX instead of Vokes come on, in our last 15 minutes of desperation.
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Post by shooters on Jan 23, 2021 9:02:41 GMT
Score against Nepal āYETIā canāt score for us . šššš Must have had a helluva height advantage. Some of those Nepalese players must have come up to Souttars nipples.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 23, 2021 9:08:22 GMT
Can you live with the constant draws against teams in the bottome 5/6 without even really threatening? I agree Red & White. We played a talented side tonight and their quality was on display. I thought we played some of the nicest football to watch all season tonight. Possessed the ball with patience and intent. As usual just missing that finishing in the final 3rd. MON has a plan and a quality striker in the summer window will set us up for a better year next season. I love the direction we are headed in. Iv'e watched every game for the past 3 years and we are onwards and upwards. Clarke's best showing and even Matondo look lively when he came on. Future is bright. I like Clarke so I agree with you there, but the way we are going atm isn't good is it, we don't score goals and we aren't keeping them out either, we looked okay first half last night without really threatening, if you're going of last night as an indicator of where we're heading then its not up any time soon.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 23, 2021 9:34:38 GMT
Not a penalty for me. Bursik played the ball twice He missed the second. It was a pen. I thought he touched it as it appeared to change path. Nevertheless it was given and we know the result. Clear penalty not given in first half. We dominated the first half but yet again failed to convert. Dont see us making top 6 this year.
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Post by hardcastle on Jan 23, 2021 9:58:13 GMT
First half the football was bright quick and accurate. As good as we've looked most season l'd say. The midfield were at the heart of that (which is a bit counter-intuitive as l can barely recall Clucas and Allen on the ball). Trouble was, none of those midfielders were able to unlock the defence. Which is why we must bin 433 now Fletch is back fit, and play Powell between the lines at 10. Clucas l just don't get at all. What's this someone was saying Sheff Utd may want him?
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 23, 2021 10:22:31 GMT
Weāre stuffed thanks to FFP and Campbellās injury which means we have no room to move. Iād forget about buying a striker or even loaning one which is more likely. Gregory will be available soon and add to the mix. Play offs are a dream now so get ready for next season. Our past spending and bad buys have totally scuppered us, and I include a few in the matchday squad. Matondo and Clarke are sticking plasters and unlikely to stay so I quite understand the Doughty signing. Iāll give MON a summer transfer window and cross my fingers. I absolutely agree Michael. We played well but without that killer punch up front. Losing Campbell is proving to be our downfall. We're a top 6 side with him and a mid-table side without him. OS.
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Post by logdog on Jan 23, 2021 11:08:20 GMT
I reckon heās more than capable of this, itās the way we set up though. Powell on his own, marked by two centre halves. Not much point in beating your full back and whipping a cross in. The position heās playing in has been all about cutting in and getting a shot in ala Campbell. Rightly or wrongly, I think thatās what McKinley & OāNeill drill into the wide forwards. Sorry. I just can't agree with that. If you don't beat your man you can only cross the ball high. If you beat your full back in 1 v 1 situations you open open other options. Cross it high, cross it low, cut it back to on coming midfielder, shoot yourself, get brought down for free kick/penalty. You simply have to beat your man in 1 v 1 situations and he never even tried to. When Rabbi came on, he attempted to beat the full back everytime he got the ball. Clarke's performance was encouraging. No more no less than that. He will need to do much more if he's to make the difference we need. He did little tonight that Ince doesn't do which may sound harsh. He just didn't hide like Ince does but he played way to safe for my liking. Edit...and if the aim is to having him cut in to shoot he was playing on the wrong side. I donāt disagree with a lot of that Dave, I just think the manager doesnāt set them up to play like that. Which is ironic considering he was a winger himself. We seem to just go down the flanks and turn back, normally there is nothing in the box to aim at. The amount of times our attacks end with a backward pass and then back in our own half is ridiculous.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 23, 2021 11:49:06 GMT
Sorry. I just can't agree with that. If you don't beat your man you can only cross the ball high. If you beat your full back in 1 v 1 situations you open open other options. Cross it high, cross it low, cut it back to on coming midfielder, shoot yourself, get brought down for free kick/penalty. You simply have to beat your man in 1 v 1 situations and he never even tried to. When Rabbi came on, he attempted to beat the full back everytime he got the ball. Clarke's performance was encouraging. No more no less than that. He will need to do much more if he's to make the difference we need. He did little tonight that Ince doesn't do which may sound harsh. He just didn't hide like Ince does but he played way to safe for my liking. Edit...and if the aim is to having him cut in to shoot he was playing on the wrong side. I donāt disagree with a lot of that Dave, I just think the manager doesnāt set them up to play like that. Which is ironic considering he was a winger himself. We seem to just go down the flanks and turn back, normally there is nothing in the box to aim at. The amount of times our attacks end with a backward pass and then back in our own half is ridiculous. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any manager at any level encourages his players, particularly wingers, to stop and go backwards. If we've only got one in the box it is even more important for the winger to beat his man in 1 v 1 situations. Clarke didn't and created next to nothing despite looking ok. Rabbi went at his man every time he got the ball and created 2 chances. Wingers have to be brave and get at the full back. We have tom ince to play if we want to stop and go backwards
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 23, 2021 14:01:05 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. That's a Nepalling stat I think youāre making a mountain out of a mole hill š¤
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Post by moon on Jan 23, 2021 15:17:48 GMT
Would have still preferred to see ShawX instead of Vokes come on, in our last 15 minutes of desperation. Why? and in defence or attack? I canāt remember the last time Shawcross scored, and he wasnāt even on the bench last night. If you just want someone to win the headers then throw Danny Batth on, Vokes is still a better option though as bad as he has been recently. If Ryan is playing it has to be at CB, but heās 4th or 5th choice at the moment. Maybe heāll play a couple more games before the season is over, but Iād be surprised if heās here next season unless he forces his way back in and plays regularly, I donāt think it will happen though unless we get a few injuries at CB.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 23, 2021 17:00:44 GMT
Sorry how did I forget to add you. Knock you all together and you still wouldnāt make a decent supporter. Enjoy your night. What a shame you missed the goal I was still watching, lovely goal. I just needed to log out of this cesspit. So called Stoke fans daisy chaining each other in delight because we're losing. Absolute bunch of cock wipes.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 23, 2021 18:04:16 GMT
What a shame you missed the goal I was still watching, lovely goal. I just needed to log out of this cesspit. So called Stoke fans daisy chaining each other in delight because we're losing. Absolute bunch of cock wipes. Do you think it makes you a better supporter because your positive?
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Post by logdog on Jan 23, 2021 18:46:05 GMT
I donāt disagree with a lot of that Dave, I just think the manager doesnāt set them up to play like that. Which is ironic considering he was a winger himself. We seem to just go down the flanks and turn back, normally there is nothing in the box to aim at. The amount of times our attacks end with a backward pass and then back in our own half is ridiculous. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any manager at any level encourages his players, particularly wingers, to stop and go backwards. If we've only got one in the box it is even more important for the winger to beat his man in 1 v 1 situations. Clarke didn't and created next to nothing despite looking ok. Rabbi went at his man every time he got the ball and created 2 chances. Wingers have to be brave and get at the full back. We have tom ince to play if we want to stop and go backwards Ok mate! I will agree with you there though, Rabbi looked a handful last night whilst he was on.š
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Post by marrer on Jan 24, 2021 4:36:17 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. Score against Nepal āYETIā canāt score for us . That's cos he's burnt out with too much game time. He needs to 'Ev e rest'
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