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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 22, 2021 22:03:33 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal.
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Post by franklin on Jan 22, 2021 22:05:56 GMT
Why don’t you go buy a striker for him if it’s that easy. He wants one as much as anyone but can’t get one. How would you like it if someone moaned their bollocks of at you for not having the right resources at work. Credit it where it’s due he’s turned this team around but been dealt some poor cards. Give the man a break!! Im not paid thousands of pounds a week to "find a striker" O'Neil is. We've just signed a player that can't play for another 4 or 5 months when we DESPERATELY need a striker. To say that he hasn't got the right resources is ridiculous, in my job if I didn't have the right resources it would be up to me to get the right resources from my boss. We are massively underperforming and alot is down to MON I'm afraid to say. We've got a team that should be much higher than we are and a manager that seems to have regressed and now shits himself every game. He has had praise but should get criticism at the moment because he's not performing and it's not good enough Spot on mate I've said the same on another thread, now he might bag one this month but its a priority. A player who won't possibly play until next season is a bit bizarre given the blindingly obvious.
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Post by spoton on Jan 22, 2021 22:06:22 GMT
Rest of season is just one long preparation for next season now. Collins has to go into centre half position even if that means playing Smith at right back. The team for next season has to be built around Collins and Powell and we have to hope Campbell returns as he was. So frustrating. So disappointing. Perspective is needed and some patience Seems to me its always next season nowadays
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 22, 2021 22:06:52 GMT
Why don’t you go buy a striker for him if it’s that easy. He wants one as much as anyone but can’t get one. How would you like it if someone moaned their bollocks of at you for not having the right resources at work. Credit it where it’s due he’s turned this team around but been dealt some poor cards. Give the man a break!! Im not paid thousands of pounds a week to "find a striker" O'Neil is. We've just signed a player that can't play for another 4 or 5 months when we DESPERATELY need a striker. To say that he hasn't got the right resources is ridiculous, in my job if I didn't have the right resources it would be up to me to get the right resources from my boss. We are massively underperforming and alot is down to MON I'm afraid to say. We've got a team that should be much higher than we are and a manager that seems to have regressed and now shits himself every game. He has had praise but should get criticism at the moment because he's not performing and it's not good enough The point is he’s over performing with what he’s got. Give him more and he’ll be higher in the league. You can’t knock someone for not having the resources. With our squad whoelse would you play and how would that have changed the result? Can’t you see he’s just as frustrated as all of us.
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 22:07:11 GMT
I don’t think that’s what he was told to do with only Powell in the middle. I just think he stood out in as much as he wasn’t scared of the ball & looked sharp & found his own player every time. Surely it was more important he took the full back on? Pointless just crossing it in. Beat the man and open up the options. It was like watching a baby Tom Ince. I don’t think he was told to cross it either. It looked to me like both wide men were told to keep hold of the ball & cut inside when possible. Just my interpretation mate. He just stood out as he was one of the few players who looked comfortable on the ball and wanted it in tight spaces. Not gonna lie, your last comment got me. 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:08:09 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. That's a Nepalling stat
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 22, 2021 22:08:27 GMT
Losing at home to Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford is an accurate reflection of where we are - a midtable side getting turned over at home by promotion capable sides. I can live with that this season, provided we improve the squad next year. Your right. We aren’t good enough to go up and those above us are better quality. What is worrying is our inhability to win the games against more mediocre opposition.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 22, 2021 22:08:52 GMT
Had 0-0 all over it until 2 bad errors from young Joe unfortunately Behave yourself, none of the goals were Bursiks fault. That's utter arse gravy! ... he gave a stone wall penalty away pal. And was beaten from a ridiculous angle for the second. Bobble or not that should be saved. He did exactly the same against Pukki. Shouldn't be getting beaten from those angles.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:09:16 GMT
Surely it was more important he took the full back on? Pointless just crossing it in. Beat the man and open up the options. It was like watching a baby Tom Ince. I don’t think he was told to cross it either. It looked to me like both wide men were told to keep hold of the ball & cut inside when possible. Just my interpretation mate. He just stood out as he was one of the few players who looked comfortable on the ball and wanted it in tight spaces. Not gonna lie, your last comment got me. 😂😂😂 I agree he was comfortable on the ball. He didn't do the main thing you want your winger to do though. Get the ball and terrorise your full back.
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Post by spoton on Jan 22, 2021 22:10:12 GMT
I am going to upset a few on here but MON is not the man to take us forward let alone the premier league. He is really a novice at club management at this level & he is showing that now. He did a fantastic job last season but after Jones i don,t think it was that hard. We will just become a mid table championship club or less under MON. No you have a very valid opinion he is better than the last clown we hired not that it would be difficult, his poor game management is becoming a serious problem, he appears to have hit the wall let's pray he doesn't start throwing shit at it hoping something sticks like the last monkey did. Got to agree with both posts i said very early in his appointment he has no experience in league football and it's alot harder to motivate league players and i don't believe he's the correct choice it was a easy choice that's all
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jan 22, 2021 22:12:39 GMT
I'm not convinced that it's worth wasting money on a striker now until the summer. Season over. I have to agree I felt today's game was a significant turning point. Win and the play-offs were a REAL possibility, lose and we need to focus on next year Sadly.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:12:59 GMT
Just staggered that Mikel has played another 90 mins! I really thought MON was a rational sane man but I’m beginning to wonder. I think Mikel has a role, he’s old and can sit back and pick a pass, MON is having him run round like a kid, it’s never gonna work! Every team in this league that are doing well move quick and think quick.Yes maybe bring him on when we have something to hold onto and calm things down but to start every match and play 90 in each just seems beyond reason. Our record against the top teams in the league is shocking and it’s mainly due to pace and fitness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:12:59 GMT
Behave yourself, none of the goals were Bursiks fault. That's utter arse gravy! ... he gave a stone wall penalty away pal. And was beaten from a ridiculous angle for the second. Bobble or not that should be saved. He did exactly the same against Pukki. Shouldn't be getting beaten from those angles. The penno was bad goalkeeping. No dressing it up.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 22, 2021 22:14:08 GMT
thought he played well myself,Clucas offered nothing all game . Would have preferred to see cousins at least he puts himself about. Mikels was probably the worst single performance of any Stoke player this season for me (Vokes aside obvs) If Cousins played I think we wouldn't have lost that match. Mikel has looked off the pace since he came back from injury. Very poor tonight.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 22, 2021 22:14:39 GMT
Im not paid thousands of pounds a week to "find a striker" O'Neil is. We've just signed a player that can't play for another 4 or 5 months when we DESPERATELY need a striker. To say that he hasn't got the right resources is ridiculous, in my job if I didn't have the right resources it would be up to me to get the right resources from my boss. We are massively underperforming and alot is down to MON I'm afraid to say. We've got a team that should be much higher than we are and a manager that seems to have regressed and now shits himself every game. He has had praise but should get criticism at the moment because he's not performing and it's not good enough The point is he’s over performing with what he’s got. Give him more and he’ll be higher in the league. You can’t knock someone for not having the resources. With our squad whoelse would you play and how would that have changed the result? Can’t you see he’s just as frustrated as all of us. Im sorry, but he's not over performing with what we've got, he's massively under performing AT THE MOMENT. 12 games ago we missed the chance to go top, we've won 1 game since then. I agree that Campbell has been a huge miss BUT, as manager its up to MON to replace him instead of prioritising players that can't play for 5 months. Fletcher has to start, Cousins has to start, Mikel shouldn't start, mcclean shouldnt start. He has to make changes earlier to either take the upper hand (like every other team does against us) or to match when the opposition inevitably changes to get on top of us. Stop making stupid changes, bringing Clucas off but keeping Mikel on, and a winger that was putting gems into the box all night and replacing him with a player that needs them balls in. I honestly don't see that he is as frustrated as us, maybe he is a good poker player, but he needs to change, quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:14:49 GMT
It's where we are though. We're not much better than mid table to 8th. On the other hand MON seems to have abandoned the policy of playing the best players in thier best position policy that made his first year in the job relatively successful. Promotion was always a long shot but cant help but feel that getting Powell and Fletcher on the pitch at the same time as much as possible would help. We'd be having a better go at it if he set up the only way this squad screams out to, long term he doesn't want to and thats fine but right now needs must, I feel he's thrown away a decent half chance to sneak top 6 with his ovely negative crap, its not needed. You mean 4231? If so I agree. It's tough for me personally. For instance Rowett delivered similar results with equally blunt and redundant tactics. I couldn't wait to see the back of him. MON does largely the same and I'm willing to cut him way more slack. He needs to improve though things though. Fast. I back him to do so.
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Post by stokiejon89 on Jan 22, 2021 22:14:54 GMT
If we didn't know the season was over already the post match interview just confirmed it (unless he's being intentionally coy). No more business = Lower mid table finish.
Just find it curious we bothered signing anyone if that's our approach
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Post by stokie63 on Jan 22, 2021 22:15:02 GMT
We need to get to 50 points ASAP there's always one team that falls from grace after Xmas I think its us this season.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 22, 2021 22:15:26 GMT
Mikels was probably the worst single performance of any Stoke player this season for me (Vokes aside obvs) If Cousins played I think we wouldn't have lost that match. Mikel has looked off the pace since he came back from injury. Very poor tonight. Needs a rest, badly.
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 22:16:11 GMT
I don’t think he was told to cross it either. It looked to me like both wide men were told to keep hold of the ball & cut inside when possible. Just my interpretation mate. He just stood out as he was one of the few players who looked comfortable on the ball and wanted it in tight spaces. Not gonna lie, your last comment got me. 😂😂😂 I agree he was comfortable on the ball. He didn't do the main thing you want your winger to do though. Get the ball and terrorise your full back. I reckon he’s more than capable of this, it’s the way we set up though. Powell on his own, marked by two centre halves. Not much point in beating your full back and whipping a cross in. The position he’s playing in has been all about cutting in and getting a shot in ala Campbell. Rightly or wrongly, I think that’s what McKinley & O’Neill drill into the wide forwards.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 22:18:25 GMT
We'd be having a better go at it if he set up the only way this squad screams out to, long term he doesn't want to and thats fine but right now needs must, I feel he's thrown away a decent half chance to sneak top 6 with his ovely negative crap, its not needed. You mean 4231? If so I agree. It's tough for me personally. For instance Rowett delivered similar results with equally blunt and redundant tactics. I couldn't wait to see the back of him. MON does largely the same and I'm willing to cut him way more slack. He needs to improve though things though. Fast. I back him to do so. Yeh 4-2-3-1 Rowett wasn't the most likable bloke though and he did spend mental money creating a middling Champ club. I think you're willing to give him the time because he was competant enough to keep us up last season and have seen that he can set up a team to win, I just don't know why he isn't doing it now. I'd understand the negative tactics if we'd lost half of the defence and we needed cover some mids playing there or something but it's like he's decided there's no chance we can score now so lets get the point and maybe get lucky we fluke a goal.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 22, 2021 22:18:42 GMT
Behave yourself, none of the goals were Bursiks fault. That's utter arse gravy! ... he gave a stone wall penalty away pal. And was beaten from a ridiculous angle for the second. Bobble or not that should be saved. He did exactly the same against Pukki. Shouldn't be getting beaten from those angles. The penalty was 100% stonewall but stemmed from eagerness to stop another attempt at goal after a good stop, the defence should have been there to clean up after the first save, the fact that he got up off the floor and got to the striker before any defender is poor. The second was a cluster of shit before it even got to the shot but its a horrible one to deal with as a keeper, took a horrible bounce off the turf which lifted it over his hand and as close as it was to him, there is no way he. Ould have adjusted.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:21:22 GMT
I agree he was comfortable on the ball. He didn't do the main thing you want your winger to do though. Get the ball and terrorise your full back. I reckon he’s more than capable of this, it’s the way we set up though. Powell on his own, marked by two centre halves. Not much point in beating your full back and whipping a cross in. The position he’s playing in has been all about cutting in and getting a shot in ala Campbell. Rightly or wrongly, I think that’s what McKinley & O’Neill drill into the wide forwards. Sorry. I just can't agree with that. If you don't beat your man you can only cross the ball high. If you beat your full back in 1 v 1 situations you open open other options. Cross it high, cross it low, cut it back to on coming midfielder, shoot yourself, get brought down for free kick/penalty. You simply have to beat your man in 1 v 1 situations and he never even tried to. When Rabbi came on, he attempted to beat the full back everytime he got the ball. Clarke's performance was encouraging. No more no less than that. He will need to do much more if he's to make the difference we need. He did little tonight that Ince doesn't do which may sound harsh. He just didn't hide like Ince does but he played way to safe for my liking. Edit...and if the aim is to having him cut in to shoot he was playing on the wrong side.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 22, 2021 22:22:13 GMT
Rest of season is just one long preparation for next season now. Collins has to go into centre half position even if that means playing Smith at right back. The team for next season has to be built around Collins and Powell and we have to hope Campbell returns as he was. So frustrating. So disappointing. Perspective is needed and some patience 100%
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Post by meirman61 on Jan 22, 2021 22:23:46 GMT
No. On his Australia debut he scored two. But that was against Nepal. The reason I asked is he never seems to get on the end of much for such a big unit
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 22, 2021 22:24:06 GMT
Im not paid thousands of pounds a week to "find a striker" O'Neil is. We've just signed a player that can't play for another 4 or 5 months when we DESPERATELY need a striker. To say that he hasn't got the right resources is ridiculous, in my job if I didn't have the right resources it would be up to me to get the right resources from my boss. We are massively underperforming and alot is down to MON I'm afraid to say. We've got a team that should be much higher than we are and a manager that seems to have regressed and now shits himself every game. He has had praise but should get criticism at the moment because he's not performing and it's not good enough Spot on mate I've said the same on another thread, now he might bag one this month but its a priority. A player who won't possibly play until next season is a bit bizarre given the blindingly obvious. He’s just said we are doing no more business this month. Incredible really when we could have kept verlinden not got Clarke and got a striker. Shit
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Post by franklin on Jan 22, 2021 22:25:39 GMT
Spot on mate I've said the same on another thread, now he might bag one this month but its a priority. A player who won't possibly play until next season is a bit bizarre given the blindingly obvious. He’s just said we are doing no more business this month. Incredible really when we could have kept verlinden not got Clarke and got a striker. Shit I've just seen that it confirms my thoughts he's daft.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 22, 2021 22:26:16 GMT
Mikel has looked off the pace since he came back from injury. Very poor tonight. Needs a rest, badly. Needs a rest, permanently
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Post by meirman61 on Jan 22, 2021 22:29:59 GMT
... he gave a stone wall penalty away pal. And was beaten from a ridiculous angle for the second. Bobble or not that should be saved. He did exactly the same against Pukki. Shouldn't be getting beaten from those angles. The penalty was 100% stonewall but stemmed from eagerness to stop another attempt at goal after a good stop, the defence should have been there to clean up after the first save, the fact that he got up off the floor and got to the striker before any defender is poor. The second was a cluster of shit before it even got to the shot but its a horrible one to deal with as a keeper, took a horrible bounce off the turf which lifted it over his hand and as close as it was to him, there is no way he. Ould have adjusted. Yes the second took a bobble if you're a keeper it's a goal if you're a striker it's in row z but there was no need to have a rush of blood for the penalty the player was going nowhere question if he'd kept it in
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Post by andystokey on Jan 22, 2021 22:35:45 GMT
We need to get to 50 points ASAP there's always one team that falls from grace after Xmas I think its us this season. They need a new target 60-70 points puts us ready for next season. Hopefully the crowd gets in 21/22 which will be worth 15 points at home. Can Bursik go back out on a Covid three clubs loan ready for next season?
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