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Post by ryd1967 on Jan 22, 2021 21:53:03 GMT
The number of so called fans who say it was a poor performance. I think in the first half I saw as good a performance as I've seen for a while. Our down fall has always been our inability to score goals and no matter how well you control the game as we did in the first half, if the other team scores or we make a mistake we are under the cosh. Stoke are heading in the right direction under MON even though promotion will be very very difficult now. Totally agree with you. MON has always said this is works in progress. I want us to win every game but Stokies be honest if we did make the play offs and go up do you really think we would stay up, I certainly don't. I have every faith in O'Neil to build a team that will compete. The injuries have killed us this season and players now returning need to get game time. CTID
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 22, 2021 21:53:20 GMT
Really disappointed. Thought tonight we could get back on the coat tails. For all the running he does, does anyone else think the reintroduction of Joe Allen is coincidence to our poor form No mate, the more accurate point of poor form starting was dropping Cousins. As limited as he was, he covered the defence magnificently.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 21:53:27 GMT
You can't sit back after a good first half and watch Clucas, Allen and Mikel all disappear into thin air and do nothing about it. Not just once but on the hour mark nearly every week. Just don't play them. He can't win on that one in reality. Anyone that won't be here next season wouldn't play again this season for me. We are rubbish and we've been rubbish for years. Collins and Powell are our only quality players. The rest are crap.
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Post by palerider on Jan 22, 2021 21:53:38 GMT
Harsh defeat. We were the better side first half but couldn't score as usual. I hate that twat Deeney He is the double of Neanderthal man. Neanderthal man and steptoe playing for them and they still turn us over
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 21:53:53 GMT
Losing at home to Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford is an accurate reflection of where we are - a midtable side getting turned over at home by promotion capable sides. I can live with that this season, provided we improve the squad next year. Can you live with the constant draws against teams in the bottome 5/6 without even really threatening? It's where we are though. We're not much better than mid table to 8th. On the other hand MON seems to have abandoned the policy of playing the best players in thier best position policy that made his first year in the job relatively successful. Promotion was always a long shot but cant help but feel that getting Powell and Fletcher on the pitch at the same time as much as possible would help.
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Post by franklin on Jan 22, 2021 21:54:32 GMT
Wonder if Crouchy would fancy a few weeks work.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 22, 2021 21:54:34 GMT
Are we registered as a charity,they were absolutely shite and still turned us over, We are now officially the gift that keeps on giving Of course we are mate, we play Mikel for 90 minutes!
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 22, 2021 21:54:52 GMT
Had 0-0 all over it until 2 bad errors from young Joe unfortunately
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 22, 2021 21:55:02 GMT
Weird and frustrating game, Watford do very little yet win. We play well in patches, just not getting the breaks at the moment. That has been the story since we lost Ty, when you look at the games we have drawn or lost we have had chances and possession, we just can't do anything with it.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 22, 2021 21:55:25 GMT
Just staggered that Mikel has played another 90 mins! I really thought MON was a rational sane man but I’m beginning to wonder. thought he played well myself,Clucas offered nothing all game . Would have preferred to see cousins at least he puts himself about. Mikels was probably the worst single performance of any Stoke player this season for me (Vokes aside obvs) If Cousins played I think we wouldn't have lost that match.
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Post by palerider on Jan 22, 2021 21:55:31 GMT
Come 60 mins Mikel disappears like a fart in the wind
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 22, 2021 21:55:58 GMT
I didn’t spot it real time, but the replay shows that Bursik was unlucky for their second goal, the ball took a freak bounce off the turf which took it over his outstretched arm.
A draw would have been a fair result, but our inability to make the right changes early enough in the match means we are once again chasing a game.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 22, 2021 21:56:39 GMT
Can you live with the constant draws against teams in the bottome 5/6 without even really threatening? It's where we are though. We're not much better than mid table to 8th. On the other hand MON seems to have abandoned the policy of playing the best players in thier best position policy that made his first year in the job relatively successful. Promotion was always a long shot but cant help but feel that getting Powell and Fletcher on the pitch at the same time as much as possible would help. We'd be having a better go at it if he set up the only way this squad screams out to, long term he doesn't want to and thats fine but right now needs must, I feel he's thrown away a decent half chance to sneak top 6 with his ovely negative crap, its not needed.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 21:56:54 GMT
Really disappointed. Thought tonight we could get back on the coat tails. For all the running he does, does anyone else think the reintroduction of Joe Allen is coincidence to our poor form No mate, the more accurate point of poor form starting was dropping Cousins. As limited as he was, he covered the defence magnificently. I like cousins but we didn't win a game with him in the side did we and we created absolutely nothing. I'd play cousins every week but let's not pretend he changes everything. Campbell's injury and Vokes penalty miss are the clear turning points of the season.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2021 21:56:55 GMT
Had 0-0 all over it until 2 bad errors from young Joe unfortunately Harsh:- he made a good save in the first half and an excellent stop before he gave away the penalty
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Jan 22, 2021 21:57:00 GMT
Had 0-0 all over it until 2 bad errors from young Joe unfortunately Second goal a bit harsh it bounced just in front of his arm. Have a look at Chesters positioning Sar was always going to win that chase.
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Post by logdog on Jan 22, 2021 21:57:59 GMT
This Clarke looks the part. Constantly wants the ball and looks comfortable with it too. Really? Has he taken his man on once yet? I don’t think that’s what he was told to do with only Powell in the middle. I just think he stood out in as much as he wasn’t scared of the ball & looked sharp & found his own player every time.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2021 21:58:31 GMT
Come 60 mins Mikel disappears like a fart in the wind 60 minutes was the time to freshen up the middle, all 3 are not 100% match fit and risk further injuries when they are tired That said Allen was much more effective in the second half
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 22, 2021 21:58:43 GMT
I am going to upset a few on here but MON is not the man to take us forward let alone the premier league. He is really a novice at club management at this level & he is showing that now. He did a fantastic job last season but after Jones i don,t think it was that hard. We will just become a mid table championship club or less under MON. No you have a very valid opinion he is better than the last clown we hired not that it would be difficult, his poor game management is becoming a serious problem, he appears to have hit the wall let's pray he doesn't start throwing shit at it hoping something sticks like the last monkey did.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 22, 2021 21:59:10 GMT
I'm not convinced that it's worth wasting money on a striker now until the summer. Season over.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 22, 2021 21:59:58 GMT
Starting to get really pissed off with O'Neil... Credit in the bank starting to dwindle. He's not learning, every single game is a carbon copy of the previous one. Grow a set of bollocks, stop making fucking stupid subs, sign a striker, play a striker. Fucking fuming tonight Why don’t you go buy a striker for him if it’s that easy. He wants one as much as anyone but can’t get one. How would you like it if someone moaned their bollocks of at you for not having the right resources at work. Credit it where it’s due he’s turned this team around but been dealt some poor cards. Give the man a break!! Im not paid thousands of pounds a week to "find a striker" O'Neil is. We've just signed a player that can't play for another 4 or 5 months when we DESPERATELY need a striker. To say that he hasn't got the right resources is ridiculous, in my job if I didn't have the right resources it would be up to me to get the right resources from my boss. We are massively underperforming and alot is down to MON I'm afraid to say. We've got a team that should be much higher than we are and a manager that seems to have regressed and now shits himself every game. He has had praise but should get criticism at the moment because he's not performing and it's not good enough
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Post by Jimmyg on Jan 22, 2021 21:59:59 GMT
thought he played well myself,Clucas offered nothing all game . Would have preferred to see cousins at least he puts himself about. Mikels was probably the worst single performance of any Stoke player this season for me (Vokes aside obvs) If Cousins played I think we wouldn't have lost that match. At least he had some composure and made a few vital interceptions, admittedly he offered little going forward but if Allen and Clucas had held the ball up better WE wouldn't have invited pressure.
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Post by samwidge on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:22 GMT
O’Neil has never won promotion and never managed or recruited at this level it was a huge gamble to trust a good coach bit no such record with a huge rebuild Right now it looks lien he’s losing his way 50 points feels a long long way off and there is no evidence to suggest this management team can creates promotion squad over the summer Something had to change this summer behind the scenes but it won’t is sat now we won’t go up this or next season . Here he comes, the harbinger of DOOM. " Bring out your dead, bring out your dead" Biscuits, you revel in our disappointment, you're not a stoke fan. You're either a disgruntled employee, or a egotistical narcacist
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Post by andystokey on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:43 GMT
You can't sit back after a good first half and watch Clucas, Allen and Mikel all disappear into thin air and do nothing about it. Not just once but on the hour mark nearly every week. Just don't play them. He can't win on that one in reality. Anyone that won't be here next season wouldn't play again this season for me. We are rubbish and we've been rubbish for years. Collins and Powell are our only quality players. The rest are crap. Clucas was anonymous Thompson was coming into form let him play. Mikel I've said enough elsewhere that's Cousins place all day long. The other berth the rest can fight over.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 22, 2021 22:00:51 GMT
Had 0-0 all over it until 2 bad errors from young Joe unfortunately Behave yourself, none of the goals were Bursiks fault. That's utter arse gravy!
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Post by stokey spoon on Jan 22, 2021 22:01:06 GMT
Just staggered that Mikel has played another 90 mins! I really thought MON was a rational sane man but I’m beginning to wonder. I think Mikel has a role, he’s old and can sit back and pick a pass, MON is having him run round like a kid, it’s never gonna work!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:01:48 GMT
Really? Has he taken his man on once yet? I don’t think that’s what he was told to do with only Powell in the middle. I just think he stood out in as much as he wasn’t scared of the ball & looked sharp & found his own player every time. Surely it was more important he took the full back on? Pointless just crossing it in. Beat the man and open up the options. It was like watching a baby Tom Ince.
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Post by shooters on Jan 22, 2021 22:02:28 GMT
Come 60 mins Mikel disappears like a fart in the wind And for the first 60 the opposition let him have it as he does no damage, can't run and slows the game down for them to get back in shape. Their best defender. No need for him at all in this division and a waste of a player every game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:03:09 GMT
Just don't play them. He can't win on that one in reality. Anyone that won't be here next season wouldn't play again this season for me. We are rubbish and we've been rubbish for years. Collins and Powell are our only quality players. The rest are crap. Clucas was anonymous Thompson was coming into form let him play. Mikel I've said enough elsewhere that's Cousins place all day long. The other berth the rest can fight over. I've never been a fan of clucas and cousins is my favourite current player.
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