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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2021 9:29:21 GMT
You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football Couldn’t give a shit mate😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 9:31:49 GMT
You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football Couldn’t give a shit mate😉 Neither do I, just find it odd he doesn't understand the definition of "preference" but I guess there's no helping some.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:32:03 GMT
You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football You don't want to watch top class football. I just find it strange. There's definitely a thing with Stoke fans where they don't like passing football and don't like skillful players if they aren't humble with it. I find it all very dreary and don't understand it at all. How can you not want to watch the best?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2021 9:34:37 GMT
You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football You don't want to watch top class football. I just find it strange. There's definitely a thing with Stoke fans where they don't like passing football and don't like skillful players if they aren't humble with it. I find it all very dreary and don't understand it at all. How can you not want to watch the best? Hogwash
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:38:02 GMT
You don't want to watch top class football. I just find it strange. There's definitely a thing with Stoke fans where they don't like passing football and don't like skillful players if they aren't humble with it. I find it all very dreary and don't understand it at all. How can you not want to watch the best? Hogwash Not at all. You only have to look at our best player in the last 30 years. It wasn't until he left that people realised how good he was, before that he was a lazy good for nothing show pony who dawdled on the ball. And it's happened numerous times. And I've never known so many fans to love running over ability too. It's all there, on here and at the ground. There's a general lack of distrust in those that try something different and have a bit of skill. So joyless.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2021 9:41:37 GMT
Not at all. You only have to look at our best player in the last 30 years. It wasn't until he left that people realised how good he was, before that he was a lazy good for nothing show pony who dawdled on the ball. And it's happened numerous times. And I've never known so many fans to love running over ability too. It's all there, on here and at the ground. There's a general lack of distrust in those that try something different and have a bit of skill. So joyless. Indeed you are😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:43:37 GMT
Not at all. You only have to look at our best player in the last 30 years. It wasn't until he left that people realised how good he was, before that he was a lazy good for nothing show pony who dawdled on the ball. And it's happened numerous times. And I've never known so many fans to love running over ability too. It's all there, on here and at the ground. There's a general lack of distrust in those that try something different and have a bit of skill. So joyless. Indeed you are😉 I'm not. I just take no joy out of watching long distance runners and a bunch of try hards.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 18, 2021 9:54:26 GMT
I miss Giant Haystacks & Big Daddy
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2021 9:58:39 GMT
I miss Giant Haystacks & Big Daddy I liked them two until I found out that wasn’t their real names.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 10:14:25 GMT
You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football You don't want to watch top class football. I just find it strange. There's definitely a thing with Stoke fans where they don't like passing football and don't like skillful players if they aren't humble with it. I find it all very dreary and don't understand it at all. How can you not want to watch the best? Again, you've totally taken what I've said and twisted it. I watch "top class" football all the time, I just PREFER top class Cricket. I watched Man City last night and enjoyed it so you can piss your presumptions down the drain with the rest of your opinions. You have some cheek talking about Stoke fans the way you do, like you're some sort of higher being oracle. It's embarrassing how deluded you are.
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Post by claymore on Jan 18, 2021 10:30:04 GMT
For crying out loud! What the hell has happened to our game? Just watched Maguire and Salah do their level best to drag each other down, without dragging each other down in order to earn a free kick. Laughable. Yet the linesperson said there was a foul. FFS footballers of today, go home, sit down in your lazyboy chairs and put on Leeds v Chelsea Cup final 1970, then watch the replay, played 3 days later. In not too many years to come, Wenger will have his way that footy becomes a contactless sport just like basketball. Its rarely enjoyable any more, bar the odd exception. Saw that too and thought exactly the same mate, what a shower of shit it's become, and full of useless tossers pretending to play the game, fucking shameful, you only have to watch the wonderful "Big Match Revisited" to see just how much the game has deteriorated in to the shit show of the modern game, it's simply awful just awful.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 18, 2021 10:46:55 GMT
I'm not. I just take no joy out of watching long distance runners and a bunch of try hards. It's true that Stoke fans have always been grumpy about players who are now adorned in retrospect. I remember folk at the ground moaning about Greenhoff, Dobing, Eastham for example, though Hudson was pretty much always appreciated. But is this just a Stoke thing, hard to know really, but I very much doubt it. The other thing I would say is that when it comes to joy, what do you expect at this level? I don't see many teams in this League producing joyful football (depending of course what gives you joy!) It's not an Either/Or thing either, even top class, high skill level teams need runners and workhorses, and given the right chemistry they contribute to the joy. When a team doesn't have flawless technique, or the desired skill levels, then most fans will want to see hard work to make up for it. The most demoralising thing a fan can experience in football is an half arsed performance by a team who everyone knows are capable of better being outrun and out muscled by a team who care more. For me, it can be a more joyful experience to see a bunch of limited players exceed their level and beat a team of more technically gifted player through sheer endeavour. Its all relative as well, some of the most exciting games I have seen have been in the old Evo-Stik (NPL), where blood and thunder can create footballing drama too. Would you say people who watch non-league football, in preference to watching Man Utd v Liverpool don't like football?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 12:10:14 GMT
You can have a mixture of both. Take Stoke in the 70s,we had some wonderful football players and some real hard nuts. It does my head in when you hear,there was contact so you go down and earn a penalty or free kick,sorry but I though football was a contact Sport.
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Post by lstokie on Jan 18, 2021 13:11:14 GMT
Another thread derailed by Bayernoatcake's 'Look at me' comments. Really starting to get boring
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 18, 2021 14:17:33 GMT
I'm not. I just take no joy out of watching long distance runners and a bunch of try hards. It's true that Stoke fans have always been grumpy about players who are now adorned in retrospect. I remember folk at the ground moaning about Greenhoff, Dobing, Eastham for example, though Hudson was pretty much always appreciated. But is this just a Stoke thing, hard to know really, but I very much doubt it. The other thing I would say is that when it comes to joy, what do you expect at this level? I don't see many teams in this League producing joyful football (depending of course what gives you joy!) It's not an Either/Or thing either, even top class, high skill level teams need runners and workhorses, and given the right chemistry they contribute to the joy. When a team doesn't have flawless technique, or the desired skill levels, then most fans will want to see hard work to make up for it. The most demoralising thing a fan can experience in football is an half arsed performance by a team who everyone knows are capable of better being outrun and out muscled by a team who care more. For me, it can be a more joyful experience to see a bunch of limited players exceed their level and beat a team of more technically gifted player through sheer endeavour. Its all relative as well, some of the most exciting games I have seen have been in the old Evo-Stik (NPL), where blood and thunder can create footballing drama too. Would you say people who watch non-league football, in preference to watching Man Utd v Liverpool don't like football? Agreed. The Championship is something of a slog really - for most clubs it's a case of grinding out enough points in the first 2/3rds of the season to make sure you are in touching distance of the play offs for the run in. I can't think of many teams that we have faced who have played in a style that has blown me away (apart from Leeds and maybe Norwich this year until the sending off). As you say, I think that most sensible supporters are willing to back players as long as they are competing and not putting in half-arsed performances. In many ways, I feel more affinity with this current group of players than the squad that got relegated. (The latter had more talent on paper, but the former have a better character).
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 18, 2021 16:46:17 GMT
I miss Giant Haystacks & Big Daddy I liked them two until I found out that wasn’t their real names. Shirley one of them was
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 18, 2021 17:37:11 GMT
I miss Giant Haystacks & Big Daddy I liked them two until I found out that wasn’t their real names. Aren't they???? You've shattered me.
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Post by fazza90 on Jan 18, 2021 19:12:53 GMT
Totally agree. Thankfully it doesn't seem to be as bad outside the premier; I noticed it especially when we played against Leicester a few weeks back, whenever there was any coming together between two players they'd fall over & get a free-kick and it's so shit to watch. And although it's the ref that makes the decision to give the free-kick I don't think it's their fault, I think it's the players fault & the instructions the refs are given from above, I don't know when it changed but it's getting noticeably worse over the past couple of years with the youngsters coming through doing it. You can guarantee whenever Thompson loses the ball around the centre cirtle (trying to encourage this 'Nige-ism') he'll fall over, scream like a baby & more often than not the ref will give a free-kick.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2021 21:23:39 GMT
I liked them two until I found out that wasn’t their real names. Shirley one of them was Very good. 😁😁
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 18, 2021 21:46:03 GMT
I think that in the late 20th century football had a few cheats, but I honestly believe that they were barely tolerated, even by their own team mates. Footballers had different talents that they could use. For some it was robust defensive work and hard tackling, and for others it was avoiding or evading such an approach. I remember Jack Charlton saying in an interview that he couldn't play football. Bobby, he said could play, but he couldn't. But he could stop other people from playing. That was his skill and it was honest football. For a fan there was perhaps as much pleasure in watching "hard men" Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith practice their "arts" effectively, as there was in watching George Best or Rodney Marsh skipping the tackles and teasing the defence.
Now football is just so plastic and artificial, without real vigour, application and committment. It's good perhaps to see De Bruyne take a free kick for example, no matter how it was won, or to see a top class save by a goalkeeper. But there is very little edge of your seats stuff, or battling, and personal duels.
The play acting, niggling, time wasting, simulation, back chat and video reviews all serve to stop the flow of the game and prevent a proper competitive match to take place.
Edit. I have seen modern matches where a player is tackled and goes to ground rolling in apparent agony, to the extent that if it was horse racing you'd expect the green screens to be drawn up around the stricken beast. Instead, once the "perpetrator" has been booked and a free kick awarded, the victim springs up and runs off like a new born lamb. Now THAT I'm sure is what fans really hate.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 19, 2021 8:28:36 GMT
I think that in the late 20th century football had a few cheats, but I honestly believe that they were barely tolerated, even by their own team mates. Footballers had different talents that they could use. For some it was robust defensive work and hard tackling, and for others it was avoiding or evading such an approach. I remember Jack Charlton saying in an interview that he couldn't play football. Bobby, he said could play, but he couldn't. But he could stop other people from playing. That was his skill and it was honest football. For a fan there was perhaps as much pleasure in watching "hard men" Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith practice their "arts" effectively, as there was in watching George Best or Rodney Marsh skipping the tackles and teasing the defence. Now football is just so plastic and artificial, without real vigour, application and committment. It's good perhaps to see De Bruyne take a free kick for example, no matter how it was won, or to see a top class save by a goalkeeper. But there is very little edge of your seats stuff, or battling, and personal duels. The play acting, niggling, time wasting, simulation, back chat and video reviews all serve to stop the flow of the game and prevent a proper competitive match to take place. Edit. I have seen modern matches where a player is tackled and goes to ground rolling in apparent agony, to the extent that if it was horse racing you'd expect the green screens to be drawn up around the stricken beast. Instead, once the "perpetrator" has been booked and a free kick awarded, the victim springs up and runs off like a new born lamb. Now THAT I'm sure is what fans really hate. Player lying on the deck banging his arm in sheer agony of waiting for the free kick and yellow/red card to be brandished really gets my goat.
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Post by banx10 on Jan 27, 2021 9:03:15 GMT
It is disgraceful. What I have noticed though is top players & coaches now play a series ‘of plays’ both sides accept the stoppages of play for minor fouls, as each ends that series of play or move. They reform & go again. Long gone are the days of a half of continuous play. It gives them a breather, a small rest. Miss the real football of 1970’s & 80’s. Prob caused by influx of foreign players.
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Post by noustie on Jan 27, 2021 9:16:27 GMT
It is disgraceful. What I have noticed though is top players & coaches now play a series ‘of plays’ both sides accept the stoppages of play for minor fouls, as each ends that series of play or move. They reform & go again. Long gone are the days of a half of continuous play. It gives them a breather, a small rest. Miss the real football of 1970’s & 80’s. Prob caused by influx of foreign players. Feel dirty typing it but for me that's why Leeds have been refreshing. Everyone raves about their games being like a basketball game and like it's something totally new but remember watching FA Cup rewinds and pretty much every team tried to play like that in the 80's although less fit and heavier tackling! Man v man, win your battles, create more chances than the opposition - it only stands out with Leeds because of the sterile pish we've been served up for seasons.
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Post by ct1 on Jan 27, 2021 18:54:31 GMT
Not at all. You only have to look at our best player in the last 30 years. It wasn't until he left that people realised how good he was, before that he was a lazy good for nothing show pony who dawdled on the ball. And it's happened numerous times. And I've never known so many fans to love running over ability too. It's all there, on here and at the ground. There's a general lack of distrust in those that try something different and have a bit of skill. So joyless. lack of distrust?
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