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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2021 21:49:23 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 17, 2021 22:24:42 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 22:28:14 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. You’ve missed the point. People will always say that something isn’t what it was. It’s gone one for years. It’s what people do, it’s what older generations do because it was a better time back then. Back in my day......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 17, 2021 22:39:16 GMT
Problem is it’s moving further away from the common working man. People are getting withdrawn from it due to the extortionate money changing hands and the celebrity lifestyle of a lot of the players. It’s just become a bit of a social media celebrity circus and people can’t relate to the players anymore. That said it’s still a great game due to the rivalries and that’s what keeps it interesting.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 17, 2021 22:46:43 GMT
What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. You’ve missed the point. People will always say that something isn’t what it was. It’s gone one for years. It’s what people do, it’s what older generations do because it was a better time back then. Back in my day...... Yep, fair point, don't dispute that. That was poor today you have to admit. Its the not being able to compete without a flailing player doing the dying fly because he felt a touch on the shoulder................please! How do people find this acceptable? My point on Fergie strangling Rooney by stringing him out on the left to "keep a shape" when he was the one player who could unlock things. Let talent flourish, Southgate seems to have taken an age to play Grealish because he's too fluid, I agree with you on Verlinden, let him bloody play and do his own thing. Footy should be an art to enjoy, theres nowt better than seeing two teams go head to head thrashing it out. Those, like today who prefer to play a chess like game because top spot is at stake bore the bleedin pants off me, and I'm not alone. Sky loved it though.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 17, 2021 22:47:33 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. The mavericks were a myth. Mainly because there's a school of thought they didnt play for England enough. Overall, the cold hard truths paint very different picture. Also if there were players like them now they'd quickly become figures of hate and ridicule.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 17, 2021 22:50:11 GMT
I'll forever love Stoke, but my love of the game in general has been dwindling away for years now, to the point where, other than Stoke, I don't watch any football!!!
I've noticed that even defenders now are getting in on the act of diving!!!
If a defender is trying to go for the ball and he has an opposite attacking player breathing down his neck.... If that defender is struggling to get full control of the ball to clear it.... Down he goes, it's the easiest option, and totally ruined the game!!!
We had it when Powell was behind Cooke when we played Bournemouth and McClean put the ball in the net, Cooke had gone down way to easily, because he didn't have full control of the ball to clear it, so down he went!!!
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jan 17, 2021 22:51:53 GMT
The big games are invariably rubbish these days. Derbies, top of the table clashes, finals etc which are all advertised to high heaven and billed as not to be missed are 9 times out of 10 shit/boring. Don’t know whether it’s because the stakes/financial rewards are so high that everyone is desperate not to lose rather than keen to try and win? I’ve found it this way for a good few years now. There’s still the odd exception but they’re few and far between.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 23:03:03 GMT
You’ve missed the point. People will always say that something isn’t what it was. It’s gone one for years. It’s what people do, it’s what older generations do because it was a better time back then. Back in my day...... Yep, fair point, don't dispute that. That was poor today you have to admit. Its the not being able to compete without a flailing player doing the dying fly because he felt a touch on the shoulder................please! How do people find this acceptable? My point on Fergie strangling Rooney by stringing him out on the left to "keep a shape" when he was the one player who could unlock things. Let talent flourish, Southgate seems to have taken an age to play Grealish because he's too fluid, I agree with you on Verlinden, let him bloody play and do his own thing. Footy should be an art to enjoy, theres nowt better than seeing two teams go head to head thrashing it out. Those, like today who prefer to play a chess like game because top spot is at stake bore the bleedin pants off me, and I'm not alone. Sky loved it though. I enjoyed it sorry. Thiago is a magician for me and watching him knocking the ball around with ease is what I want to watch. The only thing it was lacking was some clinical finishing. It was a game how I like it to be played. I thought the defending on show was outstanding too. Fabinho’s positioning meant he didn’t have to be blood and thunder. He read it so well.
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 17, 2021 23:03:38 GMT
I'll forever love Stoke, but my love of the game in general has been dwindling away for years now, to the point where, other than Stoke, I don't watch any football!!! I've noticed that even defenders now are getting in on the act of diving!!! If a defender is trying to go for the ball and he has an opposite attacking player breathing down his neck.... If that defender is struggling to get full control of the ball to clear it.... Down he goes, it's the easiest option, and totally ruined the game!!! We had it when Powell was behind Cooke when we played Bournemouth and McClean put the ball in the net, Cooke had gone down way to easily, because he didn't have full control of the ball to clear it, so down he went!!! Totally agree. Defenders dive more than forwards at the moment. Contact does not equal foul.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 17, 2021 23:10:49 GMT
Yep, fair point, don't dispute that. That was poor today you have to admit. Its the not being able to compete without a flailing player doing the dying fly because he felt a touch on the shoulder................please! How do people find this acceptable? My point on Fergie strangling Rooney by stringing him out on the left to "keep a shape" when he was the one player who could unlock things. Let talent flourish, Southgate seems to have taken an age to play Grealish because he's too fluid, I agree with you on Verlinden, let him bloody play and do his own thing. Footy should be an art to enjoy, theres nowt better than seeing two teams go head to head thrashing it out. Those, like today who prefer to play a chess like game because top spot is at stake bore the bleedin pants off me, and I'm not alone. Sky loved it though. I enjoyed it sorry. Thiago is a magician for me and watching him knocking the ball around with ease is what I want to watch. The only thing it was lacking was some clinical finishing. It was a game how I like it to be played. I thought the defending on show was outstanding too. Fabinho’s positioning meant he didn’t have to be blood and thunder. He read it so well. I suppose thats why its such a great game, all about opinions.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 17, 2021 23:37:04 GMT
The one that makes me scratch my head the most Is the excessive force in a tackle What the bugger is excessive force if you cleanly win the ball it’s a fair tackle How can you measure excessive The tackled player jumps on the floor and shouts out in agony, leading the ref to decide it must have been excessive force. Another one that gets my goat every game without fail is the attacker runs into the defender and falls over and the ref gives a foul. What is the defender supposed to do jump out of the way?! I am not in favour of VAR, but if we have to have it, every game should be scrutinized afterwards to identify all the cheating and punish the players retrospectively with fines, yellow cards and and if warranted suspensions. There was a blatant elbow in the face in one match yesterday that went totally unpunished and ignored by MOTD. It will not happen because of FIFA which is rotten to the core and will not even allow temporary substitutes for blood wounds or checking for concussion.
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Post by franklin on Jan 17, 2021 23:55:08 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. I glad I'm old enough to have seen those players play i dread to think if all I'd seen were these current lot fannying around.
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Post by chrispk on Jan 18, 2021 1:21:45 GMT
I hate the acting like they have had their toes broke or leg snapped after some minimal contact , the ref gives a foul and straight away the player leaps up like he has made a miracle recovery . Mainly because they don’t want to go off the pitch or give the other team a chance to get in their positions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 1:27:16 GMT
When I first went to football driving was common place but rarely frowned upon. Some of the antics at World Cups and in Europe wouldnt stand today but listening to many is a modern day problem. Some of the most gifted players ever are in the current era and the likes of Gascoigne aren't on the samè planet as them.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2021 6:19:42 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. To be honest I think the game is lots better for the reduction in physicality. In this case physicality is a euphemism for violence.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 18, 2021 7:30:28 GMT
Another one that boils my piss is when a defender doesn’t move and the attacker dangles his leg out and touches the defender and goes down like a bag of shit
Penalty
How can it be a penalty if all the defender has done is stood there
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 7:41:07 GMT
I still love Stoke and I still like football, when a half decent game is on I'll generally watch it but I don't love it anymore and rarely find myself looking forward to a game.
Much rather watch a Cricket Test Match than Man Utd v Liverpool, just a personal view.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 7:43:26 GMT
I still love Stoke and I still like football, when a half decent game is on I'll generally watch it but I don't love it anymore and rarely find myself looking forward to a game. Much rather watch a Cricket Test Match than Man Utd v Liverpool, just a personal view. I’ve noticed quite a few Stoke fans like this. It’s why I’m adamant most of you don’t actually like football 😂
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Post by bingbang on Jan 18, 2021 8:12:38 GMT
What people are saying is that this isn’t the game they fell in love with. It is now so far from the game we watched in the 70s 80s and 90s pre Sky.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 8:18:18 GMT
What people are saying is that this isn’t the game they fell in love with. It is now so far from the game we watched in the 70s 80s and 90s pre Sky. And people are saying back is suck it up. 😂
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2021 9:01:06 GMT
I remember being told football was dead 40 years ago. But here we all are. What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. Coached it out of Rooney? The shit"s all time leading scorer. England's all time leading scorer. Champions League winner. 5 premier league winner medals. Yeah, his career was ruined.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 9:16:58 GMT
I still love Stoke and I still like football, when a half decent game is on I'll generally watch it but I don't love it anymore and rarely find myself looking forward to a game. Much rather watch a Cricket Test Match than Man Utd v Liverpool, just a personal view. I’ve noticed quite a few Stoke fans like this. It’s why I’m adamant most of you don’t actually like football 😂 You're so black and white aren't you? how have you taken what I've said as meaning I don't like football? maybe you're just too obsessed with it, which is more likely.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:18:02 GMT
What? Around 1980 Joe Never, Adams Bould Keown, Kennedy Souness Hansen Watson Smith etc bounding into tackles?? Its gone soft mate. But yes, come 20 years time footy will still be here, no doubt tippy tappying and blowing each other down while picking up a million pounds a week. On a side note, but along the same lines, where have all the mavericks gone? You know, the players that had it all because it came so naturally? Rooney for one, Fergie coached it well out of him, Currie Bowles Best Marsh Hudson Gazza? The closest we come today is Grealish who wont last long when he gets his move. Totally different game these days and yes I admit we can't live in the past but there is change, and there is change for changes sake, no need. Coached it out of Rooney? The shit"s all time leading scorer. England's all time leading scorer. Champions League winner. 5 premier league winner medals. Yeah, his career was ruined. Indeed there's the argument to say he probably didn't achieve what he could have done if he had looked after himself better and was more professional with diet etc. At the top level, he's about as it gets now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:18:57 GMT
I’ve noticed quite a few Stoke fans like this. It’s why I’m adamant most of you don’t actually like football 😂 You're so black and white aren't you? how have you taken what I've said as meaning I don't like football? maybe you're just too obsessed with it, which is more likely. No I'm not black and white but it's an observation that fits a lot of Stoke fans. And I think it fits well here
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 9:21:17 GMT
You're so black and white aren't you? how have you taken what I've said as meaning I don't like football? maybe you're just too obsessed with it, which is more likely. No I'm not black and white but it's an observation that fits a lot of Stoke fans. And I think it fits well here So let me get this right, even though I said "I like football" in my original post and that I watch football a lot, you still think I don't like it?... so, what reason do you have for me watching a lot of it then? because I like to make myself miserable going by your logic? you're on your arse here.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 18, 2021 9:21:53 GMT
Coached it out of Rooney? The shit"s all time leading scorer. England's all time leading scorer. Champions League winner. 5 premier league winner medals. Yeah, his career was ruined. Indeed there's the argument to say he probably didn't achieve what he could have done if he had looked after himself better and was more professional with diet etc. At the top level, he's about as it gets now. Disagree. Rooney’s record speaks for itself. The only real low mark is his crap World Cup record. That aside he was top notch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2021 9:23:14 GMT
Indeed there's the argument to say he probably didn't achieve what he could have done if he had looked after himself better and was more professional with diet etc. At the top level, he's about as it gets now. Disagree. Rooney’s record speaks for itself. The only real low mark is his crap World Cup record. That aside he was top notch. Oh it's a good record but he could have been better if he had looked after himself, it's why so many like him. He's a bit flawed. His body shape is that of a fan not a footballer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 18, 2021 9:27:13 GMT
I still love Stoke and I still like football, when a half decent game is on I'll generally watch it but I don't love it anymore and rarely find myself looking forward to a game. Much rather watch a Cricket Test Match than Man Utd v Liverpool, just a personal view. I agree
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2021 9:28:53 GMT
I still love Stoke and I still like football, when a half decent game is on I'll generally watch it but I don't love it anymore and rarely find myself looking forward to a game. Much rather watch a Cricket Test Match than Man Utd v Liverpool, just a personal view. I agree You can't say that, Bayern will immediately think you hate football
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