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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:11:09 GMT
Is that why you think TP was sacked? š Yep.... not solely. But generally, a large growing pressure was from a swathe of sudden supporters that suddenly noticed that was that local team on their telebox and so thought it be grande to get involved and do some visits to the premier footy game but were shocked to see that it wasnāt as shiney and glorious as those top stars on tele made it out to be. Then the groans and grumbles came.... yada yada blah blah Complete nonsense. Weād started to go backwards. He failed to win 78% of his games in his last 18 months. Heād dismantled the exciting team heād built and replaced it with a plodding one that finished 92nd and 91st in the pyramid for goals scored. In his last season we won just three times after Boxing Day including a run of one win in four months and started to flirt with relegation. He lost the plot in the transfer market. Results and performances had declined over a decent length of time and the board acted swiftly. If theyād done the same with Hughes heād be a lot more fondly remembered. Also Hughesā first two and best seasons saw him spend not much money at all, so itās not true to say those finishes were achieved through him spending loads.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:13:24 GMT
Heās on your side you fool. Why canāt you answer the question? Why couldnāt Pulis finish as high as (apparently inconsequential) ninth? What side? Whoās side of what? And That wasnāt my question to answer. He couldnāt finish higher than ninth because what the heck did 9th place have to do with TP, who the hell was talking about 9th place when TP was here? Iām not sure what you mean? What do you mean āwhat did it have to do with TPā? Are you saying, after he spent Ā£100m and built an excellent side at one time, that he couldnāt possibly have been expected to deliver that? But Hughes, who apparently did nothing but inherit Pulisā side, could deliver it and that somehow reflects well on Pulis and poorly on him? How does that work?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:15:40 GMT
Yep.... not solely. But generally, a large growing pressure was from a swathe of sudden supporters that suddenly noticed that was that local team on their telebox and so thought it be grande to get involved and do some visits to the premier footy game but were shocked to see that it wasnāt as shiney and glorious as those top stars on tele made it out to be. Then the groans and grumbles came.... yada yada blah blah Complete nonsense. Weād started to go backwards. He failed to win 78% of his games in his last 18 months. Heād dismantled the exciting team heād built and replaced it with a plodding one that finished 92nd and 91st in the pyramid for goals scored. In his last season we won just three times after Boxing Day including a run of one win in four months and started to flirt with relegation. He lost the plot in the transfer market. Results and performances had declined over a decent length of time and the board acted swiftly. If theyād done the same with Hughes heād be a lot more fondly remembered. Also Hughesā first two and best seasons saw him spend not much money at all, so itās not true to say those finishes were achieved through him spending loads. Look I get your stance, you donāt need to try and show how much you loved the MH.... Your point on Mh first few seasons not spending much and doing better - case in point. He had a decent team a decent grunty bunch of work horses that sweat blood for the club - which he then dismantled, spent shit loads and sent us down then pan - of which were still taking paracetamol and dioralyte to try and get over the hang over! Oh yeaaaah, alll haaaiiil Huuugghess....!!!....... 9th place š¦
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:21:12 GMT
Complete nonsense. Weād started to go backwards. He failed to win 78% of his games in his last 18 months. Heād dismantled the exciting team heād built and replaced it with a plodding one that finished 92nd and 91st in the pyramid for goals scored. In his last season we won just three times after Boxing Day including a run of one win in four months and started to flirt with relegation. He lost the plot in the transfer market. Results and performances had declined over a decent length of time and the board acted swiftly. If theyād done the same with Hughes heād be a lot more fondly remembered. Also Hughesā first two and best seasons saw him spend not much money at all, so itās not true to say those finishes were achieved through him spending loads. Look I get your stance, you donāt need to try and show how much you loved the MH.... Your point on Mh first few seasons not spending much and doing better - case in point. He had a decent team a decent grunty bunch of work horses that sweat blood for the club - which he then dismantled, spent shit loads and sent us down then pan - of which were still taking paracetamol and dioralyte to try and get over the hang over! Oh yeaaaah, alll haaaiiil Huuugghess....!!!....... 9th place š¦ So again, why couldnāt Pulis manage that with the same bunch? His bunch, who he signed, that rubbish old Hughes merely inherited, why couldnāt they crack the top half under the man who signed them? I didnāt love Hughes, I wanted him sacked a good year before he was. He did a good job for a while though and we played some really good, exciting stuff at times. And the revisionism about why Pulis was sacked is ludicrous and ignores what actually happened.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:21:19 GMT
What side? Whoās side of what? And That wasnāt my question to answer. He couldnāt finish higher than ninth because what the heck did 9th place have to do with TP, who the hell was talking about 9th place when TP was here? Iām not sure what you mean? What do you mean āwhat did it have to do with TPā? Are you saying, after he spent Ā£100m and built an excellent side at one time, that he couldnāt possibly have been expected to deliver that? But Hughes, who apparently did nothing but inherit Pulisā side, could deliver it and that somehow reflects well on Pulis and poorly on him? How does that work? Not sure why this has become so contentious, you liked Hughes, you maybe still do. I was merely suggesting heās a league club transfer rotter that would be better suited to international no signings situ. I donāt like paying a Ā£18m player to play in our reserves and a plethora of other players that have at all cost by every other manager tried at their most to keep away from our club. I think maybe as a club manager heās just maybe a bit too....Toxic? Oh wait... mark.... is this your vengeance? š±
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 17, 2021 22:22:03 GMT
Hughes had us playing the best football quite a lot of Stoke fans have seen in their lifetime and signed some of the most exciting players weāve had in recent times also.
He lost the plot and should have been sacked long before he was but Iāll prefer to look back on his tenure with results such as the battering of both Manchester Clubs, the Liverpool humiliation on Gerrardās final game no less, the utter piss we took out of Villa when we won 4-1 in their own back yard etc., it wasnāt Hughesā fault that he was sacked long after he should be.
Anyone who canāt see just how good a team we were in the peak Hughes days is either very bitter about the demise or one of those fucking weirdos thatās obsessed with Pulis and should be locked in a dark room away from civilisation.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 17, 2021 22:24:03 GMT
see you didnt Ɣnswer the 1uestion Ɣnd focused instead on a bad signing over many good ones. Name a manager who didn't make a poor signing or simply avoid answering that as well Wollscheid, Haugaard, Joselu, Imbula, Bony, Sidwell, Guidetti, Agudelo, Berahino, Sobhi, Fletcher, Choupo-Moting, Zouma, Jese & The notorious B I G- Wimmer. Put a couple of loans in and left some out, I can focus on more than one signing ! Bony, Guidetti, Zouma and Jese were all loans Haugaard, Sidwell, Agedelo, Fletcher and Choupo were all frees Wolly cost 2.75m and was half decent for the money, Joselu cost 5.7m and we sold him for 5m, Sobhi cost 5m and we sod him for 5.7m. So from your list the signings of Berahino and Wimmer were pretty shit
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Post by march4 on Jan 17, 2021 22:24:05 GMT
We would have won the cup had TP stayed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:26:51 GMT
Iām not sure what you mean? What do you mean āwhat did it have to do with TPā? Are you saying, after he spent Ā£100m and built an excellent side at one time, that he couldnāt possibly have been expected to deliver that? But Hughes, who apparently did nothing but inherit Pulisā side, could deliver it and that somehow reflects well on Pulis and poorly on him? How does that work? Not sure why this has become so contentious, you liked Hughes, you maybe still do. I was merely suggesting heās a league club transfer rotter that would be better suited to international no signings situ. I donāt like paying a Ā£18m player to play in our reserves and a plethora of other players that have at all cost by every other manager tried at their most to keep away from our club. I think maybe as a club manager heās just maybe a bit too....Toxic? Oh wait... mark.... is this your vengeance? š± You werenāt āmerely suggesting thatā, you suggested the dastardly ungrateful fans got TP the sack for nothing and that all Hughes did was take over Pulisā team and nothing more.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:27:02 GMT
Hughes had us playing the best football quite a lot of Stoke fans have seen in their lifetime and signed some of the most exciting players weāve had in recent times also. He lost the plot and should have been sacked long before he was but Iāll prefer to look back on his tenure with results such as the battering of both Manchester Clubs, the Liverpool humiliation on Gerrardās final game no less, the utter piss we took out of Villa when we won 4-1 in their own back yard etc., it wasnāt Hughesā fault that he was sacked long after he should be. Anyone who canāt see just how good a team we were in the peak Hughes days is either very bitter about the demise or one of those fucking weirdos thatās obsessed with Pulis and should be locked in a dark room away from civilisation. Or perhaps some fans donāt see it as black and white and dogmatic as you suggest? We dogged out results against the big teams during the TP days and yes Hughes signed some great players who made us look exciting.... But far fetched though to suggest fans should be shut in a dark room though because they donāt see things as you do though right? Almost as if you could write anything and denounce anyone without any correlation as to the discussion. Which is the kind of rhetoric that would be better suited in a dark room rather than an open forum?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:28:49 GMT
Not sure why this has become so contentious, you liked Hughes, you maybe still do. I was merely suggesting heās a league club transfer rotter that would be better suited to international no signings situ. I donāt like paying a Ā£18m player to play in our reserves and a plethora of other players that have at all cost by every other manager tried at their most to keep away from our club. I think maybe as a club manager heās just maybe a bit too....Toxic? Oh wait... mark.... is this your vengeance? š± You werenāt āmerely suggesting thatā, you suggested the dastardly ungrateful fans got TP the sack for nothing and that all Hughes did was take over Pulisā team and nothing more. That is partly what Iām suggesting, Iām aware that thereās is a multitude of elements that came into play around the issue. Was merely getting granular to respond to your granular queries.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 17, 2021 22:30:38 GMT
Hughes had us playing the best football quite a lot of Stoke fans have seen in their lifetime and signed some of the most exciting players weāve had in recent times also. He lost the plot and should have been sacked long before he was but Iāll prefer to look back on his tenure with results such as the battering of both Manchester Clubs, the Liverpool humiliation on Gerrardās final game no less, the utter piss we took out of Villa when we won 4-1 in their own back yard etc., it wasnāt Hughesā fault that he was sacked long after he should be. Anyone who canāt see just how good a team we were in the peak Hughes days is either very bitter about the demise or one of those fucking weirdos thatās obsessed with Pulis and should be locked in a dark room away from civilisation. Or perhaps some fans donāt see it as black and white and dogmatic as you suggest? We dogged out results against the big teams during the TP days and yes Hughes signed some great players who made us look exciting.... But far fetched though to suggest fans should be shut in a dark room though because they donāt see things as you do though right? Almost as if you could write anything and denounce anyone without any correlation as to the discussion. Which is the kind of rhetoric that would be better suited in a dark room rather than an open forum? The discussion is about Hughes and yet unsurprisingly the capped one is dragged into it. We might have dogged out results in the TP days but in the Hughes days we dished out absolute toolings to those same teams, rather than the good old steak and chips approach. Some fans donāt want to acknowledge Hughesā success because they, for some strange reason, are still obsessed with Tony Pulis.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:33:52 GMT
Or perhaps some fans donāt see it as black and white and dogmatic as you suggest? We dogged out results against the big teams during the TP days and yes Hughes signed some great players who made us look exciting.... But far fetched though to suggest fans should be shut in a dark room though because they donāt see things as you do though right? Almost as if you could write anything and denounce anyone without any correlation as to the discussion. Which is the kind of rhetoric that would be better suited in a dark room rather than an open forum? The discussion is about Hughes and yet unsurprisingly the capped one is dragged into it. We might have dogged out results in the TP days but in the Hughes days we dished out absolute toolings to those same teams, rather than the good old steak and chips approach. Some fans donāt want to acknowledge Hughesā success because they, for some strange reason, are still obsessed with Tony Pulis. Yeah you got me! I have a life size poster of Pulis on my bedroom wall and we smooch daily. Iām sure youre super jealous though as I know MH didnāt give you a call back after that message you sent. Aww bless āŗļø Chin up soldier.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:33:56 GMT
You werenāt āmerely suggesting thatā, you suggested the dastardly ungrateful fans got TP the sack for nothing and that all Hughes did was take over Pulisā team and nothing more. That is partly what Iām suggesting, Iām aware that thereās is a multitude of elements that came into play around the issue. Was merely getting granular to respond to your granular queries. You havenāt responded to them though, youāve ignored the facts about Pulisā sacking to spin a half baked theory about ungrateful fans and you havenāt answered the āwhy couldnāt Pulis finish as highā question? You talk about results against the big clubs but we actually probably got more good results against them (or as many) in the couple of years after heād left.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 17, 2021 22:35:48 GMT
The discussion is about Hughes and yet unsurprisingly the capped one is dragged into it. We might have dogged out results in the TP days but in the Hughes days we dished out absolute toolings to those same teams, rather than the good old steak and chips approach. Some fans donāt want to acknowledge Hughesā success because they, for some strange reason, are still obsessed with Tony Pulis. Yeah you got me! I have a life size poster of Pulis on my bedroom wall and we smooch daily. Iām sure youre super jealous though as I know MH didnāt give you a call back after that message you sent. Aww bless āŗļø Chin up soldier. Quite impressive how youāve gone from questioning rhetorics to bleating something Iād expect to hear from one of the more intellectually challenged kids on the school playground in the space of two posts. Thanks for proving my point as well by the way.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 17, 2021 22:38:47 GMT
Hughes had us playing the best football quite a lot of Stoke fans have seen in their lifetime and signed some of the most exciting players weāve had in recent times also. He lost the plot and should have been sacked long before he was but Iāll prefer to look back on his tenure with results such as the battering of both Manchester Clubs, the Liverpool humiliation on Gerrardās final game no less, the utter piss we took out of Villa when we won 4-1 in their own back yard etc., it wasnāt Hughesā fault that he was sacked long after he should be. Anyone who canāt see just how good a team we were in the peak Hughes days is either very bitter about the demise or one of those fucking weirdos thatās obsessed with Pulis and should be locked in a dark room away from civilisation. Arnie for a few mil was an insane signing. What a player.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:42:46 GMT
That is partly what Iām suggesting, Iām aware that thereās is a multitude of elements that came into play around the issue. Was merely getting granular to respond to your granular queries. You havenāt responded to them though, youāve ignored the facts about Pulisā sacking to spin a half baked theory about ungrateful fans and you havenāt answered the āwhy couldnāt Pulis finish as highā question? You talk about results against the big clubs but we actually probably got more good results against them (or as many) in the couple of years after heād left. I havenāt answered the āPulis finishing higherā because as Iāve already said quite clearly - nothing to do with me - that was a quark with another poster before my comment. I have though answered that already out of kindness for you but yes - letās stick to the facts! The facts! As to why Pulis was Sacked! : a tale by Toxic Avenger. What you on about āfactsā?? Jeez, stop trying to just argue and spunk your agenda everywhere and maybe take a moment to embrace difference and alternative thinking. I came here wot say that I believe MH ruined our club as to where we were, whether what TP could / should have done š¤·š»āāļø. I know for a fact that thanks to MH weāve probably cancelled more professional players contracts than any other club in the past what 10-20yrs??? (I would like some stats and a steer on this point). We have been in the duldrums of trying to shake off league 1 for the past 3 years and we have fans denouncing a manager that has currently got us going again (mainly on the basis of being boring!!!?!?) If you wanna sit here and quibble as to the importance of MH - go for it. Iām just trying to say - (as I I Did in initial post) I hope if heās manager again I hope itās solely international.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:45:26 GMT
You havenāt responded to them though, youāve ignored the facts about Pulisā sacking to spin a half baked theory about ungrateful fans and you havenāt answered the āwhy couldnāt Pulis finish as highā question? You talk about results against the big clubs but we actually probably got more good results against them (or as many) in the couple of years after heād left. I havenāt answered the āPulis finishing higherā because as Iāve already said quite clearly - nothing to do with me - that was a quark with another poster before my comment. I have though answered that already out of kindness for you but yes - letās stick to the facts! The facts! As to why Pulis was Sacked! : a tale by Toxic Avenger. What you on about āfactsā?? Jeez, stop trying to just argue and spunk your agenda everywhere and maybe take a moment to embrace difference and alternative thinking. I came here wot say that I believe MH ruined our club as to where we were, whether what TP could / should have done š¤·š»āāļø. I know for a fact that thanks to MH weāve probably cancelled more professional players contracts than any other club in the past what 10-20yrs??? (I would like some stats and a steer on this point). We have been in the duldrums of trying to shake off league 1 for the past 3 years and we have fans denouncing a manager that has currently got us going again (mainly on the basis of being boring!!!?!?) If you wanna sit here and quibble as to the importance of MH - go for it. Iām just trying to say - (as I I Did in initial post) I hope if heās manager again I hope itās solely international. The facts are that our results had declined significantly and the goals had dried up. Your āalternative thinkingā isnāt actually based on anything is it? You didnāt answer the question because you canāt.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:48:04 GMT
I havenāt answered the āPulis finishing higherā because as Iāve already said quite clearly - nothing to do with me - that was a quark with another poster before my comment. I have though answered that already out of kindness for you but yes - letās stick to the facts! The facts! As to why Pulis was Sacked! : a tale by Toxic Avenger. What you on about āfactsā?? Jeez, stop trying to just argue and spunk your agenda everywhere and maybe take a moment to embrace difference and alternative thinking. I came here wot say that I believe MH ruined our club as to where we were, whether what TP could / should have done š¤·š»āāļø. I know for a fact that thanks to MH weāve probably cancelled more professional players contracts than any other club in the past what 10-20yrs??? (I would like some stats and a steer on this point). We have been in the duldrums of trying to shake off league 1 for the past 3 years and we have fans denouncing a manager that has currently got us going again (mainly on the basis of being boring!!!?!?) If you wanna sit here and quibble as to the importance of MH - go for it. Iām just trying to say - (as I I Did in initial post) I hope if heās manager again I hope itās solely international. The facts are that our results had declined significantly and the goals had dried up. Your āalternative thinkingā isnāt actually based on anything is it? Ok yeah my thinking isnāt based on anything - just as your thinking might only be made up on your thinking but hey ho - good point. Iām just trying to say that while youāre š¦ banging about MH being our Messiah- I might be just calling him āa very naughty boy!ā
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:52:16 GMT
The facts are that our results had declined significantly and the goals had dried up. Your āalternative thinkingā isnāt actually based on anything is it? Ok yeah my thinking isnāt based on anything - just as your thinking might only be made up on your thinking but hey ho - good point. Iām just trying to say that while youāre š¦ banging about MH being our Messiah- I might be just calling him āa very naughty boy!ā Again, I havenāt actually said anything like that about Hughes. Like Pulis, he did a great job for a while and then lost the plot and was sacked - sadly a long time after he should have been. Again, my argument is based on the results declining in his last two seasons, the lack of goals, the poor signings. Your argument that it was because some naughty fans were bored and ungrateful and nothing else is based on what?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 22:55:51 GMT
Ok yeah my thinking isnāt based on anything - just as your thinking might only be made up on your thinking but hey ho - good point. Iām just trying to say that while youāre š¦ banging about MH being our Messiah- I might be just calling him āa very naughty boy!ā Again, I havenāt actually said anything like that about Hughes. Like Pulis, he did a great job for a while and then lost the plot and was sacked - sadly a long time after he should have been. Again, my argument is based on the results declining in his last two seasons, the lack of goals, the poor signings. Your argument that it was because some naughty fans were bored and ungrateful and nothing else is based on what? Hey Toxic, give it a rest yeah. You canāt see beyond and itās quibbles for quibbles sake at the mo. Have a good rest of eve and an enjoyable week šš¼
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2021 22:57:17 GMT
Again, I havenāt actually said anything like that about Hughes. Like Pulis, he did a great job for a while and then lost the plot and was sacked - sadly a long time after he should have been. Again, my argument is based on the results declining in his last two seasons, the lack of goals, the poor signings. Your argument that it was because some naughty fans were bored and ungrateful and nothing else is based on what? Hey Toxic, give it a rest yeah. You canāt see beyond and itās quibbles for quibbles sake at the mo. Have a good rest of eve and an enjoyable week šš¼ Canāt see beyond what? Youāre reduced to vagaries because you donāt actually have an argument.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 17, 2021 23:01:34 GMT
So what?Ā Pulis couldn't take us any higher, Hughes came in and made us a lot better and gave us some of the best football we have ever seen Stoke play. He made us serious contenders in the Premier league.Ā Why wouldn't you be happy with what he did for us? I find it odd.Ā Serious contenders?? We finished ninth,a couple of places/points more than where we had achieved previously. In the process we spunked shit loads of money and he sent us down! He's an absolute wanker. People may think I'm on a fishing trip but I'm genuinely not. I can't stand the bloke Yes, that team could have gotten into Europe and competed easily. We could beat anybody on our day. Itās evident you hate him, just canāt see how you can give him zero credit. Has he fucked your wife or something?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 23:12:44 GMT
Hey Toxic, give it a rest yeah. You canāt see beyond and itās quibbles for quibbles sake at the mo. Have a good rest of eve and an enjoyable week šš¼ Canāt see beyond what? Youāre reduced to vagaries because you donāt actually have an argument. Yeah youāre right I donāt have an argument, just an opinion - which canāt be said for your self, itās evident that youāve got loads of the arguments though, probably enough to make up for us both so Iāll let you take the arguments sake and letās take the argu out of the ments and stick them back to the ments of the argu or whatever you want to do with it. I hope it makes sense in your world peace āš» glad you have lots of gusto for it - enjoy your Sunday eve š»!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 17, 2021 23:13:47 GMT
I did worry when Pulis was sacked that we'd do a Charlton after they sacked Curbishley. But I was excited by Hughes taking over, seeing the QPR failure as QPR being a basketcase of a club.
Hughes' success was built on adding skill to the Pulis backbone, and it was awesome while it lasted. Hughes should've been sacked earlier, but hindsight is a great thing, and I can sort of understand why he had so much credit in the bank - though you'd think the board may have taken what was happening in the dressing room etc. more seriously and thought enough was enough much sooner. With hindsight, Hughes oversaw our club's demise and our progress is stymied years later not only thanks to that period, but Rowett's and Jones' too. We're saddled with FFP restrictions thanks to what happened post-Hughes also. I mostly look back at the Hughes era fondly - I doubt I'll ever see anything like "Stokealona" at Stoke again, however successful we are. As time goes by, that period seems to be closing on my favourite time as a Stoke fan, which was under Pulis in those first 2 or 3 Premier League years.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 17, 2021 23:31:20 GMT
The really interesting thing with Hughes is his camp made it clear things happened they didnāt agree with but couldnāt say that the blame was not entirely with them ā who else would do it ā Bowen on talksport ā we are clearly disappointed about some of the things being said ā They were clearly aggrieved at some of the vibes coming out of stoke despite no doubt handsome payout , about Hughes probably why they jumped at Southampton a mistake even if they give us a nudge downwards Those views would be truly fascinating where did they see the true issue ?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 17, 2021 23:35:50 GMT
Yeah.....!?!? šŖ
Toxic avenger - hereās your facts? ā¬ļø??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 23:40:29 GMT
The really interesting thing with Hughes is his camp made it clear things happened they didnāt agree with but couldnāt say that the blame was not entirely with them ā who else would do it ā Bowen on talksport ā we are clearly disappointed about some of the things being said ā They were clearly aggrieved at some of the vibes coming out of stoke despite no doubt handsome payout , about Hughes probably why they jumped at Southampton a mistake even if they give us a nudge downwards Those views would be truly fascinating where did they see the true issue ? No idea what you might be hinting at š¤
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 17, 2021 23:44:44 GMT
Around the transfer thing, Iād love to know who drove how we did things.
Like I know Cedric Soares was at the training ground and they thought he had signed.
He didnāt but then next on the list was Glen Johnson.
Yeah he had a few good months.
But we went from a player on the up, with resale value etc to someone who after 6 months of signing was done.
The logic behind it just doesnāt seem there. What drove that?
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 18, 2021 0:13:12 GMT
Some people just don't appreciate what we had, be it TP or MH, FFS we have had a cracking 12 years or so.
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