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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 23, 2021 6:25:58 GMT
A good idea, but it takes time to change consumer behaviour. That's not a reason not to do it now but a lot of these small companies don't have time. The government should've been doing what you say a year ago (or maybe two). This was announced yesterday: www.gov.uk/government/news/increased-support-for-fishing-and-shellfish-businessesThe announcement includes: "The UK fishing and seafood sector is also set to benefit from significant government investment with a £100 million fund to help modernise fishing fleets,....."I'm not a Tory spokesman! Just passing what has been given little attention by the media. More taxpayer support to help offset the costs of Brexit. Splendid.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 23, 2021 10:40:32 GMT
More taxpayer support to help offset the costs of Brexit. Splendid. Wait till you see what the farmers get. Surely £100m to British fishing industry is better than supporting French farmers. The cost of EU membership: www.economicshelp.org/europe/disadvantages-eu/#:~:text=Cost.%20The%20costs%20of%20EU%20membership%20to%20the,regulation%20costs%20%E2%80%93%20or%20%C2%A31,380%20per%20head%20[1]. If the British people had voted to stay in the EU how long do you think the rest of the EU would have allowed the UK to keep its rebate? Without the EU pandemic recovery fund, the EU budget was inflating and I believe in a few years the UK would have been paying £20 billion pa to the EU. They were prepared to allow the UK to keep Euro share trading as long as we were propping up the EU with our net financial contribution and £60 billion pa trade deficit. The £100 million is a lot of money to those British fishermen but on the scale of the nation's finances, it is actually a drop in the ocean. French farmers get circa £10 billion pa of aid. The EU is trying to claw back CAP money paid out in 2008 to 2012, I don't suppose we will see any of that British taxpayer's money back. www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/france-told-to-pay-back-1-1-billion-in-eu-farm-subsidies/
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 23, 2021 11:46:53 GMT
More taxpayer support to help offset the costs of Brexit. Splendid. Gosh shock horror British tax payers money being spent by British politicians on British workers Much better than wanking it up wall supporting French farmers for over feeding geese for their livers and other archaic European farming practices
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2021 12:00:18 GMT
More taxpayer support to help offset the costs of Brexit. Splendid. Gosh shock horror British tax payers money being spent by British politicians on British workers Much better than wanking it up wall supporting French farmers for over feeding geese for their livers and other archaic European farming practices How dare they spend our own money on our own industries disgusting behaviour, whatever next spending our own money on our own people shocking little Englander mentality, this will offend the permanently angry brigade oh well never mind.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 23, 2021 12:37:31 GMT
Fact is its taxpayers' money being spent subsidising something made unviable by Brexit. I don't remember anyone screaming Project Fear saying that would be necessary back in the day.
I don't suppose anyone bothered to watch Countryfile this week with the report on the fishing industry which seemed to be very bleak after Brexit ?
Here's another Twitter thread with a fish connection, but this time its fish food , so maybe it's in the wrong place here
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 23, 2021 14:09:40 GMT
Fact is its taxpayers' money being spent subsidising something made unviable by Brexit. I don't remember anyone screaming Project Fear saying that would be necessary back in the day. I don't suppose anyone bothered to watch Countryfile this week with the report on the fishing industry which seemed to be very bleak after Brexit ? Here's another Twitter thread with a fish connection, but this time its fish food , so maybe it's in the wrong place here As a tax payer I am much happier subsidising British fishing till it gets back on its feet in 5 years time, than the massive subsidies for inefficient French farmers. I did watch Country File; there was no mention of the assistance the government have given to fishing, or the fact that there is now exports of shellfish to the EU, www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/first-oyster-exports-brexit-save-5025070Some years ago subsidies were also going to the French food processing industries and, due to CAP, excess production of Italian tinned tomatoes was being dumped in Ghana damaging their farming industry. Over 80 tonnes per year of excess food production due to the CAP is wasted every years, just so farmers are kept in business. Most of the CAP goes to the richest farmers and much goes to millionaires in the east European states. www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-hungary.htmlThe EU is a rotten corrupt organization that we are best out of. So it will take some time to adjust to our leaving, but it is far better for our country.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 23, 2021 16:44:25 GMT
More taxpayer support to help offset the costs of Brexit. Splendid. Gosh shock horror British tax payers money being spent by British politicians on British workers Much better than wanking it up wall supporting French farmers for over feeding geese for their livers and other archaic European farming practices Ahh, the lovely whiff of xenophobia from Brexiteers, conna beat it!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 23, 2021 16:45:20 GMT
Fact is its taxpayers' money being spent subsidising something made unviable by Brexit. I don't remember anyone screaming Project Fear saying that would be necessary back in the day. I don't suppose anyone bothered to watch Countryfile this week with the report on the fishing industry which seemed to be very bleak after Brexit ? Here's another Twitter thread with a fish connection, but this time its fish food , so maybe it's in the wrong place here As a tax payer I am much happier subsidising British fishing till it gets back on its feet in 5 years time, than the massive subsidies for inefficient French farmers. I did watch Country File; there was no mention of the assistance the government have given to fishing, or the fact that there is now exports of shellfish to the EU, www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/first-oyster-exports-brexit-save-5025070Some years ago subsidies were also going to the French food processing industries and, due to CAP, excess production of Italian tinned tomatoes was being dumped in Ghana damaging their farming industry. Over 80 tonnes per year of excess food production due to the CAP is wasted every years, just so farmers are kept in business. Most of the CAP goes to the richest farmers and much goes to millionaires in the east European states. www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-hungary.htmlThe EU is a rotten corrupt organization that we are best out of. So it will take some time to adjust to our leaving, but it is far better for our country. That £350mill a week is stretching an awfully long way!
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Post by thevoid on Feb 23, 2021 17:27:16 GMT
Gosh shock horror British tax payers money being spent by British politicians on British workers Much better than wanking it up wall supporting French farmers for over feeding geese for their livers and other archaic European farming practices Ahh, the lovely whiff of xenophobia from Brexiteers, conna beat it! Whereas French fishermen attacking British boats was 'hands across the water' I suppose? 😄
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 1, 2021 17:35:19 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2021 11:12:16 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 8, 2021 15:16:14 GMT
Uk tomatoes are largely tasteless compared to Mediterranean ones though!
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2021 15:35:17 GMT
Uk tomatoes are largely tasteless compared to Mediterranean ones though! I don't like tomatoes except fried. My wife likes English, Dutch and doesn't object to Polish, but doesn't like Spanish and Moroccan. Everyone's taste is different
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 8, 2021 19:12:51 GMT
Uk tomatoes are largely tasteless compared to Mediterranean ones though! Hi. Don’t wish to get into a Oatcake style debate but I am not sure that is correct. As a nation we have become accustomed to 12 month supplies of many products such as salads and in particular Tomatoes, readily available in our supermarkets. The vast majority of these are grown in and imported from places such as Spain, Portugal and even N Africa. There are thousands of acres of polyurethane tunnels in these areas force growing these crops. And as you say largely tasteless.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 8, 2021 19:39:33 GMT
Uk tomatoes are largely tasteless compared to Mediterranean ones though! Hi. Don’t wish to get into a Oatcake style debate but I am not sure that is correct. As a nation we have become accustomed to 12 month supplies of many products such as salads and in particular Tomatoes, readily available in our supermarkets. The vast majority of these are grown in and imported from places such as Spain, Portugal and even N Africa. There are thousands of acres of polyurethane tunnels in these areas force growing these crops. And as you say largely tasteless. Personally, I always find the best tomatoes are Spanish or Italian. Although the Isle of Wight tomato company do excellent ones (in season).
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 8, 2021 22:05:38 GMT
Uk tomatoes are largely tasteless compared to Mediterranean ones though! Hi. Don’t wish to get into a Oatcake style debate but I am not sure that is correct. As a nation we have become accustomed to 12 month supplies of many products such as salads and in particular Tomatoes, readily available in our supermarkets. The vast majority of these are grown in and imported from places such as Spain, Portugal and even N Africa. There are thousands of acres of polyurethane tunnels in these areas force growing these crops. And as you say largely tasteless. You say you don't want to debate, but The largest proportion of tomatoes are imported from the Netherlands. They are grown under glass in an area equivalent to the area of Stoke and under artificial light. Something I would have thought the UK could do, although it is hardly environmentally friendly, but that doesn't bother people who pick them off the supermarket shelves all year round. From my experience working for an Anglo-Dutch company, companies in the Netherlands get substantial government grants. Then there is CAP money. IMO we should be importing food from third world countries to assist their development, not from rich European farmers, subsidised by tax payers, with protective barriers to inhibit imports.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 9, 2021 8:05:41 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 14, 2021 7:37:04 GMT
The EU is very hypocritical about their environmental standards if it means upsetting some member states. This is a disgraceful disregard for the marine environment and we need to be more assertive jn relation to our fishing waters. Jess Rattle, of the Blue Marine Foundation, accused the EU of being the “biggest contributor” to yellowfin tuna overfishing because of its dominance and use of FADs. “Unsurprisingly, the EU has put forward a yellowfin proposal that is woefully insufficient, would not lead to the timely recovery of the stock and could in fact allow the EU fleet to increase its own catches, compared to 2019,” Rattle said. She welcomed the Maldives proposal, which urges catch reduction, as “in line with IOTC management advice”, adding that it “calls for a much greater catch reduction than the EU’s, takes into account the needs of developing coastal states, and shows truly fantastic leadership that we hope will be met with support from all IOTC members”. Bid to grant MSC 'ecolabel' to bluefin tuna fishery raises fears for ‘king of fish’ Read more Greenpeace described the EU’s proposal as “outrageous and inequitable”, and said neither proposal was enough to rebuild the tuna population. EU accused of ‘neocolonial’ plundering of tuna in Indian Ocean www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/05/eu-accused-of-neocolonial-plundering-of-tuna-in-indian-oceanwww.seafoodsource.com/news/environment-sustainability/tuna-investigation-slams-use-of-fads-in-indian-oceanEU ministers opt to continue overfishing, despite 2020 deadline This article is more than 1 year old Governments accused of ‘betrayal’ for setting quotas to miss sustainability targets www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/18/eu-ministers-opt-to-continue-overfishing-despite-2020-deadline
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 14, 2021 19:15:18 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 16, 2021 14:33:29 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 16, 2021 14:38:52 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 16, 2021 15:03:26 GMT
Great news. What I would like to see is the government now giving more assistance to the fishing industry to wash shellfish to facilitate resumption of sales to the EU like this Cornish business: www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/first-oyster-exports-brexit-save-5025070Over the next 5 years the UK can start to rebuild the industry, subject to sensible, sustainable methods. The industry has been hit again this year due to EU intransigence, refusing to accept shellfish on safety grounds on 1st January when it as satisfactory on the day before, based on a technicality. We lost control of UK waters when we joined the EU, but the main damage done to the industry has been the over fishing due to the greed of the French, Dutch, and Belgians, using very damaging methods. In 5 years we should have full control of our waters providing no future government betrays the fishing industry yet again. Past government have sold out on the industry leading to the destruction of so many fishing communities. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1071781.stmIt is doubtful the industry will get back to days before we joined Europe, due the disgraceful overfishing during the EU years.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2021 10:20:56 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 26, 2021 18:01:23 GMT
Not necessarily to do with Brexit, whatsoever....but we now need to take more seriously our responsibility for our coastal waters and take more decisive action
....https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158982888733674&id=311627208673
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 27, 2021 11:14:50 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 27, 2021 12:37:48 GMT
We've got a massive challenge to get our act together and to take our responsibilities seriously in respect of protecting our fishing waters and the environment. I don't think we've politically reached the realisation that we can make decisions. It will take a while but perhaps the next generation of politicians might step.up. I hope it isn't too late.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 1, 2021 17:02:50 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 14, 2021 10:30:34 GMT
The UK seas are an incredible, dynamic ecosystem, that provide thousands of jobs, a sustainable supply of food, thriving communities, clean energy, awe-inspiring nature and so much more. The ocean has absorbed over 90% of heat and almost a third of all carbon dioxide that humans have ever produced. Here in the UK, our coastal ecosystems are an unsung hero in the climate and nature recovery. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? Right now, our once-powerful seas are being forgotten and are becoming fragile. The more carbon dioxide the ocean absorbs, the more acidic it becomes. Add to that over-fishing, pollution, coastal development and rising temperatures; the ocean is in crisis. Current laws are failing to protect UK seas, and they are in serious trouble. In fact less than 1% of UK seas are properly protected. The ocean can be a hero, but only if we allow it to be. SIGN THE PETITION WHAT’S THE SOLUTION? We need the next 10 years to be the turning point for our ocean, or we risk destroying them. We need the Government to commit this year to a 10-year strategy that will halt the devastating decline of ocean health, maximise the potential of the ocean as a climate hero and set our ocean on the path to recovery. Add your voice to tell Environment Secretary George Eustice that you want the Government to recover UK seas. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158977957033674&id=311627208673
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 14, 2021 10:40:27 GMT
The UK seas are an incredible, dynamic ecosystem, that provide thousands of jobs, a sustainable supply of food, thriving communities, clean energy, awe-inspiring nature and so much more. The ocean has absorbed over 90% of heat and almost a third of all carbon dioxide that humans have ever produced. Here in the UK, our coastal ecosystems are an unsung hero in the climate and nature recovery. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? Right now, our once-powerful seas are being forgotten and are becoming fragile. The more carbon dioxide the ocean absorbs, the more acidic it becomes. Add to that over-fishing, pollution, coastal development and rising temperatures; the ocean is in crisis. Current laws are failing to protect UK seas, and they are in serious trouble. In fact less than 1% of UK seas are properly protected. The ocean can be a hero, but only if we allow it to be. SIGN THE PETITION WHAT’S THE SOLUTION? We need the next 10 years to be the turning point for our ocean, or we risk destroying them. We need the Government to commit this year to a 10-year strategy that will halt the devastating decline of ocean health, maximise the potential of the ocean as a climate hero and set our ocean on the path to recovery. Add your voice to tell Environment Secretary George Eustice that you want the Government to recover UK seas. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158977957033674&id=311627208673Your faith in the government's interest in the environment is touching, and well-meant, if a little misplaced. I'm sure they've done the focus groups and know full well that the environment is way down the list of concerns for most right-wingers. In which case, they don't need to worry about it. It'll be the first thing to be thrown under the bus if a conflict occurs with other policy areas such as economic growth, money, trade etc (ie the things that matter most to the people who vote Tory). The direction of travel for environmental protection is already apparent in the first few months post transition period, so while I fully agree with the environmental concerns in your post, these lot are not going to deliver for you, based on previous and current evidence.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 14, 2021 11:33:45 GMT
The UK seas are an incredible, dynamic ecosystem, that provide thousands of jobs, a sustainable supply of food, thriving communities, clean energy, awe-inspiring nature and so much more. The ocean has absorbed over 90% of heat and almost a third of all carbon dioxide that humans have ever produced. Here in the UK, our coastal ecosystems are an unsung hero in the climate and nature recovery. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? Right now, our once-powerful seas are being forgotten and are becoming fragile. The more carbon dioxide the ocean absorbs, the more acidic it becomes. Add to that over-fishing, pollution, coastal development and rising temperatures; the ocean is in crisis. Current laws are failing to protect UK seas, and they are in serious trouble. In fact less than 1% of UK seas are properly protected. The ocean can be a hero, but only if we allow it to be. SIGN THE PETITION WHAT’S THE SOLUTION? We need the next 10 years to be the turning point for our ocean, or we risk destroying them. We need the Government to commit this year to a 10-year strategy that will halt the devastating decline of ocean health, maximise the potential of the ocean as a climate hero and set our ocean on the path to recovery. Add your voice to tell Environment Secretary George Eustice that you want the Government to recover UK seas. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158977957033674&id=311627208673Your faith in the government's interest in the environment is touching, and well-meant, if a little misplaced. I'm sure they've done the focus groups and know full well that the environment is way down the list of concerns for most right-wingers. In which case, they don't need to worry about it. It'll be the first thing to be thrown under the bus if a conflict occurs with other policy areas such as economic growth, money, trade etc (ie the things that matter most to the people who vote Tory). The direction of travel for environmental protection is already apparent in the first few months post transition period, so while I fully agree with the environmental concerns in your post, these lot are not going to deliver for you, based on previous and current evidence. The petition is against the government, lobbying for action. You constantly limit yourself to criticism of THIS government, it is possible to change government...I suppose you have a point since any left wing opposition has made itself unelectable. Specifically on EU fishing methods, they should be doing something about it themselves, for such a moral organisation....try lobbying them, or changing their direction.
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