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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 1, 2021 18:30:17 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 1, 2021 18:46:54 GMT
Absolute disgrace let’s hope we can now put a stop to it
There’s been a lot of fuss about the French but like there agriculture a large amount remains pretty much inefficient
Yet somehow the Dutch seem to get a free pass in the press Whilst raping the seas
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 1, 2021 19:04:23 GMT
I think this will be the first test around the so called independence. As much as I hope these types of fishing are banned, I shan’t hold my breath but more important will be the outcome as it sets the tone for what the UK thinks it can do and what it actually can do.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 1, 2021 19:18:54 GMT
Also Kate Hoey seems to think that we can ban the super fishing trawlers. If so I think that we have a responsibility to do so for environmental reasons and sustainability.......surely the EU would agree ...because it represents a " higher environmental standard"...and would require Holland to conform, in light of the level playing field criteria.....surely the other 26 member states would support it, being an environmental advance....simply....it's the right thing to do. / Is that the pro fox-hunting Kate Hoey ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 1, 2021 19:24:48 GMT
Also Kate Hoey seems to think that we can ban the super fishing trawlers. If so I think that we have a responsibility to do so for environmental reasons and sustainability.......surely the EU would agree ...because it represents a " higher environmental standard"...and would require Holland to conform, in light of the level playing field criteria.....surely the other 26 member states would support it, being an environmental advance....simply....it's the right thing to do. / Is that the pro fox-hunting Kate Hoey ? Might be, the ex Labour MP
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 1, 2021 19:28:41 GMT
Also Kate Hoey seems to think that we can ban the super fishing trawlers. If so I think that we have a responsibility to do so for environmental reasons and sustainability.......surely the EU would agree ...because it represents a " higher environmental standard"...and would require Holland to conform, in light of the level playing field criteria.....surely the other 26 member states would support it, being an environmental advance....simply....it's the right thing to do. / Is that the pro fox-hunting Kate Hoey ? What’s that got to do with fishing
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 1, 2021 19:34:39 GMT
I think this will be the first test around the so called independence. As much as I hope these types of fishing are banned, I shan’t hold my breath but more important will be the outcome as it sets the tone for what the UK thinks it can do and what it actually can do. It could be, But it might take 5 years to get there when ,I believe, the quotas/ agreement is up for review. I don't think it SHOULD take thst long , partly because the EU should, in my opinion, be in favour of the ban.....they are in a difficult position really if it is presented properly. One thing though.....if it wasn't for Brexit it would not even be on the agenda and we would not have a meaningful say. I wonder why the EU hasn't banned them already?🤫
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 1, 2021 19:38:38 GMT
From the Greenpeace link above
Why are supertrawlers allowed to fish in MPAs? It’s simple: when the government created these MPAs, they couldn’t make the rules strong enough. That’s because EU law limits the ways countries can regulate their coastal waters. As a result, the UK’s MPAs don’t properly protect the sea life inside them, which really defeats the point.
Luckily, there’s now a chance to fix this.
What needs to change? The government needs to properly protect our Marine Protected Areas, and that starts with banning supertrawlers from fishing in them.
If they do this, they’ll have plenty of support. 57 MPs (from all parties) have already signed an open letter calling for a ban, and over 200,000 people have joined the Greenpeace campaign. Meanwhile recent YouGov poll shows that four in five people, across the political spectrum, want supertrawlers banned from MPAs.
The government has done some good things on ocean protection internationally. And although Brexit puts our environment at risk in other ways, leaving the EU allows us to strengthen protections for our MPAs. This will leave the government no excuse for letting supertrawlers fish in protected waters. As the Brexit negotiations continue, let’s make sure they do the right thing.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 1, 2021 19:41:33 GMT
Sink the french trawlers job sorted
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 1, 2021 19:47:21 GMT
Sink the french trawlers job sorted Why the dislike of the French Did a French kid steal your yo yo at school
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 2, 2021 2:04:40 GMT
Sink the french trawlers job sorted Why the dislike of the French Did a French kid steal your yo yo at school Quite like the frogs
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 2, 2021 9:27:31 GMT
Here is an excellent article of fishing and Brexit from the Scotsman... Fishing industry needs Scotland to grasp opportunities not grievancesNot surprisingly, the industry is more nuanced than some critics like to present. This article explores some of those nuances and why the deal means different things to different people involved in fishing.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 3, 2021 10:19:21 GMT
I see boris on the marr show saying we will ban super trawlers hovering up the fish
Very encouraging
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 3, 2021 10:27:00 GMT
I see boris on the marr show saying we will ban super trawlers hovering up the fish Very encouraging It is, but will it happen? Not a chance once the EU threats come in and then he will roll over for more tummy tickling.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 3, 2021 10:29:24 GMT
I see boris on the marr show saying we will ban super trawlers hovering up the fish Very encouraging It is, but will it happen? Not a chance once the EU threats come in and then he will roll over for more tummy tickling. Unfortunately you may be right time will tell
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2021 10:33:02 GMT
I see boris on the marr show saying we will ban super trawlers hovering up the fish Very encouraging It is, but will it happen? Not a chance once the EU threats come in and then he will roll over for more tummy tickling. "EU threats" surely not they don't threaten other sovereign nations do they.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 3, 2021 10:42:55 GMT
It is, but will it happen? Not a chance once the EU threats come in and then he will roll over for more tummy tickling. Unfortunately you may be right time will tell It will indeed and I have commented previously on this being an acid test on just how free we are. When you consider Boris’ new found love for the environment as well you would think he would be determined to see this through, but I just think he will bottle it. We won’t have any fishing left by the time the EU boats have finished with our fishing grounds after destroying their own. It’s just really sad, but avoidable with strong leadership which we kind of know isn’t going to happen.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 5, 2021 16:55:57 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 6, 2021 11:32:13 GMT
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 6, 2021 17:07:35 GMT
With the introduction of EU quotas and the massive reduction in the UK fishing fleet many fisherman resorted to Scalloping to attempt to maintain third traditional living from the sea.
This mainly involved dredging the sea bed and the reckless destruction of all in its way .
As an example I recall being tied onto Lymington Town Quay some years ago and out of season. I got quite friendly with the crew of a nearby fishing boat who were about to leave to go Scalloping off the IOW.
They returned only 36hrs later due to bad weather and presented to me a SACKFULL of broken Crab pieces that they had bought up and inadvertently destroyed, and which they would normally just thrown over the side.
They were not wasted and quite delicious.😀⚓️
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 9:17:47 GMT
The government response to the petition against supertrawlers:
Now that the transition period has ended, we are reviewing our policy on access for supertrawlers. This review will be driven by evidence.
We are reviewing our policies for supertrawlers. Any action needs to be evidence-based and in line with the UK/EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement.
There is no agreed definition of what a supertrawler is. In the media it has come to be known as a vessel that is over 100m in length. ‘Supertrawlers’ generally target pelagic species of fish within the water column and are unlikely to damage the seabed habitats, such as reef and sediment habitats, for which most Marine Protected Areas (MPAs) are designated. Prohibiting these vessels will not protect MPAs from the fishing activities known to be damaging to some of them, such as bottom trawling.
The creation of MPAs is not generally an effective way to protect and conserve pelagic fish species which these vessels target. This is because these species are not stationary within the boundaries of the MPA where management measures would be applied. Management of stocks through the setting of quota limits has been shown to be a more effective conservation measure for pelagic fish species.
The UK is a global leader in the fight to protect our seas, with 38% of UK waters in Marine Protected Areas. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) has restricted our ability to implement fisheries management measures within offshore Marine Protected Areas (MPAs).
The UK is now an independent coastal state and is no longer bound by the CFP. Leaving the CFP gives us the opportunity to introduce sustainable, responsive and resilient new fisheries policies.
In October, the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) issued a call for evidence to inform the management decisions of five MPAs. The call for evidence closed on 15 December and the MMO are currently reviewing the responses. The evidence provided during this process will help shape and inform the MMO’s assessments and options ahead of formal consultation on site management measures early in 2021.
Now we have left the EU, the implementation of the Fisheries Act helps to protect our marine resources and develop plans to restore our fish stock back to more sustainable levels. The Act strengthens the MMO’s powers in a variety of areas, ensuring that they can restore and enhance, as well as conserve, the marine environment in the offshore zone, and to continue to support the delivery of the Government’s Blue Belt Programme. Any new measures to protect MPAs are likely to use the new byelaw powers in the Act.
The Fisheries Act prohibits any commercial fishing vessel (including foreign-registered vessels) from operating in UK waters without a licence. It also provides powers to attach conditions (such as the areas that can be fished, species that can be caught and the type of fishing gear that can be used) to fishing vessel licences.
Foreign vessels operating in UK waters will have to follow UK rules. Where vessels do not comply with these rules enforcement action can be taken against them. We will need to consider how any measures fit with our obligations under the Trade and Cooperation Agreement with the EU and avoid taking any action against individual vessels which could be construed as discriminatory.
The MMO continues to monitor fishing activity in English waters – with dedicated enforcement and surveillance work to protect fisheries, including offshore patrol vessels for at-sea surveillance.
The forthcoming consultations, new byelaw powers and the protections from licensing, mean that the UK’s MPA’s will have greater protection than before.
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2021 20:44:23 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 25, 2021 19:19:22 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 12, 2021 15:40:37 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 22, 2021 11:14:56 GMT
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 22, 2021 20:01:01 GMT
It would seem that we have adequate if not an abundance of high quality sea food.
This product has been lucratively sold to the EU fish eating nations for many years. In fact even though their own fleets were plundering our shores they could not get enough of the stuff that we were also producing. ! ?
Now suddenly due to some bloody jobsworth EU officials and I suspect vindictive vengeance we are struggling to get our produce to the markets who want them.
At the same time we in the UK are not great fish eaters compared to our European neighbours.
Here’s an idea. Why don’t the govt., in conjunction with the big consortiums of Super Mkts. and TV Chefs etc start to promote fish and seafood and we can sell it to ourselves? 🤔🐋🐠🐟
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Post by ravey123 on Feb 22, 2021 20:19:59 GMT
It would seem that we have adequate if not an abundance of high quality sea food. This product has been lucratively sold to the EU fish eating nations for many years. In fact even though their own fleets were plundering our shores they could not get enough of the stuff that we were also producing. ! ? Now suddenly due to some bloody jobsworth EU officials and I suspect vindictive vengeance we are struggling to get our produce to the markets who want them. At the same time we in the UK are not great fish eaters compared to our European neighbours. Here’s an idea. Why don’t the govt., in conjunction with the big consortiums of Super Mkts. and TV Chefs etc start to promote fish and seafood and we can sell it to ourselves? 🤔🐋🐠🐟 Spot on. We’ve made a conscious decision at home to eat more fish from UK Waters from independent sellers - trying not to get it from supermarkets but from the numerous white van Grimsby type vans. I must say I had forgotten how much variation there is, how tasty it is and how easy it is to cook. Some of it is really cheap too. I had a whole large mackerel last week it was really tasty and only about a quid. The added bonus is I’ve lost a bit of weight too and actually finish a meal feeling satisfied rather than stufffed - fish is the future - it is in our house anyway.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 22, 2021 21:58:00 GMT
It would seem that we have adequate if not an abundance of high quality sea food. This product has been lucratively sold to the EU fish eating nations for many years. In fact even though their own fleets were plundering our shores they could not get enough of the stuff that we were also producing. ! ? Now suddenly due to some bloody jobsworth EU officials and I suspect vindictive vengeance we are struggling to get our produce to the markets who want them. At the same time we in the UK are not great fish eaters compared to our European neighbours. Here’s an idea. Why don’t the govt., in conjunction with the big consortiums of Super Mkts. and TV Chefs etc start to promote fish and seafood and we can sell it to ourselves? 🤔🐋🐠🐟 Fishing is a massively complicated issue. The UK is a net importer of fish. We were a net exporter before joining the EU. Much of the UK's quota is fished by foreign fishermen, particularly the Dutch. Not a lot of young British people want to go into fishing. Many UK fishermen go to the North Atlantic for cod, where the French fish 80% or more cod in UK waters in the English Channel! There has been a large decline in fishing since 1990 largely due to over fishing. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02788/#:~:text=The%20total%20number%20of%20fishers,20%2C000%20in%20the%20mid%2D1990s.&text=The%20number%20of%20fishing%20vessels,200%2C000%20and%20300%2C000%20tonnes%20abroad.The Western world consume very little fish compared with the Eastern world. Norway fishes more than the whole of the rest of Europe. Things will not change a lot till the UK takes full control of British waters in 5 years time, then we can steadily rebuild the industry.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 22, 2021 22:42:42 GMT
It would seem that we have adequate if not an abundance of high quality sea food. This product has been lucratively sold to the EU fish eating nations for many years. In fact even though their own fleets were plundering our shores they could not get enough of the stuff that we were also producing. ! ? Now suddenly due to some bloody jobsworth EU officials and I suspect vindictive vengeance we are struggling to get our produce to the markets who want them. At the same time we in the UK are not great fish eaters compared to our European neighbours. Here’s an idea. Why don’t the govt., in conjunction with the big consortiums of Super Mkts. and TV Chefs etc start to promote fish and seafood and we can sell it to ourselves? 🤔🐋🐠🐟 A good idea, but it takes time to change consumer behaviour. That's not a reason not to do it now but a lot of these small companies don't have time. The government should've been doing what you say a year ago (or maybe two).
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 22, 2021 23:01:09 GMT
It would seem that we have adequate if not an abundance of high quality sea food. This product has been lucratively sold to the EU fish eating nations for many years. In fact even though their own fleets were plundering our shores they could not get enough of the stuff that we were also producing. ! ? Now suddenly due to some bloody jobsworth EU officials and I suspect vindictive vengeance we are struggling to get our produce to the markets who want them. At the same time we in the UK are not great fish eaters compared to our European neighbours. Here’s an idea. Why don’t the govt., in conjunction with the big consortiums of Super Mkts. and TV Chefs etc start to promote fish and seafood and we can sell it to ourselves? 🤔🐋🐠🐟 A good idea, but it takes time to change consumer behaviour. That's not a reason not to do it now but a lot of these small companies don't have time. The government should've been doing what you say a year ago (or maybe two). This was announced yesterday: www.gov.uk/government/news/increased-support-for-fishing-and-shellfish-businessesThe announcement includes: "The UK fishing and seafood sector is also set to benefit from significant government investment with a £100 million fund to help modernise fishing fleets,....."I'm not a Tory spokesman! Just passing what has been given little attention by the media.
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