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Post by raythesailor on Nov 27, 2020 18:14:23 GMT
This would now seem to be one of the main controversies in our exit negotiations.
The EU must surely be regarded as totally arrogant if they feel that they can just continue to fish our waters post departure.
I fully understand that it is actually a small percentage of their and our trades. But also understand that they have Fish processing industries which would be decimated if they lost our fishing grounds.
The solution, which could also oil the wheels of an agreement?
All EU vessels fishing in our waters pay a licence fee. £50/100K PA depending on size . Subject to OUR quotas. All catches to be landed in UK and exported to EU tariffs free.
Apologies for not including in Brexit thread but this is Fishing specific.
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Post by franklin on Nov 27, 2020 18:24:43 GMT
I won't pretend to understand the complexity of this issue my understanding is France fishes 80% of their catch in British waters similar in Holland. We get no benefit from these and in fact they probably sell us our own fish (for want of a better term) Maybe we could like you say licence boats and land, process and export it all as required. I'm not sure why there would be an expectation of free access to do as they please im pretty sure the French in particular would be barracading sinking and burning their way to a deal if it were their waters being talked about.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 27, 2020 19:03:01 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC.
Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure!
Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave...
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 19:16:39 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would the Cornish fishing industry go to the wall, deal or no deal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 19:19:22 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would it be ironic if the cornish fishing industry crashed? Also it sounds as though you'd take some delight in the fact that it did which is a sad state of affairs if true. Cornwalls main source of income is tourism not fishing by the way. Grimsby and hartlepool were once major fishing ports where as you like to put it have gone to the wall. Yet they also convincingly voted to leave. How ironic would it be if these forgotten fishing costal towns were revitalised?
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 27, 2020 19:32:32 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... You are clearly not aware that British high street shops have been in serious trouble for years and many well known chains have failed like Woolworths, Debenhams, Mothercare, etc. before the pandemic. Yes leisure, entertainment, catering, hospitality, etc. have suffered due to the pandemic, but high street retailing has been suffering from internet sales for years and this year's crisis is the final straw and simply hastening what would probably have happened anyway for many of those type of business. Arcadia have been in trouble for a long time: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48383020Can Sir Philip Green save his retail empire? BBC News Published 26 May 2019 As for the fisherman and the people of Cornwall you obviously don't care or at least care more about propping up inefficient European farmers with British tax payers money. The UK fishing industry was decimated by our joining the EEC over 40 years ago. But you seem quite prepared to accept that. UK negotiators have offered a very fair compromise on fishing and offered to phase it in over 3 years so Europeans can gradually get used to taking less fish from British waters. The reason Greenland left the EU was because of intransigence of the EU and theirs ridiculous demands. So it reasonable to assume the EU would do it again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_Greenland_from_the_European_Communities
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 27, 2020 19:40:27 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Yes it is worth dying in a ditch for As for Arcadia it’s fuck all to do with covid it’s down to the shyster founder taking far more in dividends then he should of
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 27, 2020 19:42:01 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would it be ironic if the cornish fishing industry crashed? Also it sounds as though you'd take some delight in the fact that it did which is a sad state of affairs if true. Cornwalls main source of income is tourism not fishing by the way. Grimsby and hartlepool were once major fishing ports where as you like to put it have gone to the wall. Yet they also convincingly voted to leave. How ironic would it be if these forgotten fishing costal towns were revitalised? And Lowestoft
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Post by felonious on Nov 27, 2020 20:47:10 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would it be ironic if the cornish fishing industry crashed? Also it sounds as though you'd take some delight in the fact that it did which is a sad state of affairs if true. Cornwalls main source of income is tourism not fishing by the way. Grimsby and hartlepool were once major fishing ports where as you like to put it have gone to the wall. Yet they also convincingly voted to leave. How ironic would it be if these forgotten fishing costal towns were revitalised? This can't be true every industry has thrived under the EU
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 27, 2020 20:59:19 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would the Cornish fishing industry go to the wall, deal or no deal? I posted this before in the Brexit thread
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 21:10:16 GMT
Why would the Cornish fishing industry go to the wall, deal or no deal? I posted this before in the Brexit thread We're an island surrounded by fish, I'm sure the fishing industry will survive.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2020 21:12:59 GMT
Keep reading the thread title as Brexit and Fisting! God I need a job quick!😉
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 27, 2020 21:23:34 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Yes it is worth dying in a ditch for As for Arcadia it’s fuck all to do with covid it’s down to the shyster founder taking far more in dividends then he should of Trench has a much more nautical feel to it. 'What a Mariana Trench to die in' 🌊 🐟
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 27, 2020 21:35:12 GMT
I posted this before in the Brexit thread We're an island surrounded by fish, I'm sure the fishing industry will survive. A bit like saying we're an island sitting on coal so the coal industry will surely prosper? It seems we're surrounded by fish the Brits don't want to eat, to the extent that 80% of our catch is sold into the EU. Whether that export market is still viable in future with the red tape that Brexit is cocooning the UK in remains to be seen.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 27, 2020 22:02:12 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... Why would it be ironic if the cornish fishing industry crashed? Also it sounds as though you'd take some delight in the fact that it did which is a sad state of affairs if true. Cornwalls main source of income is tourism not fishing by the way. Grimsby and hartlepool were once major fishing ports where as you like to put it have gone to the wall. Yet they also convincingly voted to leave. How ironic would it be if these forgotten fishing costal towns were revitalised? When all the planes drop out of the sky after Brexit, Cornwall will be positively booming with tourists on staycation buying fish and chips anyway.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 27, 2020 22:51:58 GMT
We're an island surrounded by fish, I'm sure the fishing industry will survive. A bit like saying we're an island sitting on coal so the coal industry will surely prosper? It seems we're surrounded by fish the Brits don't want to eat, to the extent that 80% of our catch is sold into the EU. Whether that export market is still viable in future with the red tape that Brexit is cocooning the UK in remains to be seen. The EU want the fish and the UK want to sell the fish, I'm sure despite the posturing some sort of beneficial trade arrangement will be reached
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 28, 2020 8:54:38 GMT
The CFP has already decimated our coastal fishing ports decade's ago . The fleets in places like Hull grimsby and lowestoft saw most of their trawlers scrapped and those towns went into steep decline. Its about trying to restore prosperity to these places .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 28, 2020 9:30:04 GMT
The CFP has already decimated our coastal fishing ports decade's ago . The fleets in places like Hull grimsby and lowestoft saw most of their trawlers scrapped and those towns went into steep decline. Its about trying to restore prosperity to these places . Which won't be achieved by leaving the EU, making it harder to sell those fish (80% of which goes to Europe!) and imposing additional red tape (happening deal or no deal). I think the Cornish might be about to find out what their strong vote Leave result is about to deliver, and it's unlikely to be good. The farmers are probably going to be next. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fudge the govt comes up with to allow just as many foreign farm labouring migrants in, and what they do when the subsidies start to dwindle in a few months time. Still, it's what they wanted.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 28, 2020 11:42:41 GMT
Why would it be ironic if the cornish fishing industry crashed? Also it sounds as though you'd take some delight in the fact that it did which is a sad state of affairs if true. Cornwalls main source of income is tourism not fishing by the way. Grimsby and hartlepool were once major fishing ports where as you like to put it have gone to the wall. Yet they also convincingly voted to leave. How ironic would it be if these forgotten fishing costal towns were revitalised? And Lowestoft Scotland too. Think most of the fishing regions of Scotland voted leave because of the threat to their livelihoods.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 28, 2020 12:01:28 GMT
Scotland too. Think most of the fishing regions of Scotland voted leave because of the threat to their livelihoods. The North East of Scotland did indeed vote Tory 11 months ago, as well as the entire Southern belt (Borders).
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 28, 2020 13:09:25 GMT
The CFP has already decimated our coastal fishing ports decade's ago . The fleets in places like Hull grimsby and lowestoft saw most of their trawlers scrapped and those towns went into steep decline. Its about trying to restore prosperity to these places . Which won't be achieved by leaving the EU, making it harder to sell those fish (80% of which goes to Europe!) and imposing additional red tape (happening deal or no deal). I think the Cornish might be about to find out what their strong vote Leave result is about to deliver, and it's unlikely to be good. The farmers are probably going to be next. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fudge the govt comes up with to allow just as many foreign farm labouring migrants in, and what they do when the subsidies start to dwindle in a few months time. Still, it's what they wanted. There’s nothing so blind as them that don’t want to see Farming subsidies the Eu being kind enough to give us some of are money back There is no reason why farmers should lose a penny But the opportunity to link it to environmental and access could benefit everyone Every penny the Eu has spent in this country is merely giving us are money back minus of course the EU’s cut The whole protectionists racket was brought about to stop the French shitting themselves every time the Germans yawned
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 13:09:58 GMT
A sea apart: UK dismisses EU fishing offer as ‘derisory’ link
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 28, 2020 18:15:02 GMT
Which won't be achieved by leaving the EU, making it harder to sell those fish (80% of which goes to Europe!) and imposing additional red tape (happening deal or no deal). I think the Cornish might be about to find out what their strong vote Leave result is about to deliver, and it's unlikely to be good. The farmers are probably going to be next. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fudge the govt comes up with to allow just as many foreign farm labouring migrants in, and what they do when the subsidies start to dwindle in a few months time. Still, it's what they wanted. There’s nothing so blind as them that don’t want to see Farming subsidies the Eu being kind enough to give us some of are money back There is no reason why farmers should lose a penny But the opportunity to link it to environmental and access could benefit everyone Every penny the Eu has spent in this country is merely giving us are money back minus of course the EU’s cut The whole protectionists racket was brought about to stop the French shitting themselves every time the Germans yawned We'll see how far that "£350m" stretches when it has to cover the farming subsidies, giving it to the NHS and all the other EU funded schemes and projects. Still, never mind, sovereignty, eh!
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Post by thevoid on Nov 28, 2020 18:24:11 GMT
One wonders how we got on funding all of these things pre-1973.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 29, 2020 9:12:47 GMT
Through taxation, or we didn't fund them properly, presumably.
Which is likely to be the same once we've left. Unless that magic £350m (£180m in reality) manages to stretch an awfully long way!
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 1, 2020 20:01:49 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 1, 2020 20:11:49 GMT
Well the owner of Lowestoft fish market is quite happy we left So happy she stood and won as a brexit Mep
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 3, 2020 14:39:37 GMT
0.02% of the economy, 12,000 people employed according to the BBC. Yet this is worth dying in a ditch for apparently! Daft. 13,000 folk about to lose their jobs in Arcadia as a result of Covid, but merits just a shrug and no government interest, go figure! Be ironic if the fishing industry in Cornwall goes to the wall, after Cornwall voted so convincingly to leave... It seems from the news reports that the EU want to ALLOW the UK to take between 15% and 18% of the fishing quota from K waters with the other 82% to 85% going to EU countries. Would Spain agree to only 15% to 18% of the quotas in their seas to be landed by Spanish boats, likewise the French, Greeks, Italians etc. This is bonkers - yes we are blessed as an island nation to have some of the world's best fishing areas, but other countries are blessed with other natural benefits and I don't see anyone proclaiming a "right" to them - eg Greece and Hungary have big reserves of Bauxite but do other nations in Europe have a right to them free of charge - no chance, Spain, Portugal and Ireland have large reserves of Zinc but do other nations in the EU have a right to them free of charge - not on your nellie. What we do as trading nations is trade on our natural resources - ie we sell them to buyers and we buy other materials from other countries blessed with other natural resources - eg just as we buy wine from france, bauxite from Greece and Hungary (presumably) and Zinc from Spain, Portugal and Ireland (presumably), then Europe buys fish from the UK - either directly from UK fishing companies or indirectly by paying a "license" fee to fish in our waters.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 1, 2021 16:47:07 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 1, 2021 17:42:40 GMT
Also Kate Hoey seems to think that we can ban the super fishing trawlers. If so I think that we have a responsibility to do so for environmental reasons and sustainability.......surely the EU would agree ...because it represents a " higher environmental standard"...and would require Holland to conform, in light of the level playing field criteria.....surely the other 26 member states would support it, being an environmental advance....simply....it's the right thing to do. / Not Brexit related but we need to look after the Oceans, it would be regrettable if in 20 tears time we are saying" We should have done that" /
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