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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 18, 2021 18:31:10 GMT
You'd imagine Celtic and Rangers are praying for it to happen, ka'ching £££ 🤑
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 18, 2021 18:32:45 GMT
I can’t imagine it will work anyway. Who’s going to watch it? 12 clubs playing each other every year. It will be dull surely watching the same teams without any underdogs or history?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 18, 2021 18:35:27 GMT
We're definitely sure that Kerry Packer died in 2005 aren't we?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 18, 2021 18:37:57 GMT
This is what happens when you let American owners into the biggest clubs in England. They have ZERO knowledge of the game and it's history with one goal, to make money. They find the concept of relegation absolutely baffling hence why they've always wanted rid of it and make the Premier League/Europe a lock in. Also, the cheek of Arsenal and Spurs? Leicester have won a Premier League title more recently than Arsenal and Spurs haven't won a damn trophy in God knows how long. No wonder they're jumping at the chance of this. Apparently Man City haven't agreed with it so fair play to them, if that turns out to be correct. and it shows in the NFL, MLB and NBA when clubs with big history move town at the drop of a hat. They have little care for history. Just from the top of my head in the NFL San Diego Chargers move to LA St. louis Cardinals move to Arizona LA Raiders move to Oakland then back to LA Baltimore Colts move to Indianapolis Cleveland Browns move to Baltimore LA Rams move to St. louis then back to LA Houston Oilers move to Tennessee all within the last 30-40 years Believe me the owners don’t care about the fans.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 18, 2021 18:39:05 GMT
I really hope that they do go- but the FA, EPL and EFL have to state clearly that any re-entry to the English system has to be at National League level or lower. National FA’s also need to state ( as in Rugby Union) that you have to be playing in either your national league or an affiliated league to be available for international selection; that way you are not restricting employment rights.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 18, 2021 18:42:41 GMT
If you don't like the plans for a European Super League, just know this is capitalism in action. The rich are stealing a sport that once belonged to the poor, just like they stole our public services & everything else.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Apr 18, 2021 18:48:01 GMT
Surely all the broadcasters would get together and agree not to buy the rights. They'd soon come running back.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 18, 2021 18:50:45 GMT
Things are so slanted in favor of the Big 6 and the PL now I say let em go. On field, the biased officials act as if England is under immediate threat if the calls don't go the way of the Big 6. Off field - these clubs don't even have to screw with FFP! So how is any club supposed to go up to that league and in 1 year suddenly become competitive with teams that are built with exorbitant sums of money over several years? Statistically, they don't. (With the exception of the once in 200 year miracle that was Leicester)
A professional league that allows one team to pay one or two players more than the opposing team's ENTIRE payroll...
So now you've spent the money, issued long-term contracts etc. but have 1 bad year and fall back into the Championship. Very quickly, you are in trouble with FFP. This is one thing putting off longer-term quality investors who otherwise would actually CARE about these clubs. What you get are fly by night megalomaniacs, clowns and professional gamblers who can barely pass this totally inadequate "fitness to own" test. (Which fails to address post-purchase behavior in any way)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying get rid of relegation - it keeps things interesting. Just do SOMETHING to reduce this chasm of spending (And higher risk for lower league teams) between leagues.
Let them have their "stupor-league." Arsenal stinks the place up anyway. I'd have one rule: You guys can go, but no slinking back later with crocodile tears apologizing. You just bought yourself a permanent ban from English football. Verdict Rendered! Off with their heads!
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Post by Linx on Apr 18, 2021 18:53:48 GMT
Surely all the broadcasters would get together and agree not to buy the rights. They'd soon come running back. I suspect that the paying TV public would soon get bored of it and the money and sponsorship would dry up. I mean, how many people who are not directly invested in clubs in the Champions League actually give up an evening to watch their games now? It would be worse with the same few teams in some kind of groundhog competition.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 18, 2021 18:55:01 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Apr 18, 2021 18:58:35 GMT
Fucking disgrace the cunts Say no more
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 18, 2021 19:00:20 GMT
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Post by datguy on Apr 18, 2021 19:01:07 GMT
Brilliant from Gary Neville as usual.
Edit: beaten to it.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 18, 2021 19:04:16 GMT
I really hope that they do go- but the FA, EPL and EFL have to state clearly that any re-entry to the English system has to be at National League level or lower. National FA’s also need to state ( as in Rugby Union) that you have to be playing in either your national league or an affiliated league to be available for international selection; that way you are not restricting employment rights. It's the best way to get the fuckers, it happened in cricket with South Africa too. The FA and UEFA just need to say you have to play in an affiliated league for x years to play in a FA international or UEFA competition.
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Post by s7oke on Apr 18, 2021 19:05:36 GMT
Bravo gary well put Gotta feel sorry for the fans
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 18, 2021 19:05:41 GMT
Clearly not a Super League when the likes of Arsenal and Spurs are included and PSG and Bayern Munich aren't. Full credit to PSG and Bayern for maintaining their integrity, hope that continues.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 18, 2021 19:07:14 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Apr 18, 2021 19:12:16 GMT
Fans of these clubs need to show their colours. I expect the tourists will still turn up at games but the hardcore should be outside the gates of their clubs tonight demanding them to withdraw. I hope the EFL and PL are busy demanding that the TV rights money for the current contract is taken away from them all.
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 18, 2021 19:14:04 GMT
Will we be in it? Europa League 2001 after all.
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 18, 2021 19:14:24 GMT
2011 even.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 18, 2021 19:39:50 GMT
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Post by cerebralstokie on Apr 18, 2021 19:41:29 GMT
Pure greed on behalf of wealthy owners and about as far removed from the grass roots of the game as can be imagined. It is a model of what is happening in Society at large. As has been pointed out, many viewers of televised football would quickly tire of watching the same games over and over again. "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" Having said that I am not surprised at all that this development has been mooted for some time. It is, I suppose, a sign of the times.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2021 19:45:11 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 18, 2021 19:48:39 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 18, 2021 19:52:40 GMT
Neville should be running the game in this country. We need someone with principles and a sense of what football is to communities, as part of our cultural heritage. Football in this country needs to be reclaimed from these pirates who have raided it.
Former Manchester United captain Gary Neville said he is "absolutely disgusted" by the plans.
"I'm a Manchester United fan and have been for 40 years," Neville, who also co-owns League Two club Salford City, told Sky Sports. "It's an absolute disgrace.
"Honestly, we have to wrestle back the power in this country from the clubs at the top of this league and that includes my club."
The former England defender said the six English clubs involved should be docked points and fined.
"It's pure greed," Neville said. "They're [the club's owners] imposters.
"They're nothing to do with football in this country. There's 100-odd years of history in this country of fans who have lived and loved these clubs.
"We're in the middle of a pandemic and an economic crisis. Football clubs in the (semi-professional) National League are going bust, furloughing players and these lot are having Zoom calls about breaking away.
"Dock them all points tomorrow. Put them at the bottom of the league and take the money off them. Seriously. You have to stamp on this."
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 18, 2021 19:53:47 GMT
Surely all the broadcasters would get together and agree not to buy the rights. They'd soon come running back. I suspect that the paying TV public would soon get bored of it and the money and sponsorship would dry up. I mean, how many people who are not directly invested in clubs in the Champions League actually give up an evening to watch their games now? It would be worse with the same few teams in some kind of groundhog competition. The Champions League is over hyped guff. I've not intentionally sat down to watch any CL game. They aren't a patch on the old competition format and those memorable nights and achievements with Forest and even Liverpool can't be matched in my view. Just let them go with an absolute guarantee there can never, ever be any return when it goes tits up as it inevitably will.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 18, 2021 19:56:17 GMT
Here’s my cynical take - this has all been made public today so the Champions League reforms (which themselves are ridiculous) look milder when they get waved through tomorrow. I can understand why you think that's a credible theory, Telford, but as far as we can see that's not what has happened. UEFA and the Premier league got wind that the 12 are due to announce it at 9.30 tonight, and acted remarkably quickly to get it first with a very strong negative reaction, and the FA signed up to it as well. I'm in shocked admiration at both the speed and the strength of their reaction ( apparently they even convened an emergency PL Board meeting today ). In the light of the strength of the reaction - apparently even President Macron has vowed to fight it ! - it wouldn't entirely surprise me if the 12 clubs chickened out and pulled it tonight - but we'll know shortly ! UEFA made big concessions in their own plans to try to keep the big clubs on board, and are now furious. Given that didn't work whether they will now press on with announcing their own reforms as planned tomorrow also remains to be seen. The politics of this seem to be changing almost by the hour.
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Post by Cns on Apr 18, 2021 19:58:16 GMT
Would the Premier league/fa have the powers to remove them from the english league?
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 18, 2021 19:59:32 GMT
Pure greed on behalf of wealthy owners and about as far removed from the grass roots of the game as can be imagined. It is a model of what is happening in Society at large. As has been pointed out, many viewers of televised football would quickly tire of watching the same games over and over again. "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" Having said that I am not surprised at all that this development has been mooted for some time. It is, I suppose, a sign of the times. It's very much consistent with the way society is heading. This pandemic has been a perfect opportunity for a power grab by those with the means to grab, with very little resistance. It's happening in virtually every other strand of society.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 18, 2021 19:59:56 GMT
I suspect most football fans are in two minds about this.
On one hand, it's typically greedy, self-serving and money-grabbing stuff from clubs who are already guaranteed most of the riches in the game and you can understand the disgust.
On the other, like me, I reckon millions will be perfectly happy to see them fuck off into their own tedious closed shop that the rest of us can ignore.
The Prem, or whatever it ended up being called, (First Division has a nice ring to it), might become a bit more like the Championship, more egalitarian, where any team can beat any other team on their day by being just that bit better, like football used to be.
All of this obviously depends on tv money first and foremost. Any football fan who wants it to fail should simply cancel their Sky/BT subscription.
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