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Post by xchpotter on Dec 1, 2020 18:30:02 GMT
Hope I’m wrong, but “foreseeable future” has the hallmarks of a Stoke information void on an injury and it will be months rather than weeks with little update on what the actual issue is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 18:42:06 GMT
It's got to be Campbell and Brown as a front 2 - problem is this also moves Campbell out of his best position Chester (because there's noone else), What is Campbell's best position? It's hardly the wide midfield. He's been playing there a few short weeks, but he was born as a striker and it's where he will spend the most of his career. As for Chester there's plenty of other options: Lindsay, who tends to make mistakes but not as many as Chester; Forrester and Macari, who are both playing well in the academy, but are obviously untried, but have to be tried at some point, and a fella named Ryan, who is fit, but if O'Neill's usual building up slow program is anything to go by will sit it out for most of the game, before being allowed to smell a little grass come the end. Apparently it works. And then there's big Kev, who is registered with us.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 1, 2020 18:56:28 GMT
Better start looking for an additional striking option in January then!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 1, 2020 19:24:38 GMT
Big blow this is.
Feeling less optimistic about our run up to Christmas now.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 1, 2020 19:31:37 GMT
Gutted we will miss him. We are not the same side with Vokes up front.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 1, 2020 19:36:32 GMT
what's our GF with Fletcher on vs Vokes? Gotta be something like 18-3
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 1, 2020 19:39:20 GMT
If we must play Vokes (and personally I think he’s utterly dreadful) then he needs two things to be even mildly useful, namely crosses coming in from wide areas and support from the wide players and Powell.
Leave him isolated up front chasing lost causes and we may as well play with 10.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 1, 2020 23:30:22 GMT
He seems to have even lost his ability to head the ball half decently now, I would even say Powell wins way more in the air than Vokes, unless he starts tomorrow it would be a massive vote of no confidence in him moving forward. I would play Brown centrally rather than him, way better in the air and more mobile.
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Post by skip on Dec 1, 2020 23:36:55 GMT
Nipper 2 does a great impression of a foghorn when Vokes tries to do anything other than stand still. Don't know where he gets it from.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 0:22:20 GMT
Wounder, our best player along with Campbell.
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Post by meirman61 on Dec 2, 2020 14:06:58 GMT
I like him he’s a very good all round striker. No real weaknesses. Good in the air, good touch and a decent finisher. A definate upgrade. Him and Campbell will be a great partnership the more they play. Only weakness his knees this isn't the first time
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 2, 2020 14:45:29 GMT
I like him he’s a very good all round striker. No real weaknesses. Good in the air, good touch and a decent finisher. A definate upgrade. Him and Campbell will be a great partnership the more they play. Only weakness his knees this isn't the first time Pretty sure smashing them into a board doesn't feel too good for anyone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 15:10:18 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now.
Vokes isn't good enough to be starting.
Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Dec 2, 2020 15:15:29 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. I'd rather start with Powell up top than Vokes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 15:19:13 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. I'd rather start with Powell up top than Vokes Me too and by some distance. It's actually a decent option imo. I'd do it ahead of starting Gregory to be honest.
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Post by walrus on Dec 2, 2020 15:20:10 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. Powell is at his best playing behind, but close to a central striker. Playing him off Campbell with McClean on the left and Brown on the right seems a good option right now. Verlinden to sub in for Brown potentially.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2020 15:21:31 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. Powell is at his best playing behind, but close to a central striker. Playing him off Campbell with McClean on the left and Brown on the right seems a good option right now. Verlinden to sub in for Brown potentially. Oh I agree but if it's a case of him or Vokes/Gregory then imo he wins.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 2, 2020 15:22:33 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. Powell is at his best playing behind, but close to a central striker. Playing him off Campbell with McClean on the left and Brown on the right seems a good option right now. Verlinden to sub in for Brown potentially. Is Verlinden up to speed now? Just thinking it might be a risk to rush him back
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Post by walrus on Dec 2, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
Powell is at his best playing behind, but close to a central striker. Playing him off Campbell with McClean on the left and Brown on the right seems a good option right now. Verlinden to sub in for Brown potentially. Is Verlinden up to speed now? Just thinking it might be a risk to rush him back I meant sub in as in come on from the bench. If he’s fit enough to be in the squad - which he is after several U23s games - he’s fit enough to play half an hour.
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Post by walrus on Dec 2, 2020 15:26:55 GMT
4-4-1-1 is in my opinion our best option tonight in the absence of Fletcher and Gregory:
Bursik Smith Collins Batth Fox Brown Cousins Clucas McClean Powell Campbell
I expect Chester to play with Collins at RB ahead of Smith though.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Dec 2, 2020 17:08:59 GMT
Big chance for Brown to come in and do something. AWOL last game he started.
Love what Campbell offers but not sure he holds the ball up that well. I'd want Powell closer to him to help out with that job
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Post by march4 on Dec 2, 2020 17:30:40 GMT
I think I would chance Maclean further forward. Brown should be no where near the team and Vokes is sub at best.
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 2, 2020 17:49:32 GMT
We have to use Campbell up front from now. Vokes isn't good enough to be starting. Failing that, use Powell, I could live with that actually. Change it to Vokes Isn’t good enough to be anywhere near a first team at this level
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Post by lordb on Dec 2, 2020 17:55:29 GMT
It's got to be Campbell and Brown as a front 2 - problem is this also moves Campbell out of his best position Chester (because there's noone else), What is Campbell's best position? It's hardly the wide midfield. He's been playing there a few short weeks, but he was born as a striker and it's where he will spend the most of his career. As for Chester there's plenty of other options: Lindsay, who tends to make mistakes but not as many as Chester; Forrester and Macari, who are both playing well in the academy, but are obviously untried, but have to be tried at some point, and a fella named Ryan, who is fit, but if O'Neill's usual building up slow program is anything to go by will sit it out for most of the game, before being allowed to smell a little grass come the end. Apparently it works. And then there's big Kev, who is registered with us. He's played Campbell wide since December last year
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 18:21:04 GMT
What is Campbell's best position? It's hardly the wide midfield. He's been playing there a few short weeks, but he was born as a striker and it's where he will spend the most of his career. As for Chester there's plenty of other options: Lindsay, who tends to make mistakes but not as many as Chester; Forrester and Macari, who are both playing well in the academy, but are obviously untried, but have to be tried at some point, and a fella named Ryan, who is fit, but if O'Neill's usual building up slow program is anything to go by will sit it out for most of the game, before being allowed to smell a little grass come the end. Apparently it works. And then there's big Kev, who is registered with us. He's played Campbell wide since December last year But is it his best position? He's done well but in the long run his pace should make your typical English central defenders uncomfortable and he will score more goals that way. I hope he gets the chance to test Wycombe tonight.
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Post by lordb on Dec 2, 2020 18:42:29 GMT
He's played Campbell wide since December last year But is it his best position? He's done well but in the long run his pace should make your typical English central defenders uncomfortable and he will score more goals that way. I hope he gets the chance to test Wycombe tonight. Hmm I think he's good in all three positions, certainly hasn't hampered his goal scoring , got a fair few assists too. Given Fletcher out then would play him down the middle with MacLean and Brown with Verlinden off the bench tonight
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 2, 2020 18:50:29 GMT
He's played Campbell wide since December last year But is it his best position? He's done well but in the long run his pace should make your typical English central defenders uncomfortable and he will score more goals that way. I hope he gets the chance to test Wycombe tonight. Disagree. Playing as a centre forward nowadays involves spending large parts of the game back to goal holding up the ball and bringing others into the game. Campbell hasn’t shown that he has the strength or physicality to do that just yet, hence the reason why he’s played as a “wide attacker” which allows him to use his pace and get into more goal scoring situations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:05:07 GMT
But is it his best position? He's done well but in the long run his pace should make your typical English central defenders uncomfortable and he will score more goals that way. I hope he gets the chance to test Wycombe tonight. Disagree. Playing as a centre forward nowadays involves spending large parts of the game back to goal holding up the ball and bringing others into the game. Campbell hasn’t shown that he has the strength or physicality to do that just yet, hence the reason why he’s played as a “wide attacker” which allows him to use his pace and get into more goal scoring situations. My problem with Ty as a wide player = the way we play = midfielder is that he needs to do a lot of defensive work, tracking an overlapping fullback, helping out if our fullback is weak, which is often the case, whereas as a central striker alongside Brown he would be able to benefit if we continue to play long balls out of defence, provided of course that those balls are kicked in his precise direction. Brown is quick too, so they could play off each other, But now that we've picked Vokes to disrupt our own forward play, they'll have to do with scraps.
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