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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2020 8:19:40 GMT
He played 34 times in League 1 last season, apparently very well and was young player of the month in February. His recent performances have shown he is ready to step up to the next level and the manager should now play him regularly and we should accept that he will make the occasional mistake, but no more than anyone else. He is not a young Shawcross, but we will not get a player that good at this moment in time. Collins is a young Shawcross. Both him and Souttar should be played in a back 3 if we stick with the useless thing.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 27, 2020 9:27:30 GMT
He played 34 times in League 1 last season, apparently very well and was young player of the month in February. His recent performances have shown he is ready to step up to the next level and the manager should now play him regularly and we should accept that he will make the occasional mistake, but no more than anyone else. He is not a young Shawcross, but we will not get a player that good at this moment in time. Collins is a young Shawcross. Both him and Souttar should be played in a back 3 if we stick with the useless thing. I wouldn't disagree with that. I think Collins is technically better, faster, and has more potential, but I still think he can be a bit rash and error prone. I would like to think we could have a young team in a few months time with the odd older head, but the manager has to be careful not to damage young players confidence and set them back, which clearly happened with Tymon. Not that there is anything wrong with Collins confidence if anything it might be he is too confident in his ability.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 27, 2020 9:31:07 GMT
The idea of going back to watching Danny Batth playing is depressing. Great to se the promise of Collons and Soutar, but more than a bit harsh on Baath. He's never been the one to blame in any match he plays in. He's not a world beater, but he's a committed and honest pro who gives 100%. He's like Bluto was, ever reliable, but doesn't have a Denis Smith to play alongside.he always puts a shift in, and we've had plenty worse than Baath.I certainly won't be depressed watching Baath. “Ever reliable” really? Come on, improved towards the end of last season but ever reliable. No
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2020 9:41:49 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 27, 2020 9:56:10 GMT
Great to se the promise of Collons and Soutar, but more than a bit harsh on Baath. He's never been the one to blame in any match he plays in. He's not a world beater, but he's a committed and honest pro who gives 100%. He's like Bluto was, ever reliable, but doesn't have a Denis Smith to play alongside.he always puts a shift in, and we've had plenty worse than Baath.I certainly won't be depressed watching Baath. “Ever reliable” really? Come on, improved towards the end of last season but ever reliable. No I would argue that Batth was dropped yesterday as much for his poor performance last week as for the promise of Souttar. To compare him to Alan Bloor who was the calm head in that Stoke defence is stretching it. Batth is OK when there are crosses coming in but not a lot of movement. Once under pressure he completely loses it, his head becomes square, he can't time challenges (witness the second goal last week) and he just hoofs the ball as hard as he can with little regard for direction. He is the main reason our midfield are anonymous in some matches.
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Post by Gods on Sept 27, 2020 10:00:58 GMT
Nice interview, seems like a real level headed individual, confident but willing to learn, I think he will go places, I like his metamorphosis from gawky school boy to real man in 2 short years!
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 27, 2020 10:14:40 GMT
Yes, a good centre half in the making. IMHO was MOM yesterday. Davies did well to save the points but on general play Souttar contributed most. Just need to get Collins alongside in a four or a three ASAP.
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 27, 2020 13:28:28 GMT
Good interview that...speaks very well and seems like a very level headed lad...got high Hope's for both him and Collins.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 27, 2020 13:49:43 GMT
“Ever reliable” really? Come on, improved towards the end of last season but ever reliable. No I would argue that Batth was dropped yesterday as much for his poor performance last week as for the promise of Souttar. To compare him to Alan Bloor who was the calm head in that Stoke defence is stretching it. Batth is OK when there are crosses coming in but not a lot of movement. Once under pressure he completely loses it, his head becomes square, he can't time challenges (witness the second goal last week) and he just hoofs the ball as hard as he can with little regard for direction. He is the main reason our midfield are anonymous in some matches. I think Batth was dropped because he's less mobile and just can't turn as fast. He's better than Chester but has the same weakness as Souttar, so that left Chester on the pitch.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 27, 2020 14:29:09 GMT
I would argue that Batth was dropped yesterday as much for his poor performance last week as for the promise of Souttar. To compare him to Alan Bloor who was the calm head in that Stoke defence is stretching it. Batth is OK when there are crosses coming in but not a lot of movement. Once under pressure he completely loses it, his head becomes square, he can't time challenges (witness the second goal last week) and he just hoofs the ball as hard as he can with little regard for direction. He is the main reason our midfield are anonymous in some matches. I think Batth was dropped because he's less mobile and just can't turn as fast. He's better than Chester but has the same weakness as Souttar, so that left Chester on the pitch. He panics. Souttar even on his league debut yesterday was much calmer and played or passed his way out of trouble rather than just getting rid as quickly as possible. And Stockley was a much more difficult opponent than Martin was last week. Chester's distribution is better than Batth who has a terrible habit of just heading or kicking straight back instead of trying to find a teammate.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2020 10:24:46 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 28, 2020 10:29:00 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2020 10:31:56 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2020 10:32:49 GMT
Just a pity they don’t do forum loans🙄
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 10:43:43 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 28, 2020 11:03:54 GMT
I think out of Chesters and Baath, Baath is better but looks like a fight out between him and Souttar for that place.
Competition is a welcome thing though.
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Post by datguy on Sept 28, 2020 11:07:14 GMT
Is it fair to say he's our best CB?
Because he's bloody looked it in the games I've watched.
Goes to show what small investments at youth level can do for the first team.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 14, 2020 17:16:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 17:45:23 GMT
He played 34 times in League 1 last season, apparently very well and was young player of the month in February. His recent performances have shown he is ready to step up to the next level and the manager should now play him regularly and we should accept that he will make the occasional mistake, but no more than anyone else. He is not a young Shawcross, but we will not get a player that good at this moment in time. Collins is a young Shawcross. Both him and Souttar should be played in a back 3 if we stick with the useless thing. If only Shawcross could keep himself fit and get some sort of form back. A three of Souttar, Collins and Shawcross would be very resolute you’d have to assume.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 17:53:23 GMT
I think out of Chesters and Baath, Baath is better but looks like a fight out between him and Souttar for that place. Competition is a welcome thing though. My biggest problem with Batth is that he doesn’t talk, or at least, I’ve grown the impression that he doesn’t talk. He reminds me of Wayne Thomas. Not because of a style of play etc, but because neither communicated well and both seemed to do much better next to someone who told them what to do. Physically capable, mentally inferior defenders who just don’t read the game as well as they should. For that reason, I don’t think he’s best suited to mentoring young talent. Chester’s body may be going/gone, but he does communicate on the pitch at least.
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Post by daz2631 on Oct 14, 2020 22:26:52 GMT
What does everybody think of this for an idea send Edwards to Fleetwood for a season to work with joey barton? It's worked wonders for souttar plus joey won't take any shit
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 14, 2020 23:14:19 GMT
What does everybody think of this for an idea send Edwards to Fleetwood for a season to work with joey barton? It's worked wonders for souttar plus joey won't take any shit It would be ideal for him
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Oct 14, 2020 23:18:32 GMT
Whelan is there, would Edwards be able to handle Whelans high standards as well as Barton,?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 15, 2020 7:24:28 GMT
Whelan is there, would Edwards be able to handle Whelans high standards as well as Barton,? Sink or swim - he'd have to handle it or say goodbye to a career with us! The proposal to send him to Fleetwood is excellent - providing Fleetwood don't already have a surfeit of decent right backs/right wing backs. Souttar has come back from his time at Fleetwood a much improved player. He was always good on the ball and always a good header because of his size. but he now seems to have learned to cope with the downsides of being the tallest player on the pitch with better positional play and (as a recent interview suggested) a better understanding of some of the dark arts of being a defender. If Edwards can't learn similar lessons then he doesn't deserve to be a Championship player let alone a Premier League star.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 31, 2020 15:36:56 GMT
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 31, 2020 15:44:03 GMT
One of the unexpected pleasures of this season has been the emergence of Souttar, Collins and Bursik.
Along with Campbell they are our new crown jewels.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 31, 2020 15:52:22 GMT
Huge relief on the Nick Powell situation. Still needs extending though
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Post by nonameface on Dec 31, 2020 20:22:21 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2021 9:08:22 GMT
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Post by southstanddan on Jan 1, 2021 9:30:43 GMT
Love this guy, can’t remember when I didn’t have to cringe when the ball approached one of our defenders until Souttar started playing regularly. He’s going to get better year on year and I hope we keep hold of him in that time
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