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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 23, 2020 15:38:24 GMT
Doesn't seem a very fair system sporting wise. Do you think a socially-distanced 2000, freezing their balls off in mid-winter, in a 30,000-seater will make any impact though? There's no atmosphere at the best of times. It'll be interesting to see how many clubs fall within each tier.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 23, 2020 15:41:03 GMT
Doesn't seem a very fair system sporting wise. Do you think a socially-distanced 2000, freezing their balls off in mid-winter, in a 30,000-seater will make any impact though? There's no atmosphere at the best of times. It'll be interesting to see how many clubs fall within each tier. Probably benefits the away team in all honesty, the players will be able to hear every individual fan abusing them
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Post by flea79 on Nov 23, 2020 15:49:08 GMT
all of us or nothing is what i would like, i could tolerate a third but just 4000 in a ground, suck my balls that is shit
i just hope that its sorted by june, i have tickets to watch england at wembley, all my hopes are on this game now!
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 23, 2020 15:49:49 GMT
Johnson says they hope to announce which areas are in which tier on Thursday - but most will be in a higher tier than they were pre-lockdown
Can't see many being in Tier 1 initially?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 23, 2020 15:51:35 GMT
Do you think a socially-distanced 2000, freezing their balls off in mid-winter, in a 30,000-seater will make any impact though? There's no atmosphere at the best of times. It'll be interesting to see how many clubs fall within each tier. Probably benefits the away team in all honesty, the players will be able to hear every individual fan abusing them I imagine Danny Batth can hear Bayern from his living room!😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 15:58:41 GMT
Johnson says they hope to announce which areas are in which tier on Thursday - but most will be in a higher tier than they were pre-lockdown Can't see many being in Tier 1 initially? London set for Tier 2. Liverpool cases have plummeted by using a testing method that is actually Tier 2, so they could squeeze Tier 2 too. Not checked anywhere else, most of the north I would imagine Tier 3.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 23, 2020 15:59:03 GMT
Probably benefits the away team in all honesty, the players will be able to hear every individual fan abusing them I imagine Danny Batth can hear Bayern from his living room!😉
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 23, 2020 16:01:08 GMT
Johnson says they hope to announce which areas are in which tier on Thursday - but most will be in a higher tier than they were pre-lockdown Can't see many being in Tier 1 initially? London set for Tier 2. Liverpool cases have plummeted by using a testing method that is actually Tier 2, so they could squeeze Tier 2 too. Not checked anywhere else, most of the north I would imagine Tier 3. Some of the areas that went into early Tier 3 lockdown are seeing dramatic falls, most of Greater Manchester saw a drop of anything between 20% and 35% last week so another 9 days of that downward trajectory and they should be out of Tier 3......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2020 16:01:49 GMT
Probably benefits the away team in all honesty, the players will be able to hear every individual fan abusing them I imagine Danny Batth can hear Bayern from his living room!😉 Going off how he plays I think he's deaf so I'm not sure.
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Post by choppercherry on Nov 23, 2020 16:03:47 GMT
Should be all or nothing in my eyes. I go to the match to have a laugh with my Dad, my mates and the lads who sit around u. Not just to watch the football.
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Post by ab61 on Nov 23, 2020 16:07:34 GMT
Said it all along. Personally I won’t be back until it’s 100% all or nothing
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Post by Scouse on Nov 23, 2020 16:10:59 GMT
..too little to late IMHO for this season ..aim for 21/22
Several major obstacles
Areas will no doubt continue to move in and out and back into different tiers throughout the season ..particularly 2-3 weeks after Christmas ..resulting in either a full stop for some clubs , reduced for others , then reopen ..and repeat ..a ticketing / allocation / refund nightmare
Fans ( even home fans ) maybe travelling from into areas with a different rate ..or meeting on route , and either bring or take back a risk .
Public transport a concern . Tho could be part mitigated by removing cheap travel fares on trains to any town / city on the day of the game
Some clubs will find the size of crowds being talked about uneconomical, due to increased costs of holding games , either matchday or preparation , season ticket sales logistics ..and decide not to open
Selling of tickets in a window that should be best used for 21/22 sales
Different clubs approach to sales is the red/white ST going to be changed to red/ white/yellow/dark blue ST
Fans missing out , ie cut adrift and stop start could impact heavily on 21/22 retention figures
Will await any announcements from clubs with interest
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 23, 2020 16:11:18 GMT
Sadly looking at the figures, we look absolutely nailed-on for Tier 3 initially, don't we?
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 23, 2020 16:17:28 GMT
Should be all or nothing in my eyes. I go to the match to have a laugh with my Dad, my mates and the lads who sit around u. Not just to watch the football. So if I understand you correctly you are saying that if the crowd is limited to 4k you wouldn't want to go. If so that's fine. But why do you say it should be all or nothing? Are you saying that those who would like to go and watch a game in a 4k crowd shouldn't be allowed to do so?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 23, 2020 16:27:00 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 16:30:33 GMT
Better get that Plat plus card out again🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 23, 2020 16:33:57 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 23, 2020 16:35:09 GMT
4k could be a lifeline for some clubs in L1/2 and the National League. I've just done an interview with Dan Roan for BBC TV. Might get a few seconds on the 6 and 10 o'clock news but longer on Sportsday. Put on my Stoke shirt specially, like you do
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 23, 2020 16:37:03 GMT
Do you think a socially-distanced 2000, freezing their balls off in mid-winter, in a 30,000-seater will make any impact though? There's no atmosphere at the best of times. It'll be interesting to see how many clubs fall within each tier. Probably benefits the away team in all honesty, the players will be able to hear every individual fan abusing them This is the major difference between letting in a few thousand at a football match compared to a Rugby one. Saw a couple a few weeks back, one at Harlequins I think and the atmosphere was "nice". They lost the game but it's not in a Rugby fans nature to be particularly abusive or negative towards their own players or even the opposition in most cases. As for football, well, we all know what monsters the majority turn into when we're losing or the ref is fucking shit
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Post by Scouse on Nov 23, 2020 16:37:53 GMT
So the remains of the season could see us
Start at 3 0 ( bummer ) move to 2 2000 ( it’s a start ) improve to 1 4000 ( hurrah ) drop back to 2 2000 ( ooops ) then 3 - 0 ( damn ) then to 2 2000 ( not bad ) ... then to 1 4000 ( hurrah ) then to 2 2000 ( oops )
When will tiers change ... day of the game , lol ? Allocation / sale of tickets games could be interesting
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 23, 2020 16:38:51 GMT
Is it fair for some clubs to have home fans and others to not have any?.. think it should be the same for every club tbh.
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Post by stokecity4life on Nov 23, 2020 16:39:29 GMT
Id prefer 4,000 than none!!!! As long as i was one of the 4000!
Football is the main thing i`ve missed this year.
It won`t be the same yet, but it will be better than watching from home!
Plus it`s pretty obvious now that everything will be back to normal next season anyway.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 23, 2020 16:44:44 GMT
Is it fair for some clubs to have home fans and others to not have any?.. think it should be the same for every club tbh. That's true, but my view is that it's better to start the process of fans returning rather than wait until everything is perfect, particularly for the smaller clubs whose very survival might depend on getting some gate income sooner rather than later.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 23, 2020 16:44:55 GMT
Need to keep the online viewing available until it's all sorted (probably next season)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 23, 2020 16:51:28 GMT
If we aren’t allowed home fans but other clubs in the division are, could this be a disadvantage for us? I’m assuming it will be home fans only. Or do we think it’s too small a number to really make a difference? Suppose 4000 may make a small difference - but can't see many areas being in Tier 1 any time particularly soon. Tier 2 and 2000 seems unlikely to make any difference in terms of generating any atmosphere - but even that seems a long way off for us! I'm in tier 1 in Keswick. I'd suggest Stoke played their home games here but we don't have a stadium which would hold 4K - in fact we have less than 7K full time residents. Keswick football club break out the champagne if they get 100 fans.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 23, 2020 16:54:46 GMT
The whole thing makes no sense (Unless I'm reading it wrong?) Having 4,000 fans in the ground is either 'safe' or it isn't. If 'Team A' play in a 20,000 capacity stadium they can have 4,000 fans, but 'Team B' who only play in a 6,000 capacity stadium can't... But they can have 50% of their capacity, so can have 3,000 fans. Which then means those 3,000 are all far closer to eachother than the 4,000 fans in the 20,000 capacity stadium are... Which then brings you to the point of 50% of a stadiums capacity is either 'safe' or it isn't. If 4,000 is 'safe' then both Team A & Team B should be allowed to have 4,000 fans in their grounds. If 50% is 'safe' then Team A should be allowed 10,000 fans & Team B 3,000 fans.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 23, 2020 17:06:55 GMT
The whole thing makes no sense (Unless I'm reading it wrong?) Having 4,000 fans in the ground is either 'safe' or it isn't. If 'Team A' play in a 20,000 capacity stadium they can have 4,000 fans, but 'Team B' who only play in a 6,000 capacity stadium can't... But they can have 50% of their capacity, so can have 3,000 fans. Which then means those 3,000 are all far closer to eachother than the 4,000 fans in the 20,000 capacity stadium are... Which then brings you to the point of 50% of a stadiums capacity is either 'safe' or it isn't. If 4,000 is 'safe' then both Team A & Team B should be allowed to have 4,000 fans in their grounds. If 50% is 'safe' then Team A should be allowed 10,000 fans & Team B 3,000 fans. Agreed - this is typically myopic thinking by the government. The biggest stadiums such as Old Trafford, The Etihad and White Hart Lane etc. would look ridiculous with 4K fans - assuming any of them were in tier 1. At the same time a half full 8K stadium (especially with terracing) in League 2 or 3 would be a super spreading event.
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2020 17:07:32 GMT
Is it fair for some clubs to have home fans and others to not have any?.. think it should be the same for every club tbh. That's true, but my view is that it's better to start the process of fans returning rather than wait until everything is perfect, particularly for the smaller clubs whose very survival might depend on getting some gate income sooner rather than later. rather some clubs have fans, and therefore survive, than have absolute fairness understand that it's going to be unfair but that's how it's gotta be for now
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 23, 2020 17:15:23 GMT
Although they keep banging on about outdoor events a stadium is not actually outdoors. Or would concorses, toilets, lounges and exec boxes remain closed.
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Post by callas12 on Nov 23, 2020 17:21:52 GMT
Got to say I've attended quite a few U21 matches where the main stands sparsely populated and its just great to be there watching football. Its definitely slightly eerie compared to a normal match day atmosphere in that you can hear every kick of the ball & players & coaching staff shouting instructions around, but it'll still be worthwhile going to watch some live action.
I can see that there maybe some teams/managers calling an unfairness argument if some clubs are allowed fans in & others aren't but as Malcolm has said, we need to start somewhere & literally getting the ball rolling again in whatever form that takes or allows.
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