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Post by lordb on Aug 17, 2020 16:51:39 GMT
What happens at full time? Can everyone there just get up and leave or are they staggering exits too? Seems daft to give people time slots to arrive but everyone can leave en mass at full time. Will they though? Presumably staggered exit times too?
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 17, 2020 17:31:07 GMT
I don't believe this story has any factual basis. You will see that in my post which started this thread, I referred to a sentence in the SGSA draft guide for supporters which said that we should "take care" when singing or shouting, and I asked with an amused emoji how one would do that. I think this "story" which The Sentinel has rehashed from the Mail, is to put it politely, an exaggeration of that document, or to put it less politely, total nonsense. Of course it's an absurdity to imagine that such a rule could ever be enforced, or that the authorities would be silly enough to try to impose such a condition on entry. How very unlike The Sentinel to publish a load of poorly researched, sensationalist clickbait wank eh?
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 17, 2020 19:04:46 GMT
Unless I'm missing something, it seems to me that most of us won't be attending next season's games.
The logistics of getting a small crowd in and out of the stadium is one thing, but for most of us it'll be a case of can we buy a season ticket for streams?
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Post by march4 on Aug 17, 2020 19:08:07 GMT
I already have my season ticket for next season but before a vaccine is distributed for C19, I have no interest in attending.
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Post by lordb on Aug 17, 2020 19:13:31 GMT
I already have my season ticket for next season but before a vaccine is distributed for C19, I have no interest in attending. That could be never š
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2020 20:57:12 GMT
I'd definitely need to wear a mask when/if I went, you can see the spit leaving my mouth as I'm being an angry bastard. Youāre probably in more danger from a flying pie š Accidents happen!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 19, 2020 16:08:33 GMT
With fixtures being released this Friday for a 12 September start and 1 October being a proposed start date (might be later or āearlierā based upon COVID) I would imagine EPL and EFL clubs (via the FA) have been, and continue to press the government to provide detailed guidance in respect of the numbers of people being permitted to attend games.
I assume requirements will include;
1. No away supporters 2. Season Ticket holders only 3. A maximum number allowed to attend based upon a % of the ground capacity (not sure if there are grounds with standing)
I believe the Bet365 has a capacity of 30,089. Based on %ās hereās some possibles;
30% = 9000 40% = 12000 50% = 15000 60% = 18000
An additional issue for agreement being the availability of corporate, catering and toilet facilities The opening, closure and any restrictions for purchase in the next Early Bird will be interesting.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 20, 2020 19:55:56 GMT
Itās slightly concerning they donāt appear ready to offer fans a streaming alternative like in āProject Restartā.
Itāll be annoying if we donāt at least get to see the games on tv.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Aug 20, 2020 20:30:31 GMT
I thought Boris and his cronies were supposed to be releasing a program of pilot events to test measures implemented at sporting venues? What are they waiting for?
There won't be any sport left for them to test on if they carry on fucking about. š”
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 7:39:03 GMT
I have written a piece in today's Sentinel www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/malcolm-clarke-going-football-game-4444466As ever, the headline is their's. I didn't use the word "never". Much of it is the same as my first post which started this thread. I had to submit the copy before attending a (virtual of course) meeting with the EFL yesterday afternoon. It was a bit of a relief to find that not too much has changed, otherwise I might have looked a bit silly ( no change there, I hear you say ). I am pleased to say the EFL endorsed the three FSA principles I put in my first post and the article. The position on away fans is interesting. The EFL will relax their rules on it, but are clear that they want that to be a temporary measure. But it will still be down to local determination and apparently some clubs want to keep away fans right from the start. Others don't, either for operational reasons or because they could accommodate more season card holders without away fans. That of course raises some questions of competitive balance, if some clubs have the advantage of no away fans and others don't. On that, it is clear from a meeting the FSA had with them the previous day that the Premier League are very keen to keep away fans. Perhaps this is because the broadcasters want it, perhaps because they think that with reduced capacities, away fans are even more important to the atmosphere.Of course the assumption that only away fans travel any distance to games is not true. Hopefully the 3 hours I mentioned is the worst case scenario for anyone, and for most it will be much less than that.I think it is entirely possible that at some grounds the concourses will only be used for getting in and out and going to the loo. Overall, I think as much as possible will be devolved down to local level, which is also where the Stoke City SAG ( on which there is no supporter representation) come into play. I assume that Club officials will already be in detailed discussions with the Council officers on this, within the overall context of the SGSA guidelines. I strongly recommended to the EFL that they should consult with the FSA before they issue their guidance or a code for fans. Choice of language as well as content is very important, which they and the SGSA don't always get. I hope this helps.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 7:45:08 GMT
Itās slightly concerning they donāt appear ready to offer fans a streaming alternative like in āProject Restartā. Itāll be annoying if we donāt at least get to see the games on tv. Sorry - I omitted this from my post above. It is clear that the EFL want to offer streaming to fans and are working on that. The position on that in the PL is interesting. At present there are no plans to enable PL fans to watch all their teams games and there will be many games which will not be accessible through any platform in the UK. I am told that we share that honour only with Saudi Arabia an North Korea !! That may be an exaggeration but it will be absurd if those games can be watched throughout most of the rest of the world, but not in the UK, when there are regular match-going fans who can't get in.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 7:46:56 GMT
I thought Boris and his cronies were supposed to be releasing a program of pilot events to test measures implemented at sporting venues? What are they waiting for? There won't be any sport left for them to test on if they carry on fucking about. š” We were told yesterday that there are likely to be be test games at Charlton Athletic and Cambridge United. There have already been test events in other sports.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 7:59:45 GMT
With fixtures being released this Friday for a 12 September start and 1 October being a proposed start date (might be later or āearlierā based upon COVID) I would imagine EPL and EFL clubs (via the FA) have been, and continue to press the government to provide detailed guidance in respect of the numbers of people being permitted to attend games. I assume requirements will include; 1. No away supporters 2. Season Ticket holders only 3. A maximum number allowed to attend based upon a % of the ground capacity (not sure if there are grounds with standing) I believe the Bet365 has a capacity of 30,089. Based on %ās hereās some possibles; 30% = 9000 40% = 12000 50% = 15000 60% = 18000 An additional issue for agreement being the availability of corporate, catering and toilet facilities The opening, closure and any restrictions for purchase in the next Early Bird will be interesting. See my other post and Sentinel article on away fans and the other issues you mention. Whether it's season card holders only, will be a matter for each club to decide. As a generalisation, the lower down the leagues you go, the easier it will be for clubs to accommodate all their season card holders who want to go ( and that's a big qualification) and others as well. Stoke City promised that the EB would re-open. Many fans leave it late in the window to purchase, for understandable financial reasons, and may, say have been planning to do so at the Barnsley game 2 days before it closed, which didn't happen of course, and just decided to wait until it re-opens. My personal view is that the Club have to honour that undertaking to re-open the window and do so on the same terms as for those who brought earlier in the window. How many would do so in the current situation is a different question, although as I've said in the Sentinel article, it will be not losing their seat which matters to many, even if it will be a while before they want or are allowed to sit in it.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2020 8:29:24 GMT
Itās slightly concerning they donāt appear ready to offer fans a streaming alternative like in āProject Restartā. Itāll be annoying if we donāt at least get to see the games on tv. Totally agree It would create some (minimal) income and of course sustain the interest Let's hope that Subscription options are in the pipeline, either as a season ticket (home and / or away options), pay per match via streaming / Sky/ BT to get involved etc Eventually clubs rich (and organised) enough to have their own TV channels I cannot see many (if any) fans being allowed into grounds for the foreseeable future
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 21, 2020 8:33:06 GMT
I thought Boris and his cronies were supposed to be releasing a program of pilot events to test measures implemented at sporting venues? What are they waiting for? There won't be any sport left for them to test on if they carry on fucking about. š” They have, there were spectators in the snooker at the weekend and was supposed to be at some cricket matches but I think the weather put paid to that.
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Post by alanhudson1972 on Aug 21, 2020 9:01:58 GMT
I think I need my eyes testing and perhaps my brain scrubbing, but I honestly thought the title of this thread read "Fans return to LABIA" šš
to which I thought, I'd never left that particular avenue of pleasure in the first place š
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2020 9:25:02 GMT
I think I need my eyes testing and perhaps my brain scrubbing, but I honestly thought the title of this thread read "Fans return to LABIA" šš
to which I thought, I'd never left that particular avenue of pleasure in the first place š Are you a fan or do you just pay lip service?
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Post by AlliG on Aug 21, 2020 11:12:42 GMT
With fixtures being released this Friday for a 12 September start and 1 October being a proposed start date (might be later or āearlierā based upon COVID) I would imagine EPL and EFL clubs (via the FA) have been, and continue to press the government to provide detailed guidance in respect of the numbers of people being permitted to attend games. I assume requirements will include; 1. No away supporters 2. Season Ticket holders only 3. A maximum number allowed to attend based upon a % of the ground capacity (not sure if there are grounds with standing) I believe the Bet365 has a capacity of 30,089. Based on %ās hereās some possibles; 30% = 9000 40% = 12000 50% = 15000 60% = 18000 An additional issue for agreement being the availability of corporate, catering and toilet facilities The opening, closure and any restrictions for purchase in the next Early Bird will be interesting. See my other post and Sentinel article on away fans and the other issues you mention. Whether it's season card holders only, will be a matter for each club to decide. As a generalisation, the lower down the leagues you go, the easier it will be for clubs to accommodate all their season card holders who want to go ( and that's a big qualification) and others as well. Stoke City promised that the EB would re-open. Many fans leave it late in the window to purchase, for understandable financial reasons, and may, say have been planning to do so at the Barnsley game 2 days before it closed, which didn't happen of course, and just decided to wait until it re-opens. My personal view is that the Club have to honour that undertaking to re-open the window and do so on the same terms as for those who brought earlier in the window. How many would do so in the current situation is a different question, although as I've said in the Sentinel article, it will be not losing their seat which matters to many, even if it will be a while before they want or are allowed to sit in it. Spot on Malcolm. I have had, what I consider to be, the best seat in The Boothen End since the day the ground opened. (In the centre of the goals, a concrete wall in front so I get more legroom and a drop to the next row of seats so that my view is never obscured). Other than a couple of people who have died and a couple more who gave up due to age/ill health I have now sat amongst the same group of people for the whole period. We renewed our season tickets in the original Early Bird period with no real expectation about being able to attend for a while but to keep our seats ready for such time when we would be able to return safely.
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Post by ladyinred on Aug 21, 2020 11:29:01 GMT
In order to maintain social distancing I'd imagine very few attendees will actually be sitting in their 'normal' seat.
Indeed I'd imagine that the easiest way to organise it will be that seats are allocated on arrival - with the proviso that households/bubbles arrive together.
Club officials could then fill seats ie from the back block by block, row by row leaving the necessary gaps between groups/bubbles.
I don't believe that our ticket office would be capable of arranging this in advance.
I also wonder if stadium capacity will be divided down into stand capacity, for example the main stand may be able to operate at 30% capacity due to larger concourse area, where as the Boothen could be restricted to say 15%? This would lead to a lower % of 'cheap seats'. Also there would be complications in the stands that have 'premium seat prices'.
Undoubtedly A LOT of organisation will need to go into this.
I'm happy to sit wherever initially, but IF we ever get back to normal, I want my original seat!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 11:40:39 GMT
See my other post and Sentinel article on away fans and the other issues you mention. Whether it's season card holders only, will be a matter for each club to decide. As a generalisation, the lower down the leagues you go, the easier it will be for clubs to accommodate all their season card holders who want to go ( and that's a big qualification) and others as well. Stoke City promised that the EB would re-open. Many fans leave it late in the window to purchase, for understandable financial reasons, and may, say have been planning to do so at the Barnsley game 2 days before it closed, which didn't happen of course, and just decided to wait until it re-opens. My personal view is that the Club have to honour that undertaking to re-open the window and do so on the same terms as for those who brought earlier in the window. How many would do so in the current situation is a different question, although as I've said in the Sentinel article, it will be not losing their seat which matters to many, even if it will be a while before they want or are allowed to sit in it. Spot on Malcolm. I have had, what I consider to be, the best seat in The Boothen End since the day the ground opened. (In the centre of the goals, a concrete wall in front so I get more legroom and a drop to the next row of seats so that my view is never obscured). Other than a couple of people who have died and a couple more who gave up due to age/ill health I have now sat amongst the same group of people for the whole period. We renewed our season tickets in the original Early Bird period with no real expectation about being able to attend for a while but to keep our seats ready for such time when we would be able to return safely. I think you must sit next or almost next to my friends Rob & Paul ( "Pres") ?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 21, 2020 11:44:15 GMT
In order to maintain social distancing I'd imagine very few attendees will actually be sitting in their 'normal' seat. Indeed I'd imagine that the easiest way to organise it will be that seats are allocated on arrival - with the proviso that households/bubbles arrive together. Club officials could then fill seats ie from the back block by block, row by row leaving the necessary gaps between groups/bubbles. I don't believe that our ticket office would be capable of arranging this in advance. I also wonder if stadium capacity will be divided down into stand capacity, for example the main stand may be able to operate at 30% capacity due to larger concourse area, where as the Boothen could be restricted to say 15%? This would lead to a lower % of 'cheap seats'. Also there would be complications in the stands that have 'premium seat prices'. Undoubtedly A LOT of organisation will need to go into this. I'm happy to sit wherever initially, but IF we ever get back to normal, I want my original seat! Your last line š. Iāve an excellent seat in which Iāve sat from the opening day of the Brit.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 11:50:01 GMT
In order to maintain social distancing I'd imagine very few attendees will actually be sitting in their 'normal' seat. Indeed I'd imagine that the easiest way to organise it will be that seats are allocated on arrival - with the proviso that households/bubbles arrive together. Club officials could then fill seats ie from the back block by block, row by row leaving the necessary gaps between groups/bubbles. I don't believe that our ticket office would be capable of arranging this in advance. I also wonder if stadium capacity will be divided down into stand capacity, for example the main stand may be able to operate at 30% capacity due to larger concourse area, where as the Boothen could be restricted to say 15%? This would lead to a lower % of 'cheap seats'. Also there would be complications in the stands that have 'premium seat prices'. Undoubtedly A LOT of organisation will need to go into this. I'm happy to sit wherever initially, but IF we ever get back to normal, I want my original seat! I think that's a very interesting idea about how the seats might be allocated on the day, although it might require a lot of staff. Different stands will have different % capacities for the sorts of reason you say - different concourse space, toilet capacity, stair widths etc etc and the price differentials add just another complication. I hope that the club will be a bit more open on the options and numbers than they have been so far, but equally that supporters will appreciate just what a difficult challenge it is, and not be unreasonable, intolerant or selfish in their responses. We are all in this together - consultation, transparency, flexibility and tolerance on all sides is required.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Aug 21, 2020 12:07:15 GMT
I thought Boris and his cronies were supposed to be releasing a program of pilot events to test measures implemented at sporting venues? What are they waiting for? There won't be any sport left for them to test on if they carry on fucking about. š” They have, there were spectators in the snooker at the weekend and was supposed to be at some cricket matches but I think the weather put paid to that. Yes but the spectators at the snooker was announced in the initial group of pilot events. It was then put on hold when there was a 'spike' and they returned for the final after some sort of review on the 15th August, bizarre. The other events announced were Bob Willis Trophy cricket matches at Edgbaston and The Oval. The weather was fine, the matches went ahead, but the govt just decided they didn't want any spectators there. Literally no reason to cancel the pilot. Same with the racing at Goodwood. I believe it went ahead, without spectators which was planned. No need to cancel it. Now we are no further down the road with these test events and we get closer and closer to the start of the season. After fans returned to the Crucible for the snooker Final, there was supposed to be another announcement of further pilot events to follow. Since then...nothing
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Post by stratforddj on Aug 21, 2020 12:13:49 GMT
Malcolm, thanks for the update. Has anything been mentioned about those season tickets holders living a significant distance away from the stadium. I have a 150 mile round trip to every game and given the increased amount of midweek home games due to Covid , I think it's 8 for us next season. I and many others are going to struggle to get time off work, fighting M6 motorway traffic etc to be able to attend all 8. If are ticketing system would allow it , I'd forsake going to midweek games if I could watch on a stream ( not my desired choice) but this extrapalated across the stadium with other long distance supporters and children whose parents don't want them to be up late as they are young, would I'm assuming give a lot more capacity to allow locals to get in who under a percentage rule might not be able to? Speaking to other Stokies who travel long distances it seems a possibility of assisting to get more to see the game. What do you think?
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 21, 2020 13:02:13 GMT
Surely banning away fans for a period of time is the first step it allows more room in toilets, concourses as the away section can be used and for social distancing. Then partition off the blocks so people can only enter through certain turnstiles and the corridors to the seats based on your block and seat number. Also this could block off toilets to certain sections that should help in getting people in as for half time and after the game Iām out for now, maybe not serve refreshments to begin with and shut the bookies to reduce the need for people to mingle?
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Post by AlliG on Aug 21, 2020 13:52:56 GMT
Spot on Malcolm. I have had, what I consider to be, the best seat in The Boothen End since the day the ground opened. (In the centre of the goals, a concrete wall in front so I get more legroom and a drop to the next row of seats so that my view is never obscured). Other than a couple of people who have died and a couple more who gave up due to age/ill health I have now sat amongst the same group of people for the whole period. We renewed our season tickets in the original Early Bird period with no real expectation about being able to attend for a while but to keep our seats ready for such time when we would be able to return safely. I think you must sit next or almost next to my friends Rob & Paul ( "Pres") ? If it is Rob from near Wigan, then 2 or 3 seats to his left.
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Post by TonyDx on Aug 21, 2020 15:06:50 GMT
Itās slightly concerning they donāt appear ready to offer fans a streaming alternative like in āProject Restartā. Itāll be annoying if we donāt at least get to see the games on tv. Sorry - I omitted this from my post above. It is clear that the EFL want to offer streaming to fans and are working on that. The position on that in the PL is interesting. At present there are no plans to enable PL fans to watch all their teams games and there will be many games which will not be accessible through any platform in the UK. I am told that we share that honour only with Saudi Arabia an North Korea !! That may be an exaggeration but it will be absurd if those games can be watched throughout most of the rest of the world, but not in the UK, when there are regular match-going fans who can't get in. If I have to stay away from the ground then I want to see the game on my TV in HD. Not like the tailend games of last season only on my phone or laptop or desktop not all. And defo not Cast to a TV. I live 165 miles away. Midweek matches are a nightmare. Train fares have doubled, what about the buses from the town centre? I have a season card bought on the first day they were available. I want some say in what matches I can or cannot attend. TonyDx
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Post by flea79 on Aug 21, 2020 15:28:55 GMT
i have zero interest in attending a game with no atmosphere and the back and forth with away fans, thats part of the game for me, its adversarial, its great, sitting silently watching our lads kick it about is not sounding like fun for me.....
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 21, 2020 15:44:50 GMT
Sorry - I omitted this from my post above. It is clear that the EFL want to offer streaming to fans and are working on that. The position on that in the PL is interesting. At present there are no plans to enable PL fans to watch all their teams games and there will be many games which will not be accessible through any platform in the UK. I am told that we share that honour only with Saudi Arabia an North Korea !! That may be an exaggeration but it will be absurd if those games can be watched throughout most of the rest of the world, but not in the UK, when there are regular match-going fans who can't get in. If I have to stay away from the ground then I want to see the game on my TV in HD. Not like the tailend games of last season only on my phone or laptop or desktop not all. And defo not Cast to a TV. I live 165 miles away. Midweek matches are a nightmare. Train fares have doubled, what about the buses from the town centre? I have a season card bought on the first day they were available. I want some say in what matches I can or cannot attend. TonyDx How else will you watch the games on your TV if you don't cast the stream to it? Do you want the club to broadcast the games terrestrially or something?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 16:01:08 GMT
I think you must sit next or almost next to my friends Rob & Paul ( "Pres") ? If it is Rob from near Wigan, then 2 or 3 seats to his left. He's Crewe, Alli. But they deffo sit behind the wall overlooking disabled area in centre of Boothen End
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