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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 21:59:18 GMT
Brentford's recruitment will always give them a chance but you have to think that this will be their best chance of going up for a while... Benrahma will be off. Watkins as well. How do you replace them? Well and truly bottled it since we beat them. They've already been linked with a 11M move for Ivan Toney at Peterborough. He's a striker that would walk into our team yet because of our poor transfer strategy we can't buy him if we wanted to, yet Brentford can and probably will. He'll replace Watkins no doubt and they'll move on, just like he replaced Maupay. Eventually they will achieve top flight football as their system cannot fail them that last step forever. I don't get the sniggering at their failure from the same old faces. They're run far more professionally than we are. |
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 4, 2020 22:06:58 GMT
Brentford's recruitment will always give them a chance but you have to think that this will be their best chance of going up for a while... Benrahma will be off. Watkins as well. How do you replace them? Well and truly bottled it since we beat them. They've already been linked with a 11M move for Ivan Toney at Peterborough. He's a striker that would walk into our team yet because of our poor transfer strategy we can't buy him if we wanted to, yet Brentford can and probably will. He'll replace Watkins no doubt and they'll move on, just like he replaced Maupay. Eventually they will achieve top flight football as their system cannot fail them that last step forever. I don't get the sniggering at their failure from the same old faces. They're run far more professionally than we are. Are Brentford your 'second team' |
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 4, 2020 22:12:33 GMT
Have to say it's refreshing at how thomas frank is always so complimentary towards his opposition.
Nice to see
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 22:41:57 GMT
They've already been linked with a 11M move for Ivan Toney at Peterborough. He's a striker that would walk into our team yet because of our poor transfer strategy we can't buy him if we wanted to, yet Brentford can and probably will. He'll replace Watkins no doubt and they'll move on, just like he replaced Maupay. Eventually they will achieve top flight football as their system cannot fail them that last step forever. I don't get the sniggering at their failure from the same old faces. They're run far more professionally than we are. Are Brentford your 'second team' My second team are Stoke reserves. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 5, 2020 5:22:36 GMT
Fulham will be relegated after a season
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 5, 2020 6:34:42 GMT
Brentford's recruitment will always give them a chance but you have to think that this will be their best chance of going up for a while... Benrahma will be off. Watkins as well. How do you replace them? Well and truly bottled it since we beat them. They've already been linked with a 11M move for Ivan Toney at Peterborough. He's a striker that would walk into our team yet because of our poor transfer strategy we can't buy him if we wanted to, yet Brentford can and probably will. He'll replace Watkins no doubt and they'll move on, just like he replaced Maupay. Eventually they will achieve top flight football as their system cannot fail them that last step forever. I don't get the sniggering at their failure from the same old faces. They're run far more professionally than we are. They do okay but maybe fall at the last hurdle regularly because the players they buy lack the mental toughness when it matters. They were not going to make the top two until lockdown, went on a run but when the chance was there they bottled it. They could easily be mid-table again next season. Everyone praises their model but it relies on other clubs doing the hard work of youth development. They have no youth system or academy just a B team and being in London allows them to pick up players let go at 18 from the big clubs. Stoke have completely the opposite view which is to try and give every kid locally with a chance of playing professionally an opportunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 6:51:36 GMT
They've already been linked with a 11M move for Ivan Toney at Peterborough. He's a striker that would walk into our team yet because of our poor transfer strategy we can't buy him if we wanted to, yet Brentford can and probably will. He'll replace Watkins no doubt and they'll move on, just like he replaced Maupay. Eventually they will achieve top flight football as their system cannot fail them that last step forever. I don't get the sniggering at their failure from the same old faces. They're run far more professionally than we are. They do okay but maybe fall at the last hurdle regularly because the players they buy lack the mental toughness when it matters. They were not going to make the top two until lockdown, went on a run but when the chance was there they bottled it. They could easily be mid-table again next season. Everyone praises their model but it relies on other clubs doing the hard work of youth development. They have no youth system or academy just a B team and being in London allows them to pick up players let go at 18 from the big clubs. Stoke have completely the opposite view which is to try and give every kid locally with a chance of playing professionally an opportunity. What an odd assessment. Our youth academy, for the money spent on it, has yielded virtually absolutely nothing for the last ten years or more. The irony being the one serious player it has yielded was brought for 7 figures from Manchester City after they had done all of the hard work. The local lads you talk about are all virtually non existent. A club like Brentford with it's statistical approach have worked out that the money required to invest to get players out is far too variable and far too insecure, hence why the youth system has gone. Brentford's model is all about buying cheap, developing, selling high in order to reinvest more at the cheaper end to buy better players in order to reduce the risk of the development cycle. It's not a perfect model but I can't understand why so many mock or try to mock it when they support a club like ours that has spent too much money on too much junk, in a scatter gun approach that will now see us with a spending power far less than the club they mock. The harsh reality is they can and will outgun us for absolutely any and every top end league one or championship player they go for and it's all down to the approach they take in comparison to ours. Yes, they haven't been in the Premier League for ten years like we have but that is in the past. In the here and now we are dealing with. It's that aimless scatter gun approach, amongst other reasons that has seen us lose our place in the PL. The takeaway point is: If the owners took that road of recruitment, with their ability and drive to keep hold of most of our better players like we have done historically (rather than Brentford's need to sell anything that moves) then what could we achieve? |
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 5, 2020 7:50:28 GMT
They do okay but maybe fall at the last hurdle regularly because the players they buy lack the mental toughness when it matters. They were not going to make the top two until lockdown, went on a run but when the chance was there they bottled it. They could easily be mid-table again next season. Everyone praises their model but it relies on other clubs doing the hard work of youth development. They have no youth system or academy just a B team and being in London allows them to pick up players let go at 18 from the big clubs. Stoke have completely the opposite view which is to try and give every kid locally with a chance of playing professionally an opportunity. What an odd assessment. Our youth academy, for the money spent on it, has yielded virtually absolutely nothing for the last ten years or more. The irony being the one serious player it has yielded was brought for 7 figures from Manchester City after they had done all of the hard work. The local lads you talk about are all virtually non existent. A club like Brentford with it's statistical approach have worked out that the money required to invest to get players out is far too variable and far too insecure, hence why the youth system has gone. Brentford's model is all about buying cheap, developing, selling high in order to reinvest more at the cheaper end to buy better players in order to reduce the risk of the development cycle. It's not a perfect model but I can't understand why so many mock or try to mock it when they support a club like ours that has spent too much money on too much junk, in a scatter gun approach that will now see us with a spending power far less than the club they mock. The harsh reality is they can and will outgun us for absolutely any and every top end league one or championship player they go for and it's all down to the approach they take in comparison to ours. Yes, they haven't been in the Premier League for ten years like we have but that is in the past. In the here and now we are dealing with. It's that aimless scatter gun approach, amongst other reasons that has seen us lose our place in the PL. The takeaway point is: If the owners took that road of recruitment, with their ability and drive to keep hold of most of our better players like we have done historically (rather than Brentford's need to sell anything that moves) then what could we achieve?
Personally, the romantic in me wants a youth academy at our club. Finding, developing and churning out a veritable comveyor belt of ready-to-roll talent both good enough to keep us playing a brand of decent football and to significantly supplement our income stream with, let's be honest, regular sales when the big clubs inevitably come calling - as they would if the system worked.
(And that's where we differ, slightly in that in all but the very top academies, there has to be a notion of sell-on, not just keep.)
Without doubt that is also what PC wants in his overall club model, whether for financial or perhaps community-centric reasons. Not just any old lads ripping it up I suspect, but ones from an ST post code.
Sadly, and yet surely only after, the absolute horror show of the supply chain for new players into the senior side in recent years, this must be one of his massive regrets that it has been so poor for all its investment. Not a single one in my count to put on a pedastal and be able to shout "our academy works".
(The risk built into the system and highlighted by the farce of that Sankoh lad's departure must give rise to another huge doubt in anyone's mind that a club in our present position in the food chain can sustain a viable academy.)
So who's got it right, if only in pure financial terms? Brentford by an absolute country mile obviously.
And the irony of ironies, as pointed out many times (and quite aside from the fact that we could just buy in the very best brains and expertise to mastermind and run such a system anyway) is that such statistical gymnastics are what the family business does already - and does so rather chuffin' well actually.
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