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Post by Northy on Jul 27, 2020 13:03:54 GMT
Ditch it for the premier League, they aren't in the League I read somewhere a while ago that teams below the conference North and South may not be taking part, the FA cup extra preliminary round normally starts mid August That's wrong mate, the FA Cup is as normal and is already over subscribed with applications from teams up and down the country. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53537535I must have missed that news from Saturday then, I did say I read it a while ago. However, with the lower clubs in the North West Counties objecting against the league's proposals to a restart without fans, I'm not sure when they will start the FA cup, will be a lot of mid week fixtures, just hope winter isn't as wet as the last one, so many postponements at grass roots level.
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 27, 2020 13:19:38 GMT
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-man-city-supporters-18654019According to a draft document from the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA), published in The Times, stadiums will be at a maximum of 33 percent full and could be at as low as 17 percent of capacity when fans return in October.
The document states: “It is emphasised that capacity assessments arrived at after optimising seat allocations will be permitted only if it can be shown that the entry, exit and emergency exit capacities and, where applicable, the concourse capacity, can support such numbers when social distancing is in place.”
While Peter Houghton, director of operations for the Football Safety Officers Association, told The Times : “Even Premier League clubs will not want capacities of 20 per cent or less for too long.
“Concourse capacities are going to be key to the amount of the stadium that can be used. Generally the older the stadiums the less space there is.”
The move is expected to come as a huge financial blow to clubs up and down the country with one senior football official telling the publication: “These guidelines are problematic and could well make football lose even more money.”
“It’s a massive issue for League One, League Two and National League clubs and I don’t know how many will be willing to implement it because of the costs involved.
“There’s the cost of signage, stewarding, temperature checks. Clubs will be asking if it is worth them opening.”
The report goes on to claim that clubs will be obliged to carry out risk assessments of their grounds and fans who apply for tickets will be required to carry out a personal risk assessment. It's all very well saying that stadiums can have a maximum of 33% capacity being used and that concourse capacities will be key but how does that work in reality? I could probably list 20 different issues off the top of my head but I'll just give the example of one. What happens at the end of the game? Do they seriously think that people are going to sit there, until it's the turn of their row before they can leave and that they'll keep to social distancing rules as they do so? What if you want to leave 5 minutes before the end? Are you going to be told to return to your seat until it's your turn to leave? Essentially what I'm saying, is that even at only 33% capacity, it is impossible for a football crowd to exit stadia in a socially distanced manner. Well they should ban people from leaving before the end of the game. Should have been done years ago! BM
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2020 11:11:40 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2020 11:30:00 GMT
Fans in stadiums looks as far away as ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:38:34 GMT
This is a disaster. Surely this puts the restart of leagues below the Championship in serious doubt, and ultimately the future of many, many clubs.
There now needs to be a serious and urgent review into how the TV money can be diverted more equally across the board, else our leagues will be completely destroyed for good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2020 11:38:35 GMT
Shock horror. It always seemed fanciful. Johnson did the old WW1 and WW2, the lads will be back before Christmas routine too to seal the deal.
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Post by Northy on Jul 31, 2020 11:50:05 GMT
This is a disaster. Surely this puts the restart of leagues below the Championship in serious doubt, and ultimately the future of many, many clubs. There now needs to be a serious and urgent review into how the TV money can be diverted more equally across the board, else our leagues will be completely destroyed for good. My village is playing a pre-season friendly on 11th August against 1874 Northwich, it is a designated grassroots trial game by the FA, no spectators allowed, all players and officials arriving in their own vehicles where possible, players pre dressed for the game as much as possible, and no after match activities (showers, socialising) The clubs at that level say they can't operate without fans, it's their income, so TV money feeding down would be great, but the PL won't let that happen will they ?
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Post by zerps on Jul 31, 2020 11:57:59 GMT
This is a disaster. Surely this puts the restart of leagues below the Championship in serious doubt, and ultimately the future of many, many clubs. There now needs to be a serious and urgent review into how the TV money can be diverted more equally across the board, else our leagues will be completely destroyed for good. Yet pubs will remain open. I’d say some pubs have bigger crowds than some league 2 away ends. I’d probably back a civil war to overturn the government and the entire democratic system at this stage. What they’re doing and what they’re telling us is complete bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:58:30 GMT
This is a disaster. Surely this puts the restart of leagues below the Championship in serious doubt, and ultimately the future of many, many clubs. There now needs to be a serious and urgent review into how the TV money can be diverted more equally across the board, else our leagues will be completely destroyed for good. It's a mess, the Premier League clubs will fight that to the death realistically, their budgets are based around the tv revenue. Personally I'd be tempted to try some sort of mad, one off, this season only tax. Every transfer bought by a Premier League club has an extra 5/10% on top of it which goes into the coffers keeping lower leagues alive. You keep your tv money, and if you really want to buy then you can, but it'd really cut down the frivolous spending which frankly would have looked a bit gauche when you have teams in low leagues scrapping for their very existence. My logic is that they're not forced to sign anyone and pay this 'tax', which makes it harder for them to reasonably reject, and it'll mean the biggest clubs with most money will contribute comparatively more than the smaller clubs. I'm sure there's a million reasons this could never happen of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 11:59:47 GMT
This is a disaster. Surely this puts the restart of leagues below the Championship in serious doubt, and ultimately the future of many, many clubs. There now needs to be a serious and urgent review into how the TV money can be diverted more equally across the board, else our leagues will be completely destroyed for good. My village is playing a pre-season friendly on 11th August against 1874 Northwich, it is a designated grassroots trial game by the FA, no spectators allowed, all players and officials arriving in their own vehicles where possible, players pre dressed for the game as much as possible, and no after match activities (showers, socialising) The clubs at that level say they can't operate without fans, it's their income, so TV money feeding down would be great, but the PL won't let that happen will they ? No they won't but it's one of the reasons I didn't want the season to restart, amongst others. The time, effort and money spent in getting the season finished (time particularly) could and should have been spent getting everyone around the table to thrash out a way forward beyond the season just gone. Just ploughing on with heads buried in the sand was always doomed to failure if things on a country or world level changed for the negative, which they have and my gut feeling tells me will only get worse again before it gets better. A certain poster on here predicted August 2021 before supporters are allowed back and I wouldn't bet against that at the moment. The FA, EFL and Premier League need to get around the table with the government and sort something out to protect the 'sovereignty' of our national sport. One more club going to the wall will be unforgivable when you have top level clubs like Chelsea lashing out over 80M on two players.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2020 14:51:21 GMT
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 31, 2020 14:59:53 GMT
Realistically I can't see how they could sell season tickets if the earliest fans could be back is October and then it is 33%. I know people have discussed a balloting or raffle but the permutations of social distance make it baffling that anyone would have "their seat"
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 31, 2020 15:53:55 GMT
The reality is that if clubs are playing games, they'll need income to cover costs.
If fans aren't allowed back into stadiums, even in reduced numbers, then there simply has to be the option to pay for live streaming. Whether there'd be enough of a take up for this to make it financially viable though is debatable.
Personally, I think there are ways around all problems. Things aren't going to be back to normal for a long time, and the matchday experience will be very different if we are allowed back. People will have to get used to that though, and ultimately if they do't want to put up with the inconveniences that will be part of attending a game (e.g. wearing a mask, no refreshments, allocated arrival times etc) then it'd be better for them to stay at home while everyone who is prepared to adapt gets on with it.
The alternative is that professional football is finished outside the Premier League.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2020 16:21:02 GMT
The reality is that if clubs are playing games, they'll need income to cover costs. If fans aren't allowed back into stadiums, even in reduced numbers, then there simply has to be the option to pay for live streaming. Whether there'd be enough of a take up for this to make it financially viable though is debatable. Personally, I think there are ways around all problems. Things aren't going to be back to normal for a long time, and the matchday experience will be very different if we are allowed back. People will have to get used to that though, and ultimately if they do't want to put up with the inconveniences that will be part of attending a game (e.g. wearing a mask, no refreshments, allocated arrival times etc) then it'd be better for them to stay at home while everyone who is prepared to adapt gets on with it. The alternative is that professional football is finished outside the Premier League. I've sat where I have now since about 2006 and of the people who sit around me (God help them) I don't think 90% or more would be able to go the game in the group they go now because they're mates or like me, I go with my Brother but he doesn't live with me and lives with someone shielding so won't be arsed about going the game anyway. That alone would make the home games odd, you get used to the same faces.
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