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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 24, 2020 14:07:34 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2020 14:11:54 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 24, 2020 14:20:48 GMT
No matchday income is going to be difficult (if not impossible) for lots of clubs. How many clubs have big enough stadiums to distance the fans? Vale do for sure (for once, not meant as a putdown). Crewe could probably manage too.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2020 14:41:59 GMT
You do wonder when we're going to get any clarity at all on fans being allowed in - and it leaves the clubs in a very tricky position with season tickets etc (before you get into the lower leagues facing a financial black hole)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2020 14:48:28 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Jul 24, 2020 14:51:26 GMT
No matchday income is going to be difficult (if not impossible) for lots of clubs. How many clubs have big enough stadiums to distance the fans? Vale do for sure (for once, not meant as a putdown). Crewe could probably manage too. Most League 1 and 2 clubs could accommodate 50% of their average gate much easier than Championship and PL Clubs. |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 24, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
Its crazy to not allow fans in all it's doing is putting more clubs at risk of going bump. I can go pretty much anywhere and do anything but I cant chose to go to a game if I want.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2020 14:57:28 GMT
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-man-city-supporters-18654019According to a draft document from the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA), published in The Times, stadiums will be at a maximum of 33 percent full and could be at as low as 17 percent of capacity when fans return in October.
The document states: “It is emphasised that capacity assessments arrived at after optimising seat allocations will be permitted only if it can be shown that the entry, exit and emergency exit capacities and, where applicable, the concourse capacity, can support such numbers when social distancing is in place.”
While Peter Houghton, director of operations for the Football Safety Officers Association, told The Times : “Even Premier League clubs will not want capacities of 20 per cent or less for too long.
“Concourse capacities are going to be key to the amount of the stadium that can be used. Generally the older the stadiums the less space there is.”
The move is expected to come as a huge financial blow to clubs up and down the country with one senior football official telling the publication: “These guidelines are problematic and could well make football lose even more money.”
“It’s a massive issue for League One, League Two and National League clubs and I don’t know how many will be willing to implement it because of the costs involved.
“There’s the cost of signage, stewarding, temperature checks. Clubs will be asking if it is worth them opening.”
The report goes on to claim that clubs will be obliged to carry out risk assessments of their grounds and fans who apply for tickets will be required to carry out a personal risk assessment.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 24, 2020 15:07:47 GMT
Looks like the fixtures wil be out on the 10th Aug🤔
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 24, 2020 15:40:29 GMT
I really can't see how financially viable it is for league one clubs and below, they cant operate with only 30 to 50% of gate receipts.
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Post by lordb on Jul 24, 2020 16:12:30 GMT
I really can't see how financially viable it is for league one clubs and below, they cant operate with only 30 to 50% of gate receipts. suspect some clubs could end up charging some hefty prices for matchday tickets |
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Post by desman2 on Jul 24, 2020 17:02:14 GMT
I really can't see how financially viable it is for league one clubs and below, they cant operate with only 30 to 50% of gate receipts. suspect some clubs could end up charging some hefty prices for matchday tickets And some touts if they get hold of them |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 24, 2020 17:43:33 GMT
No matchday income is going to be difficult (if not impossible) for lots of clubs. How many clubs have big enough stadiums to distance the fans? Vale do for sure (for once, not meant as a putdown). Crewe could probably manage too. Most League 1 and 2 clubs could accommodate 50% of their average gate much easier than Championship and PL Clubs. Of course, but it's still more of the League One and lower clubs that are going to be in trouble due to no/reduced crowds. Most Premier League clubs should be okay with the TV and sponsorship money. I can see the Championship bubble bursting a bit too (possibly to our advantage), but there's not much sign of the Premiership bubble bursting, like has been stated for years. I hope it'll stop some of the bigger clubs hoarding so many players, but that's unlikely given 5 substitutes will likely be allowed. Below the Premier League, I can see playing squads being trimmed dramatically and many more footballers out of work than usual. |
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Post by sealion100 on Jul 24, 2020 17:54:36 GMT
Any news on when fixtures are announced or have I missed it!
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 24, 2020 17:56:23 GMT
Looks like the fixtures wil be out on the 10th Aug🤔 But if the EFL decide to deduct Wednesday and Derby, and then they go and appeal, what then? Delay proceedings till the end of the season? Charlton, Wigan and Barnsley will want it resolved as quickly as possibly. |
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Post by sealion100 on Jul 24, 2020 17:57:47 GMT
Thanks crouchie
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 18:05:34 GMT
Am working in Dublin that week...a TV match would be great
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 24, 2020 18:20:47 GMT
I really can't see how financially viable it is for league one clubs and below, they cant operate with only 30 to 50% of gate receipts. How many league 1 and 2 clubs fill their grounds? It's not 20/30% of gate receipts but of capacity which I would imagine doesn't knock a lot off some clubs' gates. |
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 24, 2020 18:33:02 GMT
Unless TV monies can be generated big time and shared out far more equitably, then I reckon our leagues will be devastated. Most teams below The Prem (except those receiving parachute payments) rely on attendances and associated income for their well-being. We could see a shed-full of clubs go out of business soon.
OS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2020 18:37:03 GMT
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-man-city-supporters-18654019According to a draft document from the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA), published in The Times, stadiums will be at a maximum of 33 percent full and could be at as low as 17 percent of capacity when fans return in October.
The document states: “It is emphasised that capacity assessments arrived at after optimising seat allocations will be permitted only if it can be shown that the entry, exit and emergency exit capacities and, where applicable, the concourse capacity, can support such numbers when social distancing is in place.”
While Peter Houghton, director of operations for the Football Safety Officers Association, told The Times : “Even Premier League clubs will not want capacities of 20 per cent or less for too long.
“Concourse capacities are going to be key to the amount of the stadium that can be used. Generally the older the stadiums the less space there is.”
The move is expected to come as a huge financial blow to clubs up and down the country with one senior football official telling the publication: “These guidelines are problematic and could well make football lose even more money.”
“It’s a massive issue for League One, League Two and National League clubs and I don’t know how many will be willing to implement it because of the costs involved.
“There’s the cost of signage, stewarding, temperature checks. Clubs will be asking if it is worth them opening.”
The report goes on to claim that clubs will be obliged to carry out risk assessments of their grounds and fans who apply for tickets will be required to carry out a personal risk assessment. It's all very well saying that stadiums can have a maximum of 33% capacity being used and that concourse capacities will be key but how does that work in reality? I could probably list 20 different issues off the top of my head but I'll just give the example of one. What happens at the end of the game? Do they seriously think that people are going to sit there, until it's the turn of their row before they can leave and that they'll keep to social distancing rules as they do so? What if you want to leave 5 minutes before the end? Are you going to be told to return to your seat until it's your turn to leave? Essentially what I'm saying, is that even at only 33% capacity, it is impossible for a football crowd to exit stadia in a socially distanced manner. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2020 19:05:14 GMT
33% doesn’t even cover all our season ticket holders, how the fuck do the club decide which fans can and can’t attend.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 24, 2020 19:12:06 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets we’ve sold so far?
The reason I ask is if it’s a third allowed in and that’s 10 thousand?then we might be already at that number so they’re the fans that’ll be allowed in week in week out.Round these parts Derby all of a sudden stopped selling tickets the other day(21st July) at a certain time and rumour has it they’d reached the the third capacity in their sales 11 thousand🤔.I wonder what the chances are of Stoke doing the same?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2020 19:25:57 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets we’ve sold so far? The reason I ask is if it’s a third allowed in and that’s 10 thousand?then we might be already at that number so they’re the fans that’ll be allowed in week in week out.Round these parts Derby all of a sudden stopped selling tickets the other day(21st July) at a certain time and rumour has it they’d reached the the third capacity in their sales 11 thousand🤔.I wonder what the chances are of Stoke doing the same? Got to think we're probably past the 10k mark? If so, which fans will miss out each week? Will there be a rota? Will there be streams available for ones who miss the cut? Will there be streams available for others who want to do it that way rather than go? I didn't get mine in the early bird because so much was up in the air. Now you're left wondering if I'm going to get in at all next season - and who is going to want to go? Certainly there'll be lots of older fans who won't bother. And what will the spectacle of 8-9000 fans be like, all evenly spaced around the stadium, with 3(?) seats between family groups? The atmosphere will be like a morgue. Does make you think if it's going to be worth it next year - but will season ticket seats be reserved for 21-22? It's a bit of a mess. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 24, 2020 19:30:11 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets we’ve sold so far? The reason I ask is if it’s a third allowed in and that’s 10 thousand?then we might be already at that number so they’re the fans that’ll be allowed in week in week out.Round these parts Derby all of a sudden stopped selling tickets the other day(21st July) at a certain time and rumour has it they’d reached the the third capacity in their sales 11 thousand🤔.I wonder what the chances are of Stoke doing the same? Got to think we're probably past the 10k mark? If so, which fans will miss out each week? Will there be a rota? Will there be streams available for ones who miss the cut? Will there be streams available for others who want to do it that way rather than go? I didn't get mine in the early bird because so much was up in the air. Now you're left wondering if I'm going to get in at all next season - and who is going to want to go? Certainly there'll be lots of older fans who won't bother. And what will the spectacle of 8-9000 fans be like, all evenly spaced around the stadium, with 3(?) seats between family groups? The atmosphere will be like a morgue. Does make you think if it's going to be worth it next year - but will season ticket seats be reserved for 21-22? It's a bit of a mess. I didn’t get mine either FM but have every intention of doing so as usual but like you say it does make you wonder what is ahead |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 19:39:20 GMT
I can't get my head around these news articles stating we'll never get rid of covid19 and we'll just have to learn to live with it.
If it really is with us forever, do we just accept that we'll never have packed stadiums or packed gigs and arenas ever again?
And social distance is here forver too?
What a miserable world that is.
At some point, surely you draw a line?
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jul 24, 2020 20:10:36 GMT
I can't get my head around these news articles stating we'll never get rid of covid19 and we'll just have to learn to live with it. If it really is with us forever, do we just accept that we'll never have packed stadiums or packed gigs and arenas ever again? And social distance is here forver too? What a miserable world that is. At some point, surely you draw a line? I agree, it's a fucking nonsense. It won't go on forever, it will gradually reduce transmission just like all viruses do. We will develop treatments etc that mean it isn't such a risk. As you say, there has to come a point, when transmission is low enough, where social distancing etc is scrapped, and we can all get back to normal. Businesses can't go on like this forever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 20:14:04 GMT
This is the single reason Michael O'Neill deserves the key to the city. Had we gone down this season it would have been an unmitigated disaster with everything taken into account. If there was one season to not get relegated it was this one.
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Post by onepara on Jul 24, 2020 20:42:00 GMT
I can't get my head around these news articles stating we'll never get rid of covid19 and we'll just have to learn to live with it. If it really is with us forever, do we just accept that we'll never have packed stadiums or packed gigs and arenas ever again? And social distance is here forver too? What a miserable world that is. At some point, surely you draw a line? I agree, it's a fucking nonsense. It won't go on forever, it will gradually reduce transmission just like all viruses do. We will develop treatments etc that mean it isn't such a risk. As you say, there has to come a point, when transmission is low enough, where social distancing etc is scrapped, and we can all get back to normal. Businesses can't go on like this forever. We never get rid of seasonal flu though, do we? We'll get a Covid jab & then get on with it. Same as having a flu jab. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 24, 2020 21:11:45 GMT
33% doesn’t even cover all our season ticket holders, how the fuck do the club decide which fans can and can’t attend. Rock Paper Scissors 🤣 |
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 24, 2020 21:31:35 GMT
Cant players accept a reduced income, the furlough thing is 80% for doing nowt.
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