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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 24, 2020 21:36:03 GMT
I'll be booking the spring bank holiday off tomorrow. Go on Stoke.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 24, 2020 21:45:40 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets we’ve sold so far? The reason I ask is if it’s a third allowed in and that’s 10 thousand?then we might be already at that number so they’re the fans that’ll be allowed in week in week out.Round these parts Derby all of a sudden stopped selling tickets the other day(21st July) at a certain time and rumour has it they’d reached the the third capacity in their sales 11 thousand🤔.I wonder what the chances are of Stoke doing the same? Got to think we're probably past the 10k mark? If so, which fans will miss out each week? Will there be a rota? Will there be streams available for ones who miss the cut? Will there be streams available for others who want to do it that way rather than go? I didn't get mine in the early bird because so much was up in the air. Now you're left wondering if I'm going to get in at all next season - and who is going to want to go? Certainly there'll be lots of older fans who won't bother. And what will the spectacle of 8-9000 fans be like, all evenly spaced around the stadium, with 3(?) seats between family groups? The atmosphere will be like a morgue. Does make you think if it's going to be worth it next year - but will season ticket seats be reserved for 21-22? It's a bit of a mess. The way I read it is we are still in the early bird sales cycle. The club chose to suspend sales (sensibly) mainly because the club ticket office had to close because of lockdown. They promised they would reopen at a date to be confirmed. So no one who bought a ticket already has any preferential treatment over those still yet to renew because the early bird is still to be completed. Until the early bird is reintroduced and the cycle completed no decision can be made about attendance preference. Given the club doesn't even know how many home matches the average ST holder might attend they can't realistically sell a product because they don't know what they are selling. No one is going to attend at least the first few matches so anyone that has already paid is due a refund anyway. Finally how will they choose to price or sell online matches to season ticket holders or prospective ST holders who currently still have a reserved seat under early bird rules? I suspect they will have to offer a reduced price ST for early bird with free streaming included and refund the difference to anyone who has already paid.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 25, 2020 7:00:37 GMT
Whatever the current plans may be, in reality I stand by what I've always said....no fans will be at games for the entirety of this calendar year, and quite likely the entirety of the forthcoming season.
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Post by ed5993 on Jul 25, 2020 7:18:04 GMT
So... the season starts 6 weeks late, but the end date will still be the same as previous campaigns.
The whole process appears a bit short sighted. By finishing the season just gone, it's created this extra strain for next season. Fixture congestion which was already a problem will be multiplied - there will be something like 8 additional weeks this season with 3 games in 7 days. Whole process is entirely driven by TV money.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2020 8:25:22 GMT
I agree, it's a fucking nonsense. It won't go on forever, it will gradually reduce transmission just like all viruses do. We will develop treatments etc that mean it isn't such a risk. As you say, there has to come a point, when transmission is low enough, where social distancing etc is scrapped, and we can all get back to normal. Businesses can't go on like this forever. We never get rid of seasonal flu though, do we? We'll get a Covid jab & then get on with it. Same as having a flu jab. No, we never get rid of seasonal flu - but we do have a reasonably effective vaccine for seasonal flu - even though that vaccine has to be redesigned every year to account for mutations in the flu virus. But (as has been mentioned many times in the past few months) there is no guarantee that we will get a workable vaccine for Covid19. As sometimes happens with other diseases, we may simply not be able to develop a vaccine which works and which is safe. Secondly, even if a workable vaccine is developed, immunity may not last long enough for an annual jab to be effective. Of course we all hope that a decent vaccine (or vaccines) will develop but it really isn't guaranteed and we COULD be left with a virus which (like the common cold) is ALWAYS going to be with us with no vaccine available. The common cold isn't fatal except in a tiny minority of cases. Sadly Covid19 whilst not the most lethal of viruses, has a much higher death rate (and a higher number of serious complications) than the common cold. Fingers crossed that a workable vaccine is produced within a few months. Also, an effective drug to cure it would be great. PS - I'm normally a believer in freedom of choice, but if a safe vaccine is developed I do hope that the government makes it compulsory and has no truck with the antivaxer conspiracy theorists. Vaccines work better for us all, the closer the take up is to 100%.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 25, 2020 8:34:31 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money
We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying).
Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine.
Money makes the world go round, sadly
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2020 8:54:00 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying). Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine. Money makes the world go round, sadly Here is a list of the ten most significant viral diseases with no workable vaccine. You would have thought that, if money was the answer, that all or at least some of these would have a vaccine by now. linkSome of these are pretty obscure diseases but HIV/Aids and Malaria are certainly neither obscure nor economically unimportant.
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Post by mickey2693 on Jul 25, 2020 9:16:09 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying). Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine. Money makes the world go round, sadly Here is a list of the ten most significant viral diseases with no workable vaccine. You would have thought that, if money was the answer, that all or at least some of these would have a vaccine by now. linkSome of these are pretty obscure diseases but HIV/Aids and Malaria are certainly neither obscure nor economically unimportant. I'd bet that if any of those diseases were as harmful to the economies of developed nations as Covid-19 has been significantly more resources would be allocated in order to find a vaccine for them.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 25, 2020 12:12:46 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying). Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine. Money makes the world go round, sadly Here is a list of the ten most significant viral diseases with no workable vaccine. You would have thought that, if money was the answer, that all or at least some of these would have a vaccine by now. linkSome of these are pretty obscure diseases but HIV/Aids and Malaria are certainly neither obscure nor economically unimportant. You’re forgetting the money made from ‘remedies‘ for colds, flu etc, it’s worth billions - cough sweets, pain killers, sore throat tablets etc. More money made from ‘helpful’ solutions rather than a making a cure . We spend over £300 million in the UK alone on cold remedies.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 25, 2020 13:12:47 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying). Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine. Money makes the world go round, sadly I hope you are correct about a vaccine being found but money being thrown at it guarantees nothing, no vaccine has produced for Sars despite all the big pharmaceutical companies being on the case for nearly 20 years.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 13:17:19 GMT
Here is a list of the ten most significant viral diseases with no workable vaccine. You would have thought that, if money was the answer, that all or at least some of these would have a vaccine by now. linkSome of these are pretty obscure diseases but HIV/Aids and Malaria are certainly neither obscure nor economically unimportant. I'd bet that if any of those diseases were as harmful to the economies of developed nations as Covid-19 has been significantly more resources would be allocated in order to find a vaccine for them. Of course That doesn't mean a vaccine would have been developed
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Post by nickhfc on Jul 25, 2020 13:28:37 GMT
One reason why I believe a vaccine will be found: Money We’ll have a vaccine, to cover approx 12 months (to ensure it’s the golden goose that keeps laying). Governments and big businesses stand to make billions globally off a potential covid 19 vaccine. Money makes the world go round, sadly Here is a list of the ten most significant viral diseases with no workable vaccine. You would have thought that, if money was the answer, that all or at least some of these would have a vaccine by now. linkSome of these are pretty obscure diseases but HIV/Aids and Malaria are certainly neither obscure nor economically unimportant. They are not all viral, eg Malaria, which is a parasite with a complex life cycle.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 25, 2020 13:39:56 GMT
They should just fuck it off till fans are allowed in
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 25, 2020 13:45:25 GMT
Whatever the current plans may be, in reality I stand by what I've always said....no fans will be at games for the entirety of this calendar year, and quite likely the entirety of the forthcoming season. Fans will be back. They're back in France already. Fans will be allowed into The Crucible for the World Snooker Championship, which given The Crucible's small size, the government have oddly chosen as a test event for the return of live audiences.
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Post by Gods on Jul 25, 2020 14:28:48 GMT
We never get rid of seasonal flu though, do we? We'll get a Covid jab & then get on with it. Same as having a flu jab. No, we never get rid of seasonal flu - but we do have a reasonably effective vaccine for seasonal flu - even though that vaccine has to be redesigned every year to account for mutations in the flu virus. But (as has been mentioned many times in the past few months) there is no guarantee that we will get a workable vaccine for Covid19. As sometimes happens with other diseases, we may simply not be able to develop a vaccine which works and which is safe. Secondly, even if a workable vaccine is developed, immunity may not last long enough for an annual jab to be effective. Of course we all hope that a decent vaccine (or vaccines) will develop but it really isn't guaranteed and we COULD be left with a virus which (like the common cold) is ALWAYS going to be with us with no vaccine available. The common cold isn't fatal except in a tiny minority of cases. Sadly Covid19 whilst not the most lethal of viruses, has a much higher death rate (and a higher number of serious complications) than the common cold. Fingers crossed that a workable vaccine is produced within a few months. Also, an effective drug to cure it would be great. PS - I'm normally a believer in freedom of choice, but if a safe vaccine is developed I do hope that the government makes it compulsory and has no truck with the antivaxer conspiracy theorists. Vaccines work better for us all, the closer the take up is to 100%. When did we start vaccinating for regular flu, it's quite a recent thing right? I think I heard on the breakfast news today that 10 million people in the UK eligible for the flu vaccine just don't bother with it anyway. As for a covid vaccine, as you say it's really not guaranteed. Having said that there are lots of excellent diseases out there for which we have no vaccine and we just live with them. Maybe that is where this is headed together with some developed community immunity. I really can't see folks twatting about in face masks for the next 12 months, its no life at all. I'm starting to go all Donald Trump on this one, the jokes over if it ever began, we need to get on with stuff now, it's raining and some people are going to get wet!!
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Post by Scouse on Jul 25, 2020 16:06:35 GMT
Ever one for being pedantic and for clarity
28/2 club announced early bird window would open 6/3 and close 6/4 ..that’s what happened
However on 2/4 club confirmed closing of window on 6/4 ..but due to financial uncertainty, there’d be a ‘2nd’ sale stage
Article wording below
First Early Bird sales period closes on Monday The Early Bird window will reopen at a later date Current Season Card holders can claim their seat in second sales period at the current Early Bird price Stoke City 2020/21 Season Cards will remain on sale at Early Bird prices until midnight on Monday (April 6).
Fans are reminded that, due to financial uncertainty for many supporters during this difficult time, the Early Bird period will re-open at a later date.
The date of the second Early Bird sales period will be announced in due course.
Current Season Card holders who wish to renew in the second sales period will still be able to keep their seat.
Supporters who have committed to pay for 2020/21 Season Cards by direct debit who wish to stop payments should contact
Obviously no mention at the time of any priorities etc , as things were dealing with the now not the future
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2020 16:18:54 GMT
No, we never get rid of seasonal flu - but we do have a reasonably effective vaccine for seasonal flu - even though that vaccine has to be redesigned every year to account for mutations in the flu virus. But (as has been mentioned many times in the past few months) there is no guarantee that we will get a workable vaccine for Covid19. As sometimes happens with other diseases, we may simply not be able to develop a vaccine which works and which is safe. Secondly, even if a workable vaccine is developed, immunity may not last long enough for an annual jab to be effective. Of course we all hope that a decent vaccine (or vaccines) will develop but it really isn't guaranteed and we COULD be left with a virus which (like the common cold) is ALWAYS going to be with us with no vaccine available. The common cold isn't fatal except in a tiny minority of cases. Sadly Covid19 whilst not the most lethal of viruses, has a much higher death rate (and a higher number of serious complications) than the common cold. Fingers crossed that a workable vaccine is produced within a few months. Also, an effective drug to cure it would be great. PS - I'm normally a believer in freedom of choice, but if a safe vaccine is developed I do hope that the government makes it compulsory and has no truck with the antivaxer conspiracy theorists. Vaccines work better for us all, the closer the take up is to 100%. When did we start vaccinating for regular flu, it's quite a recent thing right?
I think I heard on the breakfast news today that 10 million people in the UK eligible for the flu vaccine just don't bother with it anyway. As for a covid vaccine, as you say it's really not guaranteed. Having said that there are lots of excellent diseases out there for which we have no vaccine and we just live with them. Maybe that is where this is headed together with some developed community immunity. I really can't see folks twatting about in face masks for the next 12 months, its no life at all. I'm starting to go all Donald Trump on this one, the jokes over if it ever began, we need to get on with stuff now, it's raining and some people are going to get wet!! I've been vaccinated annually since I turned 65 and that was 9 years ago. But I remember my father (who was 30 years older than me) also being vaccinated annually when he was in his 60s - so it isn't particularly a recent thing. I expect the numbers who qualify for the offer will have expanded over the years - and, of course, there will be a significant expansion this autumn. Incidentally, it does seem to work. I had flu a couple of times in my early 60s and have had nothing remotely like it in the 9 years I have been vaccinated - apart from a year or so back when they seem to have given us an ineffective vaccine.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2020 16:32:25 GMT
So... the season starts 6 weeks late, but the end date will still be the same as previous campaigns. The whole process appears a bit short sighted. By finishing the season just gone, it's created this extra strain for next season. Fixture congestion which was already a problem will be multiplied - there will be something like 8 additional weeks this season with 3 games in 7 days. Whole process is entirely driven by TV money. I always think the season doesn't need to be as long as it is. Take away all those pointless international friendlies and suddenly the season is already 5 weeks shorter.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 16:35:08 GMT
So... the season starts 6 weeks late, but the end date will still be the same as previous campaigns. The whole process appears a bit short sighted. By finishing the season just gone, it's created this extra strain for next season. Fixture congestion which was already a problem will be multiplied - there will be something like 8 additional weeks this season with 3 games in 7 days. Whole process is entirely driven by TV money. I always think the season doesn't need to be as long as it is. Take away all those pointless international friendlies and suddenly the season is already 5 weeks shorter. How many international friendlies be are there now? Is it 2 during the season? Already cut those down
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2020 16:37:23 GMT
I always think the season doesn't need to be as long as it is. Take away all those pointless international friendlies and suddenly the season is already 5 weeks shorter. How many international friendlies be are there now? Is it 2 during the season? Already cut those down no idea, they have become so tedious i don't even keep up with them or know when they are. the only thing i do know, is that when they do happen, there's always a 2 week break in the schedule, and it winds me up.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2020 16:44:47 GMT
So... the season starts 6 weeks late, but the end date will still be the same as previous campaigns. The whole process appears a bit short sighted. By finishing the season just gone, it's created this extra strain for next season. Fixture congestion which was already a problem will be multiplied - there will be something like 8 additional weeks this season with 3 games in 7 days. Whole process is entirely driven by TV money. Firstly, the season isn't starting 6 weeks later than normal - it is 5. Second the season now starts immediately after an International break so that is a two week period when there would have been no league games anyway. Obviously there are fewer weeks to fit in games than a normal season but not that many weeks fewer and many players will have had less wear and tear on their bodies during lock down than during a normal season.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 16:45:46 GMT
How many international friendlies be are there now? Is it 2 during the season? Already cut those down no idea, they have become so tedious i don't even keep up with them or know when they are. the only thing i do know, is that when they do happen, there's always a 2 week break in the schedule, and it winds me up. I think your thinking of the qualifiers Can't remember the last friendly during the season, could be a couple if seasons ago now
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 25, 2020 16:49:59 GMT
no idea, they have become so tedious i don't even keep up with them or know when they are. the only thing i do know, is that when they do happen, there's always a 2 week break in the schedule, and it winds me up. I think your thinking of the qualifiers Can't remember the last friendly during the season, could be a couple if seasons ago now possibly. but in feb/march it does seem to all slow down and get annoying
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Post by Gods on Jul 25, 2020 19:46:00 GMT
Wonder if they might ditch the League Cup to ease the schedule?
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Post by walton corner on Jul 26, 2020 5:17:36 GMT
I think the euros 21 will be cancelled ...
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Post by Northy on Jul 26, 2020 6:01:20 GMT
Wonder if they might ditch the League Cup to ease the schedule? Ditch it for the premier League, they aren't in the League I read somewhere a while ago that teams below the conference North and South may not be taking part, the FA cup extra preliminary round normally starts mid August
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 26, 2020 7:12:41 GMT
Wonder if they might ditch the League Cup to ease the schedule? Ditch it for the premier League, they aren't in the League I read somewhere a while ago that teams below the conference North and South may not be taking part, the FA cup extra preliminary round normally starts mid August That's wrong mate, the FA Cup is as normal and is already over subscribed with applications from teams up and down the country. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53537535
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Post by jeycov on Jul 26, 2020 7:29:31 GMT
Does anybody know how many season tickets we’ve sold so far? The reason I ask is if it’s a third allowed in and that’s 10 thousand?then we might be already at that number so they’re the fans that’ll be allowed in week in week out.Round these parts Derby all of a sudden stopped selling tickets the other day(21st July) at a certain time and rumour has it they’d reached the the third capacity in their sales 11 thousand🤔.I wonder what the chances are of Stoke doing the same? Got to think we're probably past the 10k mark? If so, which fans will miss out each week? Will there be a rota? Will there be streams available for ones who miss the cut? Will there be streams available for others who want to do it that way rather than go? I didn't get mine in the early bird because so much was up in the air. Now you're left wondering if I'm going to get in at all next season - and who is going to want to go? Certainly there'll be lots of older fans who won't bother. And what will the spectacle of 8-9000 fans be like, all evenly spaced around the stadium, with 3(?) seats between family groups? The atmosphere will be like a morgue. Does make you think if it's going to be worth it next year - but will season ticket seats be reserved for 21-22? It's a bit of a mess. Streaming has to be an option ideally for all clubs albeit much reduced income for the clubs A season ticket style pass Different options Just home games Both home and away games “Select on the day”. -would allow you to watch any game The club have its own tv channel A bit like the swift change the quarantine restrictions for all returning from Spain today, this may affect any spectator sport
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 26, 2020 7:44:15 GMT
I can't get my head around these news articles stating we'll never get rid of covid19 and we'll just have to learn to live with it. If it really is with us forever, do we just accept that we'll never have packed stadiums or packed gigs and arenas ever again? And social distance is here forver too? What a miserable world that is. At some point, surely you draw a line? So called “Spanish flu” in 1919 was far more deadly In terms of mortality around the world and receded after a couple of years, spiking now and again during that period as we are seeing now. Football grounds back in the day and working conditions generally were far more intensively “packed” - ie normality returned without a vaccine or social measures. My view is that we have two choices - find a vaccine and it becomes like the “regular” flu (which is pretty damn nasty if you get it and can kill the old and weak just as readily as COVID) and / or we accept the “herd” - which is effectively Mother Nature at work. They should just make masks compulsory and open the gates - extended half time breaks to control the bogs and catering (or perhaps forget the latter and embrace a bring your own for a few months,,,!,,”...
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 26, 2020 16:22:59 GMT
Sell season tickets and allocate tickets to allow for reduced capacity, say you can hypothetically attend 1 game in 4, then streamed games for the other games.
Keep some tickets for for non ST holders.
No away fans to maximise capacity for home fans.
All this until crowds can increase. Then pay difference on ST in addition to streaming if things get back to no social distancing measures.
Just an idea like.
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