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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 8:52:36 GMT
Or your sheer ignorance more like Suck it up What ignorance? He’s been shite. And there was literally only one player who deserved to win it.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 6, 2020 8:54:49 GMT
It’s not irrelevant at all. They are paid servants of our club, highly paid “entertainers” it’s their job. If they don’t like other people’s opinions they are definitely in the wrong trade. It can’t be nice being abused, no shit? But when you are playing shit or not trying and being paid more in a week than most fans earn in a year, expect some grief, meh! Have some dignity, bite your lip and go home in your Ferrari to your mansion and you page 3 wannabe after. Sure as as shit they won’t be the first person in the world to get a bit of abuse and they won’t be the last, but they at least get paid a kings ransom for it! The bloke can't win, he gets dogs abuse for years, sometimes gives banter back (cupping ears, shushing etc) and gets lambasted for it. However this is the issue we have as a society when it comes to "giving a bit of abuse." Banter and camaraderie yes (to an extent), abuse has NO place anywhere. Having an "acceptable level of abuse" due to their pay packets is the exact reason why we are yet to see a footballer come out and the exact reason we have a mental health problem within the game. No-one, no matter how big their pay packet should be expected to accept abuse and "bite your lip and tough it out." It's this kind of attitude and approach that has led to the mental health complications many men face today as they are expected to tough it out and not speak up. Abuse is NEVER okay. Absolutely. People who don't know the difference between abuse and banter need to seek some help or advice tbh. There is is a reason why there are 2 different words, and an adult should know where the boundaries are and its consequences.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 6, 2020 8:57:30 GMT
It really baffles me when people say he's had a 'brilliant' season. Him and the rest haven't been brilliant at all. That's why we were fighting for our lives not to get relegated. Not a very good footballer, bang average at best. But his work rate has stood out from a squad that has massively underperformed this season. Who are these people you are quoting who said he was 'brilliant' ? Can you show us and post a link as you've quoted them ? He was our our best player and many have simply pointed that out. Scroll through this thread and you'll see a few.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:00:31 GMT
They looked better in parts but against Brizzle in that first half they were horrible and against Forest we should have been 2 down. The defence is the one area that look as bad as ever. Davies was ok but this hailing him as the saviour is amusing. No-one is hailing him as the saviour, what they are doing with him and the others you despise so are incapable of praising is giving credit where it is due. Davies makes the whole defence look so much more at ease than they did with Butland, he's not the messiah but he's improved the team overall. Smith got more assists than Knockaert, Helder Costa, Hoilett and your choice for Player of the Year. You do it all the time, back yourself into a corner without the grace or humility to admit you are just wrong. Yes they are. I always give credit where it's due. I have done with Davies! I've been more balanced about him since he came in the side than most who are gushing over him. The defence still looked fucking awful. Davies looked ok and made the save of the season against Brizzle but the defence still looked awful, it's just people seeing what they want to see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 9:00:57 GMT
Who are these people you are quoting who said he was 'brilliant' ? Can you show us and post a link as you've quoted them ? He was our our best player and many have simply pointed that out. Scroll through this thread and you'll see a few. I have. Not a single person has said he's been 'brilliant' .
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 6, 2020 9:03:26 GMT
Who are these people you are quoting who said he was 'brilliant' ? Can you show us and post a link as you've quoted them ? He was our our best player and many have simply pointed that out. Scroll through this thread and you'll see a few. I think it's more or less universally agreed that his commitment levels have been brilliant. They never dropped at any point. On top of that he was contributed well to the team with useful goals and assists in a season where he was played out of position for several games. Worthy winner on that basis imho. Of course it is all relative, but how could it ever be otherwise?
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 6, 2020 9:04:47 GMT
Scroll through this thread and you'll see a few. I have. Not a single person has said he's been 'brilliant' . Keep looking.
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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 6, 2020 9:17:15 GMT
No-one is hailing him as the saviour, what they are doing with him and the others you despise so are incapable of praising is giving credit where it is due. Davies makes the whole defence look so much more at ease than they did with Butland, he's not the messiah but he's improved the team overall. Smith got more assists than Knockaert, Helder Costa, Hoilett and your choice for Player of the Year. You do it all the time, back yourself into a corner without the grace or humility to admit you are just wrong. Yes they are. I always give credit where it's due. I have done with Davies! I've been more balanced about him since he came in the side than most who are gushing over him. The defence still looked fucking awful. Davies looked ok and made the save of the season against Brizzle but the defence still looked awful, it's just people seeing what they want to see. The irony
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 6, 2020 9:20:08 GMT
I think your point is flawed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:25:16 GMT
Yes they are. I always give credit where it's due. I have done with Davies! I've been more balanced about him since he came in the side than most who are gushing over him. The defence still looked fucking awful. Davies looked ok and made the save of the season against Brizzle but the defence still looked awful, it's just people seeing what they want to see. The irony No irony at all. The irony is the same fans doing the same thing as they've done before that have allowed terrible things to happen to the club they love. It's so sad to see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:26:25 GMT
I think your point is flawed. It definitely isn't. The lack of football knowledge is astounding. The love of hard work is fucking weird. It's horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 9:28:00 GMT
Scroll through this thread and you'll see a few. I think it's more or less universally agreed that his commitment levels have been brilliant. They never dropped at any point. On top of that he was contributed well to the team with useful goals and assists in a season where he was played out of position for several games. Worthy winner on that basis imho. Of course it is all relative, but how could it ever be otherwise? Absolutely Not a single person has said he's been brilliant of course but been praised for his hard work and contributions which have been many. He's averaged a goal or assist pretty much every other game. Not bad in my book and half of those who voted agreed.
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Post by neddy on Aug 6, 2020 9:31:52 GMT
I voted for Clucas re his goals and virtually ever present stats. Think he just has that bit more quality but can’t fault James for effort....just wish he’d look up a bit more sometimes when he gets in good positions to cross.
It’s difficult when we’ve seen Arnie in that spot to be totally objective. Spoilt a bit!
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Post by greenstokie on Aug 6, 2020 15:50:45 GMT
Fully deserved. Of course he's got limited ability, but if some players with twice his ability could've put in similar shifts, we'd have had no problems this season. His commitment to the cause raised others games around him.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2020 16:09:18 GMT
What's even more embarrassing is that only 6,000 'fans' could be bothered to vote in the poll. Hardly 'red and white' DNA? I'm amazed 6000 fans could be arsed vote. The most expensivly assembled squad in the division with the highest wage bill to boost. And we spent 90% of the season in the relegation zone. Jones lost the plot and the transfer team have a lot to answer for but for many parts of the season the players were a joke and treated the club and fans with contempt. Allen and McLean ear cupping cus they didnt like a bit truth from the support when the most expensive squad in the league were rock bottom showed them up. Michael O Neil deserves all the praise for getting enough performances out of these lot that saved us. The fact he has been voted player of the season sums us up, very little quality he wouldn't get in any of the top 6 teams of the division starting line up Maybe not 6th but we have been the 8th best team since MON arrived and the =3rd highest scoring side, with McClean making a significant contribution to those goals. He has 7 assists as well as 7 goals, but significantly he doesn't just contribute to scoring, he has taken 10 yellow cards for the season, showing his commitment.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 6, 2020 18:50:37 GMT
I think your point is flawed. It definitely isn't. The lack of football knowledge is astounding. The love of hard work is fucking weird. It's horrible. And there is the flaw, you think you're right and the be all and end all of what is and isn't good "football knowlege" and as has already been pointed out, there's nothing wrong with a player that works hard, the best in the world work hard or they wouldn't be just that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 18:52:50 GMT
It definitely isn't. The lack of football knowledge is astounding. The love of hard work is fucking weird. It's horrible. And there is the flaw, you think you're right and the be all and end all of what is and isn't good "football knowlege" and as has already been pointed out, there's nothing wrong with a player that works hard, the best in the world work hard or they wouldn't be just that. Yes but just working hard isn't acceptable.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 6, 2020 19:28:30 GMT
I'm amazed 6000 fans could be arsed vote. The most expensivly assembled squad in the division with the highest wage bill to boost. And we spent 90% of the season in the relegation zone. Jones lost the plot and the transfer team have a lot to answer for but for many parts of the season the players were a joke and treated the club and fans with contempt. Allen and McLean ear cupping cus they didnt like a bit truth from the support when the most expensive squad in the league were rock bottom showed them up. Michael O Neil deserves all the praise for getting enough performances out of these lot that saved us. The fact he has been voted player of the season sums us up, very little quality he wouldn't get in any of the top 6 teams of the division starting line up Maybe not 6th but we have been the 8th best team since MON arrived and the =3rd highest scoring side, with McClean making a significant contribution to those goals. He has 7 assists as well as 7 goals, but significantly he doesn't just contribute to scoring, he has taken 10 yellow cards for the season, showing his commitment. It's well-known that Bayern doesn't understand the bit about scoring goals.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 7, 2020 6:55:47 GMT
Well done James.
Thoroughly deserved. Players like him are the type who will propel us to better times. There may be players who have more talent but James will run through walls for us and for clubs like us that makes all the difference. That is what got us up last time, it’s not as if we assembled a squad of known premier league quality at the time. Of course some talent is still needed and he does have that in spades actually.
He’s done what he’s done despite much of the rest of the team being poor. Just think what he could do with a better team around him.
Without his performances we’d have been down.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 7, 2020 8:30:47 GMT
Well done James. Thoroughly deserved. Players like him are the type who will propel us to better times. There may be players who have more talent but James will run through walls for us and for clubs like us that makes all the difference. That is what got us up last time, it’s not as if we assembled a squad of known premier league quality at the time. Of course some talent is still needed and he does have that in spades actually. He’s done what he’s done despite much of the rest of the team being poor. Just think what he could do with a better team around him. Without his performances we’d have been down. Well said. Your remark reminds me of one of those documentaries on England winning the World Cup in 66. One of the players, I can't remember which, said words to the effect: "I knew we could win the WC. When you sat in the dressing room you looked around and saw some players who had world class talent, but we also had players who could run through brick walls and you would want on your side when the going got tough."Successful teams are built on a mix of talents and abilities and character, whether it be pure technical skill, speed, know-how, endurance/stamina, "hardness/toughness", battlers, "water-carriers", players who can lift your spirits, those that can bring you down to earth, introverts/extroverts, jokers/worriers, etc.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 7, 2020 13:55:37 GMT
And there is the flaw, you think you're right and the be all and end all of what is and isn't good "football knowlege" and as has already been pointed out, there's nothing wrong with a player that works hard, the best in the world work hard or they wouldn't be just that. Yes but just working hard isn't acceptable. In the end it is no more than an opinion. Yours and mine are equally valid (or invalid). However, the point, surely, is not that "just working hard isn't acceptable". It's that "failing to work hard is unacceptable". Working hard is almost without exception necessary. It may be insufficient, but it's necessary. And not just in football. Ideally, a team has both talent and graft. The Spanish team that won 2 (or was it 3) trophies had unbelievable skill, but I have never seen a team work so hard when out of possession. Most people will forgive lack of talent. They will almost never forgive lack of effort. Irrespective of whether or not they are any good, too many of our players just didn't seem to put a shift in, far too often. McLean was a shining exception. He attempted to make up (in part) for his lack of ability with sweat. Good on him.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Aug 7, 2020 14:56:28 GMT
Yes but just working hard isn't acceptable. In the end it is no more than an opinion. Yours and mine are equally valid (or invalid). However, the point, surely, is not that "just working hard isn't acceptable". It's that "failing to work hard is unacceptable". Working hard is almost without exception necessary. It may be insufficient, but it's necessary. And not just in football. Ideally, a team has both talent and graft. The Spanish team that won 2 (or was it 3) trophies had unbelievable skill, but I have never seen a team work so hard when out of possession. Most people will forgive lack of talent. They will almost never forgive lack of effort. Irrespective of whether or not they are any good, too many of our players just didn't seem to put a shift in, far too often. McLean was a shining exception. He attempted to make up (in part) for his lack of ability with sweat. Good on him. Nail on the head Max. I think it was Jimmy Sirrel who once said, when referring to Chico Hamilton, something along the lines "aye, he can play a bit, but I woudna' want him next to me in the trenches."
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 11:48:25 GMT
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