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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 6:17:15 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2020 6:17:15 GMT
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 6:25:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 6:25:49 GMT
Are the local press not even allowed in??
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 6:30:29 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2020 6:30:29 GMT
Are the local press not even allowed in?? Presumably we (and/or Leeds) were fielding an experimental side (due to absences on Intl duty?) and didn't want too many details reported. Having said that, the decision to broadcast highlights seems to make a mockery of that decision.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 7:35:04 GMT
Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2020 7:35:04 GMT
After much ridicule and years in the chiller, I have a sneaking suspicion that we might see a lot more of JT.
And, if we do, fair play to the lad.
We know enough already to be sure JMcC can't play WB, but know far less about whether MF can.
Above all, I hope MoN doesn't waste a season finding out as JT seems to be in form and ready go from the off.
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 2, 2020 7:37:20 GMT
could be like a new signing for us game time is what he and Tasham Oakley Booth both need. i would not loan either of them out, get them in the first team squad both very young players, both could be good for us this season.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 7:38:59 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2020 7:38:59 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though?
Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3
Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins?
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 7:53:05 GMT
Post by lancashirelad on Sept 2, 2020 7:53:05 GMT
As with any player the secret is to produce good performances for the team consistently to break into the team long term. Josh will probably have cameo roles at first and hopefully win a regular starting place as he has some pace and vision and hopefully improving other parts of his game.
Though pre season every year certain players have a couple of good games but come the real test in the league can struggle and get ripped on the oatcake and written off for another year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 7:55:29 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though? Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3 Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins? He doesn't need to be a guaranteed starter, does he? If he can add something as a squad player, then that's more than most expected up until very recently, so that's a bonus in itself. He was a non entity up until a few weeks ago. Hes impressed and looks like he will bring something to the table. We will need options.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2020 8:19:09 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though? Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3 Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins? Take the point but you'd have to hope that it's more organic and MoN is more open minded than that.
If he's playing well and fits in wherever, give him the chance to stake his claim and, if his performances continue, cement it.
Within the rubic's cube if options we seem to have created - and down the left specifically - I wouldn't mind seeing Fox as the left 'CB' of a three and Tymon @ LWB. Certainly in a friendly to try.
Player of the season and hitherto MoN favourite or not, I just don't see enough quality, enough of the time in JMcC to give him a no questions asked starting spot.
Shove him on as a sub with all the to shake it it up if needed for 30 mins by all means.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 8:36:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 8:36:08 GMT
After much ridicule and years in the chiller, I have a sneaking suspicion that we might see a lot more of JT.
And, if we do, fair play to the lad.
We know enough already to be sure JMcC can't play WB, but know far less about whether MF can.
Above all, I hope MoN doesn't waste a season finding out as JT seems to be in form and ready go from the off.
The main reason that Josh is in great form is because O'Neill unlike all his previous managers at Stoke has shown him faith and willingness to test him in other poisitions than the one he can't play, or at least not yet. The other reason is that the player we're seeing now was always there and the Academy coaches knew it but the previous managers were hellbent on keeping him as a lb because there was no other choice. So O'Neill won't "waste a season finding out" because he already knows. The question is how soon he will unleash Josh. He's played all four pre season games, but is O'Neill prepared to drop McClean or Clucas to start him. That seems unlikely yet, bujt if McClean doesn't do better than he did at Blackpool or if he or Sam loses form or are injured or suspended, then it's now comforting to know that we have a quality replacement. In the longer term, perhaps already next season, I could see Josh replacing McClean for good. The Irishman is not getting any younger, and it's an open question if his legendary style isn't going to cost his body at some point.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 2, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
After much ridicule and years in the chiller, I have a sneaking suspicion that we might see a lot more of JT.
And, if we do, fair play to the lad.
We know enough already to be sure JMcC can't play WB, but know far less about whether MF can.
Above all, I hope MoN doesn't waste a season finding out as JT seems to be in form and ready go from the off.
The main reason that Josh is in great form is because O'Neill unlike all his previous managers at Stoke has shown him faith and willingness to test him in other poisitions than the one he can't play, or at least not yet. The other reason is that the player we're seeing now was always there and the Academy coaches knew it but the previous managers were hellbent on keeping him as a lb because there was no other choice. So O'Neill won't "waste a season finding out" because he already knows. The question is how soon he will unleash Josh. He's played all four pre season games, but is O'Neill prepared to drop McClean or Clucas to start him. That seems unlikely yet, bujt if McClean doesn't do better than he did at Blackpool or if he or Sam loses form or are injured or suspended, then it's now comforting to know that we have a quality replacement. In the longer term, perhaps already next season, I could see Josh replacing McClean for good. The Irishman is not getting any younger, and it's an open question if his legendary style isn't going to cost his body at some point. A quality replacement? Please tell me we aint basing that off a few pre season games??? Albeit he has been good so far
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 9:08:24 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 2, 2020 9:08:24 GMT
As long as he's better than Thompson, it's a good starting point.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2020 9:27:03 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though? Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3 Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins? Take the point but you'd have to hope that it's more organic and MoN is more open minded than that.
If he's playing well and fits in wherever, give him the chance to stake his claim and, if his performances continue, cement it.
Within the rubic's cube if options we seem to have created - and down the left specifically - I wouldn't mind seeing Fox as the left 'CB' of a three and Tymon @ LWB. Certainly in a friendly to try.
Player of the season and hitherto MoN favourite or not, I just don't see enough quality, enough of the time in JMcC to give him a no questions asked starting spot.
Shove him on as a sub with all the to shake it it up if needed for 30 mins by all means.
I agree. I doubt MON does "favourites".
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2020 10:14:22 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though? Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3 Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins? Well I'm up for seeing Tymon tried ahead of Thompson in any formation.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 2, 2020 10:16:38 GMT
As long as he's better than Thompson, it's a good starting point. Hi Jimmy, I have played with lads on a Sunday morning better than Thompson to be honest
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 11:00:02 GMT
Post by etebojan on Sept 2, 2020 11:00:02 GMT
Reckon Tymon will be perfect cover for Clucas in a left mid role, as well as utility impact sub anywhere on the left. If anyone noticed his absolute blistering run down the middle during the build up to the second goal yesterday will realise we DO have some serious pace in this squad when Tymon is playing
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 11:00:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 11:00:37 GMT
The main reason that Josh is in great form is because O'Neill unlike all his previous managers at Stoke has shown him faith and willingness to test him in other poisitions than the one he can't play, or at least not yet. The other reason is that the player we're seeing now was always there and the Academy coaches knew it but the previous managers were hellbent on keeping him as a lb because there was no other choice. So O'Neill won't "waste a season finding out" because he already knows. The question is how soon he will unleash Josh. He's played all four pre season games, but is O'Neill prepared to drop McClean or Clucas to start him. That seems unlikely yet, bujt if McClean doesn't do better than he did at Blackpool or if he or Sam loses form or are injured or suspended, then it's now comforting to know that we have a quality replacement. In the longer term, perhaps already next season, I could see Josh replacing McClean for good. The Irishman is not getting any younger, and it's an open question if his legendary style isn't going to cost his body at some point. A quality replacement? Please tell me we aint basing that off a few pre season games??? Albeit he has been good so far You didn't watch the last game of the season then.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 11:04:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 11:04:19 GMT
The problem he presumably has is he must be down the pecking order - and crucially behind players that MON loves - to start in any of these roles though? Behind new signing Fox and probably MON favourite McClean at LWB- and if Tymon starts there, the other senior 2 don't. Behind Clucas on the left of a midfield three. Behind McClean and maybe Verlinden when he's back (and who knows, Ince?) on the left of a front 3 Without knowing how serious the Tymon midfield experiment is, assuming Mikel is going to play when fit, could he regularly get minutes in midfield, competing with Clucas, Powell, Allen, Thompson, Oakley-Boothe, Cousins? Well I'm up for seeing Tymon tried ahead of Thompson in any formation. I'm up for replacing Thompson with a better player, but if you pick Tymon there you will be denying him one of the skills that make him stand out, which is his pace. The holding midfielder should, by and large, not stray from the ceentre of the field.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 11:57:28 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2020 11:57:28 GMT
He's our new Danny Pugh
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 12:09:30 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 2, 2020 12:09:30 GMT
Well I'm up for seeing Tymon tried ahead of Thompson in any formation. I'm up for replacing Thompson with a better player, but if you pick Tymon there you will be denying him one of the skills that make him stand out, which is his pace. The holding midfielder should, by and large, not stray from the ceentre of the field. I know Thompson played defensive midfield the other day but his normal position is central midfield or left midfield. If Tymon goes into midfield I'm sure MON would not be playing him in the defensive midfield role - nor do I think he would be likely to play Thompson there as first choice - if fit that will be Mikel for the coming season.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 12:34:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:34:23 GMT
I'm up for replacing Thompson with a better player, but if you pick Tymon there you will be denying him one of the skills that make him stand out, which is his pace. The holding midfielder should, by and large, not stray from the ceentre of the field. I know Thompson played defensive midfield the other day but his normal position is central midfield or left midfield. If Tymon goes into midfield I'm sure MON would not be playing him in the defensive midfield role - nor do I think he would be likely to play Thompson there as first choice - if fit that will be Mikel for the coming season. I expect so, although looking at the spare highlights it seemed that Mikel was playing further upfield as well. Bear in mind also that Mikel's favourite position is not the one he did for Chelsea, but the one he did for Nigeria which was a number 10. Additionally the Shrewsbury friendly had both Cousins and Mikel playing. I didn't see the game, but unless O'Neill was honouring the mighty opposition with two sixes, then I'm guessing that Mikel played well ahead of Cousins.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 12:51:39 GMT
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2020 12:51:39 GMT
I know Thompson played defensive midfield the other day but his normal position is central midfield or left midfield. If Tymon goes into midfield I'm sure MON would not be playing him in the defensive midfield role - nor do I think he would be likely to play Thompson there as first choice - if fit that will be Mikel for the coming season. I expect so, although looking at the spare highlights it seemed that Mikel was playing further upfield as well. Bear in mind also that Mikel's favourite position is not the one he did for Chelsea, but the one he did for Nigeria which was a number 10. Additionally the Shrewbury friendly had both Cousins and Mikel playing. I didn't see the game, but unless O'Neill was honouring the mighty opposition with two sixes, then I'm guessing that Mikel played well ahead of Cousins. Shrewsbury?
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 13:34:56 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Sept 2, 2020 13:34:56 GMT
Tymon has one thing vital for the modern game and a commodity we are desperately short of - a turn of pace. If we find a spot which suits him, be it left wing back, left wing or the left of a midfield three, then he could bolster the squad for a season where games are crammed in three a week on many occasions and provide an option to cover injuries/suspensions, or off the bench, we simply did not have before. He could prove very useful, although I doubt he will be starting too many, at least initially, with Fox, Clucas and McClean ahead of him.
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Tymon
Sept 2, 2020 14:01:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 14:01:50 GMT
Tymon has one thing vital for the modern game and a commodity we are desperately short of - a turn of pace. If we find a spot which suits him, be it left wing back, left wing or the left of a midfield three, then he could bolster the squad for a season where games are crammed in three a week on many occasions and provide an option to cover injuries/suspensions, or off the bench, we simply did not have before. He could prove very useful, although I doubt he will be starting too many, at least initially, with Fox, Clucas and McClean ahead of him. On the other hand we have to (keep on) convince Tymon that we truly believe in him long term. His contract ends after next season. For so long he's been seen as another on a wasteful five year contract, but now/next season time will be running out on it. If he does break into the team and stays there, who knows, he might be given another fiver...
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Post by superalexneil on Sept 3, 2020 11:44:09 GMT
A quality replacement? Please tell me we aint basing that off a few pre season games??? Albeit he has been good so far You didn't watch the last game of the season then. Sorry a few friendlies and one game last season haha get in the real world. I hope he does come good but lets all calm down abit
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Tymon
Sept 3, 2020 17:37:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 17:37:34 GMT
You didn't watch the last game of the season then. Sorry a few friendlies and one game last season haha get in the real world. I hope he does come good but lets all calm down abit I guess Tymon has always had plenty of naysayers on the oatcake. Even when he's impressing it's somehow still not good enough.
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Tymon
Sept 3, 2020 17:48:41 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 3, 2020 17:48:41 GMT
Somebody should do their dissertation on him.
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Tymon
Sept 18, 2020 7:00:18 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 7:00:18 GMT
This whole Tymon midfield thing has come from nowhere, hasn't it?
But he certainly looks a "pwoper footbawer" in there, as Jamie Redknapp would say.
Definitely got something.
Still tough to see him getting regular minutes, especially once Allen comes back and Oakley-Boothe and MON favourite Thompson on the fringes too - but he's an interesting option now, as well as challenging Fox and McClean on the left
Wonder what happened post-lockdown?
MON says he was "rejuvenated" and looks miles stronger and quicker.
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Post by scubastevetokie on Sept 18, 2020 7:05:50 GMT
He could keep up with one of if not the quickest player on the planet last night! (Traore) his passing, positional Spence and intelligent running into the Chanel was excellent! And he put a ball on a plate for fletcher just after fletcher came on. Should have been a goal but coady made a very good block!!!!
Really impressed with the kid and he deserves his chance now. The best thing about him........ he gives us PACE from the middle of the pitch!
Question when was the last time we had a QUICK central mid! I’d go as far as saying whitehead and that’s stretching!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 7:33:17 GMT
All the credit has to go to the manager with this one. He's spotted something in him to give him a go in central midfield and the player has backed that up.
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