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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 17:35:01 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend.
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Aug 15, 2020 17:39:28 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 15, 2020 17:39:28 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. I remember saying much the same about Gareth Bale when he got sent off for Spurs against us in our first season in the Prem. ,
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Aug 15, 2020 17:47:34 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 17:47:34 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. I remember saying much the same about Gareth Bale when he got sent off for Spurs against us in our first season in the Prem. , Can he defend?
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Aug 15, 2020 17:53:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 17:53:01 GMT
He'll struggle to get in on the flank, given our best player plays there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 17:55:31 GMT
He'll struggle to get in on the flank, given our best player plays there. McClean hits Tymon's goal to Liverpool
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Aug 15, 2020 17:57:40 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 15, 2020 17:57:40 GMT
He'll struggle to get in on the flank, given our best player plays there. McClean hits Tymon's goal to Liverpool Forgive me if I gave joined this late but I feel like Manuel, Que?
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Aug 15, 2020 17:59:33 GMT
Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 15, 2020 17:59:33 GMT
He'll struggle to get in on the flank, given our best player plays there. 😁 Nice one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 18:00:46 GMT
McClean hits Tymon's goal to Liverpool Forgive me if I gave joined this late but I feel like Manuel, Que? I'm just saying McClean is shit and he would skyed the chance Tymon had for the goal that badly that would be en route to Liverpool
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Aug 15, 2020 18:03:14 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 15, 2020 18:03:14 GMT
Forgive me if I gave joined this late but I feel like Manuel, Que? I'm just saying McClean is shit and he would skyed the chance Tymon had for the goal that badly that would be en route to Liverpool OK, I would deign to disagree re JMc but we will see. I too am unsure about Tymon but keen for him to have a chance and to be proved wrong
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Aug 15, 2020 18:05:05 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 18:05:05 GMT
I'm just saying McClean is shit and he would skyed the chance Tymon had for the goal that badly that would be en route to Liverpool OK, I would deign to disagree re JMc but we will see. I too am unsure about Tymon but keen for him to have a chance and to be proved wrong I would like to see him given a chance on the wing. He's a much better footballer than McClean and is a better crosser and finisher already imo. Just needs to play more.
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Aug 15, 2020 18:06:03 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 15, 2020 18:06:03 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. Very much like Edwards, he can get forward and put a decent ball in. But when confronted defensively looks all at sea.
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Aug 15, 2020 18:06:52 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 15, 2020 18:06:52 GMT
OK, I would deign to disagree re JMc but we will see. I too am unsure about Tymon but keen for him to have a chance and to be proved wrong I would like to see him given a chance on the wing. He's a much better footballer than McClean and is a better crosser and finisher already imo. Just needs to play more. Wouldn't disagree, if he could match McClean for energy and commitment we would have a player and a half on our hands
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Aug 15, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
He'll struggle to get in on the flank, given our best player plays there. McClean hits Tymon's goal to Liverpool Have a bit of respect for our player of the season.
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Aug 15, 2020 19:17:45 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 19:17:45 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. Very much like Edwards, he can get forward and put a decent ball in. But when confronted defensively looks all at sea. Disagree. Edwards has shown plenty of times he can defend in his time here.
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Aug 15, 2020 19:21:01 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 15, 2020 19:21:01 GMT
Very much like Edwards, he can get forward and put a decent ball in. But when confronted defensively looks all at sea. Disagree. Edwards has shown plenty of times he can defend in his time here. Sometimes Other times he hasn't That's OK up to a point he's still young Huge season for him He has to show the manager he can be professional day in day out
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Aug 15, 2020 19:23:23 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 19:23:23 GMT
Disagree. Edwards has shown plenty of times he can defend in his time here. Sometimes Other times he hasn't That's OK up to a point he's still young Huge season for him He has to show the manager he can be professional day in day out It’s almost like he’s a young lad learning..... Tymon on the other hand makes the u23s defence worse 😂
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Aug 15, 2020 19:24:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 15, 2020 19:24:44 GMT
Sometimes Other times he hasn't That's OK up to a point he's still young Huge season for him He has to show the manager he can be professional day in day out It’s almost like he’s a young lad learning..... Tymon on the other hand makes the u23s defence worse 😂 As you must know the issue isn't a football one with Edwards.
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Aug 15, 2020 19:27:01 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 19:27:01 GMT
It’s almost like he’s a young lad learning..... Tymon on the other hand makes the u23s defence worse 😂 As you must know the issue isn't a football one with Edwards. Yeah I’ve been told the assistant manager is a shit stirrer.....
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Aug 15, 2020 19:29:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 19:29:09 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. Very much like Edwards, he can get forward and put a decent ball in. But when confronted defensively looks all at sea. Hasn't he got 1 assist in all his games ? Agree, he can't defend well at all
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Aug 15, 2020 19:45:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 19:45:16 GMT
Sometimes Other times he hasn't That's OK up to a point he's still young Huge season for him He has to show the manager he can be professional day in day out It’s almost like he’s a young lad learning..... Tymon on the other hand makes the u23s defence worse 😂 Aren't they both the same age? Thus, surely if the argument for one is that he is young, it must carry over for the other as well? Edwards made 13 appearances last season, got one assist. Tymon got double that in a quarter of a game. Both could well do better further up the field than they do across the back line. I'd be surprised if Edwards hadn't been trying to get some type of experience on the right wing given how poor he is defensively and how ineffective Ince was offensively all of last season.
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Aug 15, 2020 20:05:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 20:05:59 GMT
Maybe MON thinks that with some extra work Tymon can become a decent fullback. Surely his positional play can be improved with some extra coaching sessions. Don't think he's got the close control or tricks to become a quality winger at this level and Edwards is just not quick enough.
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Aug 15, 2020 21:13:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 21:13:33 GMT
Some are forgetting he is still a young kid. I personally think the way he was treated by us as a club was disgusting. When we signed him he needed the senior pros to help settle him in. Hopefully the lad finds some stability and show what he’s got. He’s shown that he is capable of producing some good stuff
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Aug 15, 2020 21:19:26 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 21:19:26 GMT
It’s almost like he’s a young lad learning..... Tymon on the other hand makes the u23s defence worse 😂 Aren't they both the same age? Thus, surely if the argument for one is that he is young, it must carry over for the other as well? Edwards made 13 appearances last season, got one assist. Tymon got double that in a quarter of a game. Both could well do better further up the field than they do across the back line. I'd be surprised if Edwards hadn't been trying to get some type of experience on the right wing given how poor he is defensively and how ineffective Ince was offensively all of last season. No and I thought I'd made it clear why tbh. Edwards has done ok generally up until this season defensively. Tymon has never shown anything defensively and makes the defence for the U23's look worse. Ie under 23 defenders that have been released are better defenders than Tymon and they are. For me that's a massive difference. This poor defensively narrative is short sighted nonsense.
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Aug 15, 2020 21:31:37 GMT
Post by pottersrule on Aug 15, 2020 21:31:37 GMT
Very much like Edwards, he can get forward and put a decent ball in. But when confronted defensively looks all at sea. Disagree. Edwards has shown plenty of times he can defend in his time here. Has he?
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Aug 15, 2020 21:32:27 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 21:32:27 GMT
Disagree. Edwards has shown plenty of times he can defend in his time here. Has he? Yes. Until last season he looked perfectly fine.
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Aug 15, 2020 21:49:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 21:49:16 GMT
Aren't they both the same age? Thus, surely if the argument for one is that he is young, it must carry over for the other as well? Edwards made 13 appearances last season, got one assist. Tymon got double that in a quarter of a game. Both could well do better further up the field than they do across the back line. I'd be surprised if Edwards hadn't been trying to get some type of experience on the right wing given how poor he is defensively and how ineffective Ince was offensively all of last season. No and I thought I'd made it clear why tbh. Edwards has done ok generally up until this season defensively. Tymon has never shown anything defensively and makes the defence for the U23's look worse. Ie under 23 defenders that have been released are better defenders than Tymon and they are. For me that's a massive difference. This poor defensively narrative is short sighted nonsense. It’s not really short sighted if it’s his job now is it? If it’s a reason to keep say, Campbell away from right mid, yeah I’d agree. But a right back needs to actually defend well, and Edwards was crap at it last year. A season of not doing well at the back when you’ve only had two seasons doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either. Much of last season, he couldn’t even make the bench. At 21, coming on 22 this will be one of the last seasons for both of them to either find some form, or move on.
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Aug 15, 2020 21:51:23 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 21:51:23 GMT
No and I thought I'd made it clear why tbh. Edwards has done ok generally up until this season defensively. Tymon has never shown anything defensively and makes the defence for the U23's look worse. Ie under 23 defenders that have been released are better defenders than Tymon and they are. For me that's a massive difference. This poor defensively narrative is short sighted nonsense. It’s not really short sighted if it’s his job now is it? If it’s a reason to keep say, Campbell away from right mid, yeah I’d agree. But a right back needs to actually defend well, and Edwards was crap at it last year. A season of not doing well at the back when you’ve only had two seasons doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either. Much of last season, he couldn’t even make the bench. At 21, coming on 22 this will be one of the last seasons for both of them to either find some form, or move on. He was but that's one season and he played mainly when we were led by an idiot. It's daft to write him off after such a spell. He should be a regular here and you'd hope that the manager will try to make that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 21:56:52 GMT
Yymon's big chance is that he can be something in between a fullback, as Fox?, and a winger, McCLean????????????????????????????
McClean is useless, but since the manager is in love with him, he's not going to drop McClean to make room for Tymon, and he's not going to not play Fox, having just signed him. But both those players are part of O'Neill's 433.
We've seen that the manager is very flexible and will change tactical system for specific games or during games, where a gamechanger is needed. That's what Tymon became vs Forest, and that was in 352/343. With a three back system we had Bruno covering for Tymon. Even today, although I'm not really sure which sustem we played in the second half, you had Souttar playing five yards deeper and covering up for Josh's mistakes.
His calling card is pace and ability on the ball, and he has an eye for goal, and is our current topscorer (with 1 goal).
But we need something better than Linfield before we can really judge him. I'm a little confused by O'Neill's statement. Josh was good in the first half, not so good in the second. It sort of spells it out.
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Aug 15, 2020 22:03:56 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 15, 2020 22:03:56 GMT
Yymon's big chance is that he can be something in between a fullback, as Fox?, and a winger, McCLean???????????????????????????? McClean is useless, but since the manager is in love with him, he's not going to drop McClean to make room for Tymon, and he's not going to not play Fox, having just signed him. But both those players are part of O'Neill's 433. We've seen that the manager is very flexible and will change tactical system for specific games or during games, where a gamechanger is needed. That's what Tymon became vs Forest, and that was in 352/343. With a three back system we had Bruno covering for Tymon. Even today, although I'm not really sure which sustem we played in the second half, you had Souttar playing five yards deeper and covering up for Josh's mistakes. His calling card is pace and ability on the ball, and he has an eye for goal, and is our current topscorer (with 1 goal). But we need something better than Linfield before we can really judge him. I'm a little confused by O'Neill's statement. Josh was good in the first half, not so good in the second. It sort of spells it out. Absolutely nothing Tymon has ever done in a Stoke shirt has made him look like a full back. It's really odd.
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Aug 16, 2020 0:06:16 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 16, 2020 0:06:16 GMT
I mean he clearly isn't. The only time they got in behind was when he went to left back. He's never shown anything for us at any level to show he's a left back and he's shown more than enough to show he could do a job (or more) on the wing. He can't defend. Yeah. I really like MON but stuff like this reminds me of the shite that Pulis used to regularly spew out.
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