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Tymon
Aug 9, 2020 18:55:29 GMT
Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 9, 2020 18:55:29 GMT
Sorensen needs a loan
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 9, 2020 18:59:44 GMT
Can see the merits with loaning out Sorensen. Would prefer to see Tymon stay and compete for LB, especially in home games where we are expected to attack and have more of the ball.
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Tymon
Aug 9, 2020 19:09:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 19:09:41 GMT
They'll both end up in Scotland somewhere. It will be good for both players. Not sure Sorensen is quite there yet and Tymon needs to find his feet a bit.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 9, 2020 19:34:38 GMT
He's needed one for 2 seasons
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 9, 2020 19:46:45 GMT
Seems pointless sending him out on loan, we've got two left backs and he's one of them, I'd rather have him fighting it out here than have to sign someone else when the money/wages could be better spent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 19:56:27 GMT
Sorensen is better than Thomson and Cousins for a starter.
So that's disappointing but he does need to play. If I were him, I'd fuck a loan off and ask to be put on the transfer list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:04:29 GMT
Tymon could well improve under oneil. His cameo v forest showed his potential. From what I’ve seen of Sorensen the lad has looked lost in the games he’s played. Totally way off the pace, no positional sense at all and clueless on the ball. He needs a loan desperate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:05:19 GMT
Tymon has finally found his feet for Stoke, and now our genius manager wants to send him out on yet another pointless loan, while he brings in new players that will block Tymon's path back into the team. Found his feet? He's made one decent appearance since joining in a short spell off the bench. Compared to what he done before, it was more than decent. It was gamechanging. It changed the way Stokies look at the wingbacks . And at TYmon. The point is that he could at least look forward to being a supersub with the occasional full apperence and by way of that, at least a chance to try and establish himself,, but now, being sent off to some L2 team, it will be uphill while one player after another will have the opportunity to make the position(s) their own. I don't think that's great management.
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Tymon
Aug 9, 2020 20:11:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:11:45 GMT
Tymon could well improve under oneil. His cameo v forest showed his potential. From what I’ve seen of Sorensen the lad has looked lost in the games he’s played. Totally way off the pace, no positional sense at all and clueless on the ball. He needs a loan desperate He hasn't really been given a position to play in, except in one game, when he started. After that it's all been cameos all over the pitch. Vs Brentford he was asked to play winger, for a few minutes while we were fighting to hold on to our lead. If O'Neill had any faith in him he would have given him a run of games in his proper position, once we were safe. Now he could be sent out on loan to be forgotten.
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Tymon
Aug 9, 2020 20:49:49 GMT
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 9, 2020 20:49:49 GMT
If we can’t send Indi away, it makes sense to loan Tymon out to get regular games. He’s not going to have much playing time if both Fox and Indi are here. I’m not a fan of Indi as a left back, but if he isn’t leaving he is an option at cb and lb, and better than Tymon defensively.
Same with Sorenson and the amount of midfielders we have. If Allen is back in the picture around the start of the season (which I doubt with the type of injury) or we sign a defensive midfielder (which I hope we do) he’s going to be the 4th option.
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Aug 9, 2020 20:58:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 20:58:22 GMT
Absolutely nothing in that article is from a source, so it’s just pure speculation. If either Sorenson or Tymon are going to have a future at Stoke, a loan at their age is not what is needed. They need to fight for a first team spot and to develop relationships with people in the squad and the back room. If they aren’t ready in their early 20s, why should they ever be?
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Post by RF10 on Aug 9, 2020 21:05:46 GMT
Found his feet? He's made one decent appearance since joining in a short spell off the bench. Compared to what he done before, it was more than decent. It was gamechanging. It changed the way Stokies look at the wingbacks . And at TYmon. The point is that he could at least look forward to being a supersub with the occasional full apperence and by way of that, at least a chance to try and establish himself,, but now, being sent off to some L2 team, it will be uphill while one player after another will have the opportunity to make the position(s) their own. I don't think that's great management. I don't it changed anyone's opinion on wingbacks it's just we haven't had a player capable of playing there for god knows how long. Mark Hughes wanted to play that way and thought Pieters was the answer same with Jones and McClean. I've seen nowhere to say he's going out on loan to a league 2 team other than small speculation. If he does I will be surprised. I think it all depends where O'Neill intends to use him. As a full back it won't work as he's woeful at defending. I honestly think he should be playing as a left wing option if he stays and hopefully can flourish.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 9, 2020 23:01:05 GMT
If we can’t send Indi away, it makes sense to loan Tymon out to get regular games. He’s not going to have much playing time if both Fox and Indi are here. I’m not a fan of Indi as a left back, but if he isn’t leaving he is an option at cb and lb, and better than Tymon defensively. Same with Sorenson and the amount of midfielders we have. If Allen is back in the picture around the start of the season (which I doubt with the type of injury) or we sign a defensive midfielder (which I hope we do) he’s going to be the 4th option. I don't get that, Indi shouldn't have any affect in what happens to Tymon, I get that we used him as a desperation player last season but theres no need for that now, if he does stay he should be at the back of the queue for cb.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 2:38:36 GMT
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 10, 2020 2:38:36 GMT
If we can’t send Indi away, it makes sense to loan Tymon out to get regular games. He’s not going to have much playing time if both Fox and Indi are here. I’m not a fan of Indi as a left back, but if he isn’t leaving he is an option at cb and lb, and better than Tymon defensively. Same with Sorenson and the amount of midfielders we have. If Allen is back in the picture around the start of the season (which I doubt with the type of injury) or we sign a defensive midfielder (which I hope we do) he’s going to be the 4th option. I don't get that, Indi shouldn't have any affect in what happens to Tymon, I get that we used him as a desperation player last season but theres no need for that now, if he does stay he should be at the back of the queue for cb. Indi is clearly ahead of Tymon, so if Indi stays Tymon would be 3rd choice. So, instead of Tymon getting splinters from sitting on the bench, we should loan him somewhere where he will get playing time.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 2:56:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 2:56:17 GMT
I don't get that, Indi shouldn't have any affect in what happens to Tymon, I get that we used him as a desperation player last season but theres no need for that now, if he does stay he should be at the back of the queue for cb. Indi is clearly ahead of Tymon, so if Indi stays Tymon would be 3rd choice. So, instead of Tymon getting splinters from sitting on the bench, we should loan him somewhere where he will get playing time. If Indi isn’t going to be pushed into the centre back position as part of a two, I can’t see him staying. He’s not a proper left back. He was supposed to leave in January wasn’t he? Stayed because we couldn’t get a replacement. If he plays on the left of a three then why sign an actual left back?
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 5:13:15 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 10, 2020 5:13:15 GMT
Sorensen is better than Thomson and Cousins for a starter. So that's disappointing but he does need to play. If I were him, I'd fuck a loan off and ask to be put on the transfer list. I don't see that at all. Neither are great by any stretch of the imagination, but Thompson is neat and tidy on the ball and delivers a great set piece, while Cousins does break up the play and get his foot in a bit. I'm not sure what Sorenson brings to the table to suggest he's ready for Championship football though- gives the ball away far too much for me. Not writing him off, but I'd want to see him do well in League One before I'd even consider him as a bench option. I know you've watched more of the U23s than I have, but it's a massive jump between that and playing in the first team.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 5:52:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 5:52:02 GMT
Compared to what he done before, it was more than decent. It was gamechanging. It changed the way Stokies look at the wingbacks . And at TYmon. The point is that he could at least look forward to being a supersub with the occasional full apperence and by way of that, at least a chance to try and establish himself,, but now, being sent off to some L2 team, it will be uphill while one player after another will have the opportunity to make the position(s) their own. I don't think that's great management. I don't it changed anyone's opinion on wingbacks it's just we haven't had a player capable of playing there for god knows how long. Mark Hughes wanted to play that way and thought Pieters was the answer same with Jones and McClean. I've seen nowhere to say he's going out on loan to a league 2 team other than small speculation. If he does I will be surprised. I think it all depends where O'Neill intends to use him. As a full back it won't work as he's woeful at defending. I honestly think he should be playing as a left wing option if he stays and hopefully can flourish. He's not going to play left wing as that would mean discarding poty McClean. Actually when Josh was signed more than three years ago, it was he that made Hughes think at first that Tymon was going to be the lwb, not Pieters. But then he discovered Tymon's poor defensive ability and rethought, though not for the better. True, it's speculation at this point, but the source of the speculation is O'Neill, allegedly. Doesn't harbour well for him.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 5:55:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 5:55:56 GMT
Indi is clearly ahead of Tymon, so if Indi stays Tymon would be 3rd choice. So, instead of Tymon getting splinters from sitting on the bench, we should loan him somewhere where he will get playing time. If Indi isn’t going to be pushed into the centre back position as part of a two, I can’t see him staying. He’s not a proper left back. He was supposed to leave in January wasn’t he? Stayed because we couldn’t get a replacement. If he plays on the left of a three then why sign an actual left back? The three back system isn't O'Neill's first choice. It's 433. He just adopted 3-5-2/3-4-3 for the final games of the season because it was more opportune with the players at his disposal. But he will revert to type. Bruno should leave for the good of his career.
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Aug 10, 2020 6:02:17 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 6:02:17 GMT
Sorensen is better than Thomson and Cousins for a starter. So that's disappointing but he does need to play. If I were him, I'd fuck a loan off and ask to be put on the transfer list. I don't see that at all. Neither are great by any stretch of the imagination, but Thompson is neat and tidy on the ball and delivers a great set piece, while Cousins does break up the play and get his foot in a bit. I'm not sure what Sorenson brings to the table to suggest he's ready for Championship football though- gives the ball away far too much for me. Not writing him off, but I'd want to see him do well in League One before I'd even consider him as a bench option. I know you've watched more of the U23s than I have, but it's a massive jump between that and playing in the first team. I don’t think he’s ready tbh but for me Thompson is the ultimate nothing player until it comes to a corner. He was the worst player imo post lockdown and might as well not have been there defensively. None should be starting. We only have 1 central midfielder I think is to scratch tbh.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 6:36:42 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 10, 2020 6:36:42 GMT
I don't see that at all. Neither are great by any stretch of the imagination, but Thompson is neat and tidy on the ball and delivers a great set piece, while Cousins does break up the play and get his foot in a bit. I'm not sure what Sorenson brings to the table to suggest he's ready for Championship football though- gives the ball away far too much for me. Not writing him off, but I'd want to see him do well in League One before I'd even consider him as a bench option. I know you've watched more of the U23s than I have, but it's a massive jump between that and playing in the first team. I don’t think he’s ready tbh but for me Thompson is the ultimate nothing player until it comes to a corner. He was the worst player imo post lockdown and might as well not have been there defensively. None should be starting. We only have 1 central midfielder I think is to scratch tbh. If you think he's not ready, but there's potential there, then why would a loan not be a good option? I'm a bit confused.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 7:01:04 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2020 7:01:04 GMT
Sorensen is better than Thomson and Cousins for a starter. So that's disappointing but he does need to play. If I were him, I'd fuck a loan off and ask to be put on the transfer list. In a way I think you're right, but it's hard to claim that Sørensen had a bigger impact on the games he played compared to Cousins, who was very important after the restart of the season.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 8:41:15 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 10, 2020 8:41:15 GMT
Sorensen is better than Thomson and Cousins for a starter. So that's disappointing but he does need to play. If I were him, I'd fuck a loan off and ask to be put on the transfer list. No evidence for that assertion, so little have we seen of him in the first team.In the games he played he ran around a lot but hardly touched the ball. In any case he will be competing with Powell, Clucas and Allen for the 2 midfield slots alongside the holding player (MON wants to play a 4-3-3 not a 4-2-1-3) and won’t get game time without injuries. Better to loan him and see if he has what it takes. Tymon is clearly not going to start and would also benefit from a loan to see if he can cut it.
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Tymon
Aug 10, 2020 8:43:01 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2020 8:43:01 GMT
I don't get that, Indi shouldn't have any affect in what happens to Tymon, I get that we used him as a desperation player last season but theres no need for that now, if he does stay he should be at the back of the queue for cb. Indi is clearly ahead of Tymon, so if Indi stays Tymon would be 3rd choice. So, instead of Tymon getting splinters from sitting on the bench, we should loan him somewhere where he will get playing time. He shouldn't be though, he isn't a full back and last season showed it, if he's still considered for it in the new one its incompitent management.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 15:53:19 GMT
I don’t think he’s ready tbh but for me Thompson is the ultimate nothing player until it comes to a corner. He was the worst player imo post lockdown and might as well not have been there defensively. None should be starting. We only have 1 central midfielder I think is to scratch tbh. If you think he's not ready, but there's potential there, then why would a loan not be a good option? I'm a bit confused. I’m on about for him. It should have happened 2 seasons ago. I’d be out quicker than a shot.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2020 15:54:55 GMT
Don't think Sorenson is good enough myself or ever will be. I'd keep Tymon around though.
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Tymon
Aug 12, 2020 0:00:08 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2020 0:00:08 GMT
Tymon will never make it as a left back due to the simple fact he can't defend.
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Tymon
Aug 15, 2020 15:56:07 GMT
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Tymon
Aug 15, 2020 17:28:29 GMT
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Tymon
Aug 15, 2020 17:29:39 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 15, 2020 17:29:39 GMT
Obviously a good strike Good link play by Afobe, more please
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Tymon
Aug 15, 2020 17:31:10 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Aug 15, 2020 17:31:10 GMT
Our best player today, growing into a decent little player
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