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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2020 8:06:21 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown)
Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024
Tymon 2022
(Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester)
Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter)
Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022
McClean 2022
Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown
As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?)
Not much room for any additions realistically, is there?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 8:09:07 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? To answer your question, no, there is no wiggle room at all. I can see the manager getting very frustrated very quickly with this. I dare say he'll miss out on a lot of his targets because we simply cannot move in the market. From that list it seems 2022 is the magic number - two seasons away.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 3, 2020 8:10:03 GMT
Yes it's looking pretty grim now the whole squad is listed like that. In reality I don't imagine all will return for one reason or another, but still very frustrating that we are in a position when we are hamstrung in what we can do😂
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 3, 2020 9:38:39 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? Wow. That's frightening. I count sixteen of those should be gone.
Over to you transfer OUT team.
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Post by bolders on Aug 3, 2020 10:28:35 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? Afobe is end of this coming season
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2020 10:38:56 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? Afobe is end of this coming season Yeah, I've seen that reported recently, but don't think it was ever officially confirmed. If he does have a good start to the season (if he actually gets on the pitch), we could have an interesting decision to make about offering him a new deal if there's no in-built option It's really hard to guess how much he's going to figure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 10:47:09 GMT
Yes it's looking pretty grim now the whole squad is listed like that. In reality I don't imagine all will return for one reason or another, but still very frustrating that we are in a position when we are hamstrung in what we can do😂 I don’t see any players other than those who finished the season for us being in any games of the pre-season barring one or two exceptions. Both N’Diaye and Etebo are players O’Neill knows and both wanted away when he came in. Maybe one could be persuaded to earn his salary. N’goy could easily be one who sat on his arse all off season for Covid and decided against exercise. Edwards should be sold for his own career if he’s not going to make the bench here. Wimmer, got to hope we can loan back out. Hopefully same with Lindsay. I would be surprised if we didn’t get Chester for a season. Maybe pre-season will be what he needs. Souttar will likely be given a friendly or two to see if he can play, before going back down a division for good if he isn’t seen as an answer.
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2020 10:49:37 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? Afobe is end of this coming season £12 million on a 3 year contract, seems mad ?
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Post by bolders on Aug 3, 2020 11:02:17 GMT
Afobe is end of this coming season £12 million on a 3 year contract, seems mad ? This is Stoke remember lol
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2020 11:07:56 GMT
2022 N'Goy?
What did he sign? Must have had 6 year contract or something daft
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2020 11:12:29 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 3, 2020 12:24:16 GMT
2017? Really? Jesus wept. I thought he made his debut at WBA? Hadn't realised Hughes was manager that gave him his debut either.
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 3, 2020 12:25:36 GMT
Crewe used to go down route of 5 years on the first professional contract so when the vultures come circling they had big leverage on the contract, seemed to work well for them, I sure Ashton signed a new deal when he knew full well he was off just to increase the transfer fee.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 3, 2020 12:37:14 GMT
Butland 2021 Davies Unknown (plus Bursik 2023 and Blondy Unknown) Smith 2022 Bauer 2023 Edwards 2024 Tymon 2022 ( Chester) Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown (plus Forrester) Allen 2022 Ndiaye 2022 Clucas 2022 Thompson 2022 Etebo 2023 Sorensen 2023 Oakley-Boothe 2023 Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown (plus Porter) Ince 2022 Verlinden 2022 McClean 2022 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Campbell 2024 Afobe Unknown As it stands, going to be a packed squad for the start of pre-season on Thursday? About 31 which is far too big to do anything useful. No word on whether Chester will be there. Will any be asked to stay away? Wimmer maybe? Is Ngoy finished? (was he even at the club post-lockdown?) Not much room for any additions realistically, is there? Wow. That's frightening. I count sixteen of those should be gone.
Over to you transfer OUT team.
THEY have the hardest job at the club - do you fancy sending a round robin to all League clubs?
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 3, 2020 12:59:45 GMT
Wow. That's frightening. I count sixteen of those should be gone.
Over to you transfer OUT team.
THEY have the hardest job at the club - do you fancy sending a round robin to all League clubs? I really don't.
In fact, I'd rather be a Trabant salesman in a Mayfair car showroom. (Sticking within FFP that is.)
Otherwise a Bet365 write off looks very attractive if they relax the rules. And even then, PC would be crying into his Chatteau Lafite at what he could have bought with the same wad.
It really does underline two issues:
what an almighty shit show has consistently been made of transfers (because of, guess what, the almighty shit show made of hiring a decent successor to LMH)
and also
what a job MoN has done with that lot on his desk as of day 1 & considering where that maniac Jones left us.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 3, 2020 16:43:36 GMT
Why do people get silly? His communication was poor vs Brum and could have easily led to an og. With crosses against Brizzle he was awful. Today he was good. I don’t think he deserves one and I don’t think we progress where we need to with him in goal. I'll stick up for the potential OG against Birmingham, that was all Chester's fault. You could hear the shout from the keeper clear as day. Spot on I heard the shout.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:08:19 GMT
Powell signed a 2-year contract when he joined in 2019, which means he is free in January (or whatever the date is next season) to negotiate a contract with a new club, unless someone has had the good sense of renewing his contract without telling anybody about it.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 3, 2020 17:10:03 GMT
To try an inject a bit of cheer on this thread, without sounding like "I don't know what all the fuss is about", we really don't have to do a major rebuild. Yes we have a lot of disappointing players still on long contracts, but as I posted a few days ago: Since MON arrived we have been the 8th best team in the Championship and equal 3rd highest goal scorer.
That is a remarkable achievement especially given that we have let in a shed load of goals.
It is patently clear that if MON can sort out our defending, not easy after 4 very poor defending years, but definitely achievable, we can do well next season. We have a dozen defenders to surely create a defence between them that can get us a top 6 position. Only Ward and Wimmer are total write off players, one has left and the other loadable.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 3, 2020 17:14:11 GMT
To try an inject a bit of cheer on this thread, without sounding like "I don't know what all the fuss is about", we really don't have to do a major rebuild. Yes we have a lot of disappointing players still on long contracts, but as I posted a few days ago: Since MON arrived we have been the 8th best team in the Championship and equal 3rd highest goal scorer. That is a remarkable achievement especially given that we have let in a shed load of goals. It is patently clear that if MON can sort out our defending, not easy after 4 very poor defending years, but definitely achievable, we can do well next season. We have a dozen defenders to surely create a defence between them that can get us a top 6 position. Only Ward and Wimmer are total write off players, one has left and the other loadable. Partly agree Hopefully in the next few weeks Messiah O’Neill can sort out the defence but will surely need a couple of astute signings particularly defensively. And just try and shift a few out. No easy task it has to be said.
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Post by Stokester on Aug 3, 2020 17:18:10 GMT
In the interest of trying to look on the bright side (though we need to celebrate everyone we manage to shift):
- It isn't a terrible squad and with a few good defensive additions I think could really challenge - We have players worth some money (Allen, N'Diaye etc.) - the issue is whether clubs will be able to meet the wages - The league, financially, is an absolute shambles, and so whilst we may miss out on some players, it'll be the same for a lot of sides - Diouf, Federici and Ward going surely frees up £70k a week (finger in the air) immediately
That said, we need to get Powell on a new contract pronto.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 3, 2020 17:19:27 GMT
If the club did what you are proposing - and they won't - they'd be chucking away any prospect of promotion next season. O'Neill has been saying since lock down that this is a 55 game season and in effect the last nine games post lock down have been the preseason. He clearly sees the current squad as being core to his plans and he'll be tweaking at the edges rather than making wholesale changes. Teamwork is key to success in this league and that takes time to establish. We have less time to change things around this season and if we did we'd be throwing away the progress made in the last six months. You can succeed in this league with players of the calibre of Cousins, Batth and Chester providing the team is working as a unit. We could replace them with "better" players (and there is absolutely no guarantee we could attract better players given FFP and a truncated transfer window), lose the momentum we've built up and be less successful next season as a result. What you are proposing makes sense on Football Manager and absolutely no sense in the real world. This defence is awful. They’re all over the shop again tonight. My suggestion makes sense if we want to move up the table. It does not happen though and it wont here. I stand by the fact that we have one of the worst defences in the league and nothing will happen until we clear the decks. Id keep Batth as a rotation player and Smith. Thats it the rest are either shite or broken.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2020 17:21:03 GMT
Powell signed a 2-year contract when he joined in 2019, which means he is free in January (or whatever the date is next season) to negotiate a contract with a new club, unless someone has had the good sense of renewing his contract without telling anybody about it. Don't think the length of his deal was ever officially revealed. 2 is just about plausible as an extra 2 is what Wigan were reported to have offered. Transfermarkt have it expiring in 2021- but don't think they're infallible, and there could be an option of some sort? If it is 2021, as you say, I'm sure we're discussing it with him. Makes no sense to have one of our better players entering his last year while we've got all this garbage contracted for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:35:00 GMT
Powell signed a 2-year contract when he joined in 2019, which means he is free in January (or whatever the date is next season) to negotiate a contract with a new club, unless someone has had the good sense of renewing his contract without telling anybody about it. Don't think the length of his deal was ever officially revealed. 2 is just about plausible as an extra 2 is what Wigan were reported to have offered. Transfermarkt have it expiring in 2021- but don't think they're infallible, and there could be an option of some sort? If it is 2021, as you say, I'm sure we're discussing it with him. Makes no sense to have one of our better players entering his last year while we've got all this garbage contracted for years to come. I think shorter contracts became our new buzzwword after all the debacles of lenghty expensive contracts which have become a noose around the club's neck. Two years would have been the absolute maximum for Powell especially, as there would have been serious question marks over his injury record and ability to settle in. And it may well have been the maximum on Powell's part too. He did join as a free agent and would not have been keen on being in a lenghty contract with a club that might have continued going further down. As it happened everything has worked out well in the end, but if Powell still harbours hopes of playing in the PL in this lifetime, he might well want to return to his free agent status.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 17:43:14 GMT
Yes it's looking pretty grim now the whole squad is listed like that. In reality I don't imagine all will return for one reason or another, but still very frustrating that we are in a position when we are hamstrung in what we can do😂 I don’t see any players other than those who finished the season for us being in any games of the pre-season barring one or two exceptions. Both N’Diaye and Etebo are players O’Neill knows and both wanted away when he came in. Maybe one could be persuaded to earn his salary. N’goy could easily be one who sat on his arse all off season for Covid and decided against exercise. Edwards should be sold for his own career if he’s not going to make the bench here. Wimmer, got to hope we can loan back out. Hopefully same with Lindsay. I would be surprised if we didn’t get Chester for a season. Maybe pre-season will be what he needs. Souttar will likely be given a friendly or two to see if he can play, before going back down a division for good if he isn’t seen as an answer. I disagree. Pre season is the one time of the year when a manager can try players that might have gone under the radar or have recently come through from the Academy or the 1-2 new players we sign. Pre season being shorter this year we might see fewer academy players than last year when Jones had 6-8 players in more than one game. But the ones he has decided he definitely won't use could have a long boring summer.
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Post by CampbxllEra on Aug 3, 2020 17:46:48 GMT
Let’s all believe him...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 18:09:51 GMT
To try an inject a bit of cheer on this thread, without sounding like "I don't know what all the fuss is about", we really don't have to do a major rebuild. Yes we have a lot of disappointing players still on long contracts, but as I posted a few days ago: Since MON arrived we have been the 8th best team in the Championship and equal 3rd highest goal scorer. That is a remarkable achievement especially given that we have let in a shed load of goals. It is patently clear that if MON can sort out our defending, not easy after 4 very poor defending years, but definitely achievable, we can do well next season. We have a dozen defenders to surely create a defence between them that can get us a top 6 position. Only Ward and Wimmer are total write off players, one has left and the other loadable. Seems MoN is a capable manager I agree but we definitely need a new chief exec asap . The current one has signed a pile of sh#te on huge long term contracts ( 5 years ? Six years !) , Signed a player banned from playing for failing an FA drug test for 12 million and a reserve player from spurs reserves for 18 million . No other chief exec does this because it's insanity Get a sane non loonie running the club , draw a line and onwards and upwards
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 3, 2020 18:26:58 GMT
Afobe is end of this coming season £12 million on a 3 year contract, seems mad ? Agree and it's in the same bracket as Woods. There is no way these two are on such a short contract. These were meant to be our marquee signings and so think 2022 or 23.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 18:48:59 GMT
£12 million on a 3 year contract, seems mad ? Agree and it's in the same bracket as Woods. There is no way these two are on such a short contract. These were meant to be our marquee signings and so think 2022 or 23. There's a fair chance they will be because of FFP and the parachute payments. If the contract value is wrote down over the length of the contract then normally three years is the cut off period for parachute payments before they really drop off isn't it? It would make sense and even more sense if Jones's players contracts were only two years, which a lot of them are rumoured to be. The flies in the ointment are the players that all of our managers post Hughes inherited. Interesting times ahead and it would make sense as to why MON is here, having spent his time with NI making a silk purse out of what he had available from such a limited pool of talent.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 3, 2020 19:23:34 GMT
2017? Really? Jesus wept. I thought he made his debut at WBA? Hadn't realised Hughes was manager that gave him his debut either. I don't think it seemed a bad deal at the time the lad was tipped for big things with european giants supposedly chasing after his signature and it was seen as a bit of a coup that he stayed here. Sounds very like the situation with the young lad we have now, I wonder if they have the same agent. I Honestly think these agents have a lot to answer for, N'Goy is certainly a victim in believing the hype that he is the next big thing without even kicking a first team ball in anger, Sanko will be the next. Bellinghams agents have played a blinder with the same tactic, lets make the world believe this 16 year old is the next world beater when in reality he is an average championship player at best. He will be back at a bottom half prem club within 3 years and then failing that will return to Brum before he hits 25 to play out the rest of his career. Football is a gambling game played by agents to find the next Ronaldo/Messi what they don't realise is that the player has to have some experience first and the right enviroment, Ronaldo would never have been the player he is without Sir Alex but they get these young lads and fill their heads with how they are a superstar at 16 and ruin them. The games gone and its been gone for far too long.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 3, 2020 19:28:29 GMT
Regarding goalkeeping options Blondy's fitness really concerns me as I have heard he has 'a heart of glass'
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