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Post by mickey2693 on Jul 19, 2020 10:58:28 GMT
The bare minimum should be a GK, LB, DM and RW along with shifting out some of the players we have out on loan for me!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 11:10:44 GMT
He is though. That’s why the world and his wife wanted him. He’s one of the best leaders at the club already too. He needs a run of games. You right he does, just at a league 1 team to guarantee him first team minutes. We need someone ready now. He gets the mins then he takes over from Batth What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 19, 2020 11:26:30 GMT
You right he does, just at a league 1 team to guarantee him first team minutes. We need someone ready now. He gets the mins then he takes over from Batth What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 11:28:57 GMT
What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now. Batth is awful. He’s a good sub.
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Post by datguy on Jul 19, 2020 11:39:02 GMT
What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now. Batth is a backs against the wall defender. He's alright at that. Gold dust for teams at the bottom to lower mid table. Genuine question though: has that cross field lump to McClean he does atleast 3-4 times a match ever worked? Look at the teams at the top. How many of them teams have CBs that can't play it round a bit? Batth can't.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 19, 2020 13:01:11 GMT
Batth is awful. He’s a good sub.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 13:09:03 GMT
Batth is awful. He’s a good sub. If you want promotion Danny Batth isn’t the man for the job. Wolves went up with his as a sub. Boro fucked it up with him as a regular. He’s an awful footballer and gets targeted on the ball. He’s a stopper and as a back up to play 10 games a season, marvellous. But history shows he’s not what you need for a full season of success.
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Post by bolders on Jul 19, 2020 13:12:21 GMT
You right he does, just at a league 1 team to guarantee him first team minutes. We need someone ready now. He gets the mins then he takes over from Batth What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now. Only in your mind. Everyone else can see he needs time and minutes under his belt we cant afford for him to make the mistakes he needs to make to learn and grow thats why clubs loan their players out down the league tree
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Post by apb1 on Jul 19, 2020 13:41:50 GMT
GK - Butland out; back up or front line in (depending on MON view of Davies) DEFENCE - Chester, Lindsay, Tymon, Wimmer, Bauer out; LB in MIDFIELD - Ince, Ndiaye, Woods, Etebo out (can't see them staying); LM in FORWARD - Diouf, Ngoy out; New CF
Leaves us with:
GK: NEW, Davies, Bursik/Nna Noukeu RB: Smith, Edwards LB: NEW, (BMI to cover) CB: Batth, Collins, BMI, Shawcross, Souttar CM: Allen, Clucas, Cousins, Sorensen, Thompson AM: Powell, Oakley-Boothe LAM: MccLean, NEW RAM: Verlinden, Campbell CF: NEW, Afobe, Gregory, Vokes (probably lose one of Gregory or Afobe).
Question one is, who are the new ones? I would like a couple of Prem loans (top drawer sides) and a couple of Wigan players, frankly.
Question two is, can we find people to pay enough of the we-want-them-out brigade's wages to make us even at all economically viable given we need to find wages for incomers.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 19, 2020 14:33:39 GMT
He is though. That’s why the world and his wife wanted him. He’s one of the best leaders at the club already too. He needs a run of games. I like the look of him, and think he'll be a good player. To say he's one of the best in the world at his age though is so far over the top that it's crashed through the bullshit stratosphere and is on its way to Mars. I remember you spaffing your pants in a similar manner over Verlinden though.
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Post by bolders on Jul 19, 2020 14:38:30 GMT
GK - Butland out; back up or front line in (depending on MON view of Davies) DEFENCE - Chester, Lindsay, Tymon, Wimmer, Bauer out; LB in MIDFIELD - Ince, Ndiaye, Woods, Etebo out (can't see them staying); LM in FORWARD - Diouf, Ngoy out; New CF Leaves us with: GK: NEW, Davies, Bursik/Nna Noukeu RB: Smith, Edwards LB: NEW, (BMI to cover) He wants to goCB: Batth, Collins, Shawcross, Souttar CM: Allen, Clucas, Cousins, Sorensen, Thompson AM: Powell, Oakley-Boothe more of a center midLAM: MccLean, NEW RAM: Verlinden, Campbell CF: NEW, Afobe, Gregory, Vokes (probably lose one of Gregory or Afobe). Question one is, who are the new ones? I would like a couple of Prem loans (top drawer sides) and a couple of Wigan players, frankly. Question two is, can we find people to pay enough of the we-want-them-out brigade's wages to make us even at all economically viable given we need to find wages for incomers. Name Cost How much we need to sell for to break even Ince £10.08M £5.04M Ndiaya £14.40M £5.57M (we have had loan fees for him) Etebo £6.48M £3.89M Woods £6.53M £2.18M Butland £3.42M Anything gained will be classed as profit + Brum have a sell on clause Lindsay £2.03M £1.53M Tymon Free All profit Bauer £5.58M £3.72M BMI £6.93M £2.77M Wimmer £17.46M £3.21M (had loan fee) Anything over these end figures will be classed as profit on the books, therefore if we get more for 1 player we might be able to offset that profit re another player *these numbers come from transfermarkt they have been rounded up and down to the nearest .00M for ease of display. Its done by price divide their contract length this is how im lead to believe its structured by clubs. Hope my math is right lol
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 15:00:08 GMT
He is though. That’s why the world and his wife wanted him. He’s one of the best leaders at the club already too. He needs a run of games. I like the look of him, and think he'll be a good player. To say he's one of the best in the world at his age though is so far over the top that it's crashed through the bullshit stratosphere and is on its way to Mars. I remember you spaffing your pants in a similar manner over Verlinden though. But he is. There’s very few 18 year old centre backs around at his level are there? I’m struggling to think of more than one. Verlinden is quality??!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 15:01:36 GMT
What rubbish. He’s better than Batth now. Only in your mind. Everyone else can see he needs time and minutes under his belt we cant afford for him to make the mistakes he needs to make to learn and grow thats why clubs loan their players out down the league tree That argument doesn’t hold up when the experienced players are making more mistakes. It’s an awful argument given the defence are shite, make loads of mistakes themselves and are massively experienced.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 19, 2020 15:26:23 GMT
What pool of Centre Backs is realistic?
We likely need 5. Obviously Shawcross' injuries mean he's not viable for large parts of the season.
I'd hope Collins could be first choice next to a new recruit, with Batth and Shawcross behind them in the pecking order. Harry Souttar worth a place or time to move on?
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Post by Jimm on Jul 19, 2020 18:22:34 GMT
Butland/Shawcross/Smith/BMI/Tymon/Etebo/Badou/Ince/Diouf/Allen/Imbula/Wimmer/Gregory, all need to be moved on.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jul 19, 2020 18:48:50 GMT
Davies
Edwards Collins Bruno New LB
New DM Clucas
Powell
Verlinden Campbell New RW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 20:43:32 GMT
Butland/Shawcross/Smith/BMI/Tymon/Etebo/Badou/Ince/Diouf/Allen/Imbula/Wimmer/Gregory, all need to be moved on. Swap Allen for Edwards
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 19, 2020 20:51:57 GMT
Why are most people having Verlindin in the front 3 for the start of next season. McClean is nailed on. We have to be careful with bringing in too many of the manager's tried and trusted, Brunt, Dallas etc. All good pro's but surely not in the right age bracket. We should be looking at 21-25 age range.
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 19, 2020 20:52:53 GMT
Davies Edwards Collins Bruno New LB New DM Clucas Powell Verlinden Campbell New RW Campbell will never work in that system
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Post by harlequin on Jul 19, 2020 20:57:31 GMT
Vokes, Afobe and Gregory have let us down too many times. Roll the dice on a new striker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 21:02:58 GMT
Davies Edwards Collins Bruno New LB New DM Clucas Powell Verlinden Campbell New RW Campbell will never work in that system Why not? Powell is great in the air and can hold it up. Campbell’s hold up play has been fine this year, indeed it’s come on massively. Verlinden gets to the byline and cuts the ball back a lot. That’s ideal for Campbell. Powell and Verlinden and also excellent at little through balls, again ideal.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 21:05:41 GMT
All we need is five players.
Left back (no shit sherlock)
Center half
Defensive midfielder
Right winger
Fuller
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 19, 2020 21:24:17 GMT
Who'll take Butland? And for what price? God only knows. Only one year left on his deal, so can't expect much - but who on earth is going to make him their number one keeper?
Has he seen enough to make Davies his No.1? Or has he had his eyes on another No.1? Has thr last week changed his plans?
No.2 keepers are a very tricky area to deal in. Presumably we'll look to loan Bursik out.
Can't make my mind up on Smith. Don't really rate him - but as Trousers says can we expect a new one when we've got him (2 more years), Bauer (3 more years) and Edwards (4 more years) who will be very difficult to shift and on very good money for this level.
We need better than Batth as first-choice, despite his last 3 exceptional performances - but he'll do as one of 4, as obviously will Collins. Has Chester done enough to get a deal? Can Shawcross be counted on at all? Hard to say. Will Souttar figure?
Would expect BMI to go, to Turkey, back to Holland or somewhere. Wouldn't hate Brunt coming in as versatile cover, and back-up left-back to a younger first choice.
Is he happy going in with a 3 of Allen, Clucas and Powell? Is Thompson really going to pressurise those three? Is Oakley-Boothe?
The obvious improvement is a better Cousins-type in the squad (not sure if this is McNair?) - but once Allen is back fit, you'd think MON would see him, Powell and Clucas as absolute untouchables. He loves all three.
Worrying that we've got no-one else who can come close to offering what Powell does. And not sure where they'd fit into the squad if they knew they were coming as a back-up
I'm assuming Badou, Etebo and Woods have played their last game for us and will be moved on one way or another
Bit of a logjam up front with Vokes, Gregory, Campbell, Afobe. Ideally you'd like to see us add another - but at whose expense in that pool? Gregory? He may be possible to move on with only 1 more year left, but he'll be on a very good Bosman wage.
Can't see much demand for Benik now Johnson's got the bullet. So we'll probably have to judge his desire and attitude in pre-season and take it from there.
It's probably time for MON to wash his hands of Ince, for all his beyond-the-call-of-duty attempts to get him back to his form of a few years ago. But with 2 yrs left on top Championship money, hard to see a queue in this financial climate. Campbell's shown he can be a very useful option there, but we need another potential match-winner there.
And we obviously another option on the left too. McClean's done well, but we probably need much more of a goal threat out there if we're going to challenge. He's great to have in the squad, but it'll be interesting to see if MON thinks he can be part of a promotion push. To be fair, for all his lack of goals, team goals certainly haven't been a problem with him being a regular
Is Verlinden up to providing cover on both wings? Or can he force his way into the XI regularly? Time will tell and it'll be interesting to see if MON makes a space for him or closes off his opportunities. He seems sceptical about putting loads of trust in youngsters and then there's his bad injury. So hard to judge
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Post by march4 on Jul 19, 2020 21:24:52 GMT
Karlan Grant anyone?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 21:26:08 GMT
There’s no chance we’re bidding 15m for anyone!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 21:30:20 GMT
Who'll take Butland? And for what price? God only knows. Only one year left on his deal, so can't expect much - but who on earth is going to make him their number one keeper? Has he seen enough to make Davies his No.1? Or has he had his eyes on another No.1? Has thr last week changed his plans? No.2 keepers are a very tricky area to deal in. Presumably we'll look to loan Bursik out. Can't make my mind up on Smith. Don't really rate him - but as Trousers says can we expect a new one when we've got him (2 more years), Bauer (3 more years) and Edwards (4 more years) who will be very difficult to shift and on very good money for this level. We need better than Batth as first-choice, despite his last 3 exceptional performances - but he'll do as one of 4, as obviously will Collins. Has Chester done enough to get a deal? Can Shawcross be counted on at all? Hard to say. Will Souttar figure? Would expect BMI to go, to Turkey, back to Holland or somewhere. Wouldn't hate Brunt coming in as versatile cover, and back-up left-back to a younger first choice. Is he happy going in with a 3 of Allen, Clucas and Powell? Is Thompson really going to pressurise those three? Is Oakley-Boothe? The obvious improvement is a better Cousins-type in the squad (not sure if this is McNair?) - but once Allen is back fit, you'd think MON would see him, Powell and Clucas as absolute untouchables. He loves all three. Worrying that we've got no-one else who can come close to offering what Powell does. And not sure where they'd fit into the squad if they knew they were coming as a back-up Bit of a logjam up front with Vokes, Gregory, Campbell, Afobe. Ideally you'd like to see us add another - but at whose expense in that pool? Gregory? He may be possible to move on with only 1 more year left, but he'll be on a very good Bosman wage. Can't see much demand for Benik now Johnson's got the bullet. So we'll probably have to judge his desire and attitude in pre-season and take it from there. It's probably time to wash our hands with Ince, for all his beyond-the-call-of-duty attempts to get him back to his form of a few years ago. But with 2 yrs left on top Championship money, hard to see a queue in this financial climate. Campbell's shown he can be a very useful option there, but we need another potential match-winner there. And we obviously another option on the left too. McClean's done well, but we probably need much more of a goal threat out there if we're going to challenge. He's great to have in the squad, but it'll be interesting to see if MON thinks he can be part of a promotion push. To be fair, for all his lack of goals, team goals certainly haven't been a problem with him being a regular Is Verlinden up to providing cover on both wings? Or can he force his way into the XI regularly? Time will tell and it'll be interesting to see if MON makes a space for him or closes off his opportunities. He seems sceptical about putting loads of trust in youngsters and then there's his bad injury. So hard to judge I’ll cry if we have another manager trying to shoehorn Joe fucking Allen into the side when it’s so obvious he should be sold and a really good DM be bought in to play alongside the better attacking player in Clucas. Butland 2/3m to a PL club as a gamble? Someone might take the punt. Which is awful given what we could have got for him when we should have sold him. Chester should not be signed. Easily one of the worst performers this season. Verlinden if he’s fit is the best attacker at the club after Powell. Fitness is the issue but if he can stay fit then he really deserves game time. He is different to anything we have. No one in the side can beat a player like he can.
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Post by march4 on Jul 19, 2020 21:30:25 GMT
There’s no chance we’re bidding 15m for anyone! Depends if FFP is toast.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 21:31:22 GMT
There’s no chance we’re bidding 15m for anyone! Depends if FFP is toast. Even if it was I would hope they’ve learnt. It’ll be Fulham, Forest, Brizzle or West Brom I suspect.
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Post by march4 on Jul 19, 2020 21:35:12 GMT
Even if it was I would hope they’ve learnt. It’ll be Fulham, Forest, Brizzle or West Brom I suspect. Perhaps someone has offered us £20M for Wimmer.
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Post by mickey2693 on Jul 19, 2020 21:35:21 GMT
Dwight Gayle Matt Ritchie Andriy Yarmelenko Carlton Cole Nikola Zigic
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