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Post by salfordstokie on Aug 10, 2020 17:45:43 GMT
A solid signing in my opinion. I think he definitely improved towards the end of the season and he will provide good cover for a long championship season. Good professional and clearly a positive influence in the dressing room. Not bad considering the market we're shopping in these days. Aldi dented beans To be fair you can get some good deals at Aldi
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:46:12 GMT
Shawcross with one leg is better than this God forsaken player. Lindsay is abysmal. Chester is worse. We’ve just signed his partner. 😂 part of an awful awful awful defence last season that made far too many mistakes and just could not do much. Assuming we don’t sign another centre half Mr Bayern, which two would you play together out of that bunch? And far more importantly which two do you think the manager will pick? Let’s imagine they’re all 100% fit. Shawcross and Collins is the best partnership by a mile. I think he’ll go Batth and Shawcross/Chester rotating them because Shawcross and Chester will probably struggle with 3 game weeks. Or a back 3 with Collins in. You can’t play them 3 as a back 3 surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:47:56 GMT
Shawcross with one leg is better than this God forsaken player. Lindsay is abysmal. Chester is worse. We’ve just signed his partner. 😂 part of an awful awful awful defence last season that made far too many mistakes and just could not do much. The season was completely broken down into sections. We finished defensively strong. I’d happily let mon decide on his team. No we didn’t. Against Brizzle in that first half they were all over the place and we should have been two down against Forest because of woeful all over the shop defending.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2020 17:48:25 GMT
He’s not that bad a signing. He certainly hasn’t become a bad player overnight. Prior to arriving he’d had next to no game time but over they years has been well thought of wherever he’s been. That’s not a player who’s been totally useless from day one. He is a decent player just needs to get properly match fit. Welcome James.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:49:08 GMT
Nope. He’s about the worst centre back we’ve had in the last 10 years. Jaw dropping horseshit How? He’s been worse than Wilson and Wollscheid who I’d say were the competition?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 10, 2020 17:49:34 GMT
That Leeds cameo was absolutely embarrassing. Subbed on to solidify the defence only to concede 4. I'm not convinced he's any good either but we'll just have to hope we get the Aston Villa promotion version rather than the one that came in 6 months ago. Who would you start alongside Collins in the likelihood Ryan isn't fit? Everyone was crap against Leeds. He played well in every game after that. He was the epitome of wankness in that game, one of the worst defensive CB performances I have ever witnessed in a Stoke shirt Wolfy & Wimmer included.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:50:21 GMT
Yes he is. Lindsay is awful don’t get me wrong but Chester made him look like Nesta. you've gone too far now. Tis an exaggeration yes but Lindsay was playing better under MON than Chester was. Indeed it felt like we got worse when Chester signed generally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:50:57 GMT
That Leeds cameo was absolutely embarrassing. Subbed on to solidify the defence only to concede 4. I'm not convinced he's any good either but we'll just have to hope we get the Aston Villa promotion version rather than the one that came in 6 months ago. Who would you start alongside Collins in the likelihood Ryan isn't fit? Everyone was crap against Leeds. He played well in every game after that.Once we gave that pen away, Leeds were a different animal. I think Chester is decent and the points tally doesn't lie. Wouldn't have been my first choice but we picked up a good points tally with him which speaks more than the usual...he's shit comments you expect from some
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:51:07 GMT
Batth Shawcross Lindsay Collins Souttar Are all better thought. It’s an appalling decision. I agree that Batth and Shawcross are better defenders but Shawcross does suffer from a lot of injuries. For me Batth is our number one centre half and we need strong competition over 46 games. Im not convicned Souttar is good enough for the championship (yet) and Collins is still developing. I dont think we can expect anything more with our transfer budget to be honest. Batth is a terrible defender too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 17:51:42 GMT
Assuming we don’t sign another centre half Mr Bayern, which two would you play together out of that bunch? And far more importantly which two do you think the manager will pick? Let’s imagine they’re all 100% fit. Shawcross and Collins is the best partnership by a mile. I think he’ll go Batth and Shawcross/Chester rotating them because Shawcross and Chester will probably struggle with 3 game weeks. Or a back 3 with Collins in. You can’t play them 3 as a back 3 surely? Batth, Shawcross and Collins are all right sided centre halves arent they? So that leaves Chester, Lyndsay and BMI as the left sided centre halves. Do we think that’ll come into the managers thinking? Has to doesn’t it? On that basis I would think the manager will go with Batth and Chester. With hopefully Collins pushing. I agree with some of the other posters about Shawcross potentially being finished unfortunately.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:51:54 GMT
Everyone was crap against Leeds. He played well in every game after that. Once we gave that pen away, Leeds were a different animal. I think Chester is decent and the points tally doesn't lie. Wouldn't have been my first choice but we picked up a good points tally with him which speaks more than the usual...he's shit comments you expect from some It does lie though. We didn’t look good defensively with him in the side. We got the points because we could score loads.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:53:11 GMT
Shawcross and Collins is the best partnership by a mile. I think he’ll go Batth and Shawcross/Chester rotating them because Shawcross and Chester will probably struggle with 3 game weeks. Or a back 3 with Collins in. You can’t play them 3 as a back 3 surely? Batth, Shawcross and Collins are all right sided centre halves arent they? So that leaves Chester, Lyndsay and BMI as the left sided centre halves. Do we think that’ll come into the managers thinking? Has to doesn’t it? On that basis I would think the manager will go with Batth and Chester. With hopefully Collins pushing. I agree with some of the other posters about Shawcross potentially being finished unfortunately. Chester is too I think. And potentially but they should be able to play either side for me. Agreed re Shawcross but Chester as a replacement is just poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 17:55:30 GMT
Shawcross and Collins is the best partnership by a mile. I think he’ll go Batth and Shawcross/Chester rotating them because Shawcross and Chester will probably struggle with 3 game weeks. Or a back 3 with Collins in. You can’t play them 3 as a back 3 surely? Batth, Shawcross and Collins are all right sided centre halves arent they? So that leaves Chester, Lyndsay and BMI as the left sided centre halves. Do we think that’ll come into the managers thinking? Has to doesn’t it? On that basis I would think the manager will go with Batth and Chester. With hopefully Collins pushing. I agree with some of the other posters about Shawcross potentially being finished unfortunately.Totally see that happening. Games come thick and fast as we know so will be rotation obviously.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 10, 2020 17:55:40 GMT
How did we perform with him in the team vs when he wasn't?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 17:57:37 GMT
Batth, Shawcross and Collins are all right sided centre halves arent they? So that leaves Chester, Lyndsay and BMI as the left sided centre halves. Do we think that’ll come into the managers thinking? Has to doesn’t it? On that basis I would think the manager will go with Batth and Chester. With hopefully Collins pushing. I agree with some of the other posters about Shawcross potentially being finished unfortunately. Chester is too I think. And potentially but they should be able to play either side for me. Agreed re Shawcross but Chester as a replacement is just poor. OK I’m not sure centre halves are as good on both sides. It’s kind of like you wouldn’t put Clucas right midfield and say Allen on the left🤷🏻♂️. Dunno just trying to guess what might happen.
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Post by zerps on Aug 10, 2020 17:58:06 GMT
The season was completely broken down into sections. We finished defensively strong. I’d happily let mon decide on his team. No we didn’t. Against Brizzle in that first half they were all over the place and we should have been two down against Forest because of woeful all over the shop defending. Shoulda woulda coulda
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:58:12 GMT
Chester is too I think. And potentially but they should be able to play either side for me. Agreed re Shawcross but Chester as a replacement is just poor. OK I’m not sure centre halves are as good on both sides. It’s kind of like you wouldn’t put Clucas right midfield and say Allen on the left🤷🏻♂️. Dunno just trying to guess what might happen. But it happens all the time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 17:59:09 GMT
No we didn’t. Against Brizzle in that first half they were all over the place and we should have been two down against Forest because of woeful all over the shop defending. Shoulda woulda coulda No not at all and this is the short term approach that really winds me up with this club and it’s fans. We won so all is well. It’s such weird logic. The defence looked fucking awful in that game.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 17:59:17 GMT
OK I’m not sure centre halves are as good on both sides. It’s kind of like you wouldn’t put Clucas right midfield and say Allen on the left🤷🏻♂️. Dunno just trying to guess what might happen. But it happens all the time. Does it?🤷🏻♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 18:01:24 GMT
But it happens all the time. Does it?🤷🏻♂️ Yes Batth has been shunted on to the left loads. Huth was too. We’ve had Lindsay and Muni who were genuine left sided centre backs and played there in the last 10 years? The rest have played there because Shawcross has played on the right.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 10, 2020 18:01:26 GMT
Aldi dented beans Nowt up with Corale, when there’s no other option😏 No way mate
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 10, 2020 18:03:20 GMT
How? He’s been worse than Wilson and Wollscheid who I’d say were the competition? In the last ten years he’s better than: Wimmer BMI Lindsay Sonko Williams And roughly on a par with Batth, Collins, Zouma, and Muniesa.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 18:04:10 GMT
Yes Batth has been shunted on to the left loads. Huth was too. We’ve had Lindsay and Muni who were genuine left sided centre backs and played there in the last 10 years? The rest have played there because Shawcross has played on the right. Well you’ve said it there. Batth shunted there, others played there because Shawcross played on the right. But it’s not natural is it? I’m saying it would be good to have a left and a right centre half rather than your examples above. You must agree on that?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 18:05:18 GMT
Nowt up with Corale, when there’s no other option😏 No way mate I was trying to say it was a metaphor for signing Chester. Never mind 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 18:05:55 GMT
Yes Batth has been shunted on to the left loads. Huth was too. We’ve had Lindsay and Muni who were genuine left sided centre backs and played there in the last 10 years? The rest have played there because Shawcross has played on the right. Well you’ve said it there. Batth shunted there, others played there because Shawcross played on the right. But it’s not natural is it? I’m saying it would be good to have a left and a right centre half rather than your examples above. You must agree on that? But it happens all the time and generally doesn’t affect much. It doesn’t overly bother me. Unless we’re bringing back Muni? That’d be ace😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2020 18:07:54 GMT
Well you’ve said it there. Batth shunted there, others played there because Shawcross played on the right. But it’s not natural is it? I’m saying it would be good to have a left and a right centre half rather than your examples above. You must agree on that? But it happens all the time and generally doesn’t affect much. It doesn’t overly bother me. Unless we’re bringing back Muni? That’d be ace😂 We can but dream! Have a good evening
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 18:08:20 GMT
How? He’s been worse than Wilson and Wollscheid who I’d say were the competition? In the last ten years he’s better than: Wimmer BMI Lyndsay Sonko Williams And roughly on a par with Batth, Collins, Zouma, and Muniesa. Dodgy Ash had far more better games. Wimmer is a good shout yes, I’d forgotten about him. Lindsay I can’t agree. Under MON I think he got his shit together and we looked better at the back overall with him there than Chester. Sonko doesn’t fit the time range does he? Just?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 18:10:38 GMT
We never learn
What a useless and pointless signing.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 10, 2020 18:11:15 GMT
He’s not that bad a signing. He certainly hasn’t become a bad player overnight. Prior to arriving he’d had next to no game time but over they years has been well thought of wherever he’s been. That’s not a player who’s been totally useless from day one. He is a decent player just needs to get properly match fit. Welcome James. Exactly this Cobs, he was brought in from the cold & placed straight into an intense relegation battle where he was initially used in most games which was far too much for him to get back into the rhythm of things. I'm more than happy to trust O'Neils judgement on James Chester on this permanent signing & fact he's signed an initial one year deal makes it a no brainer to as if it works out all good & he'll likely stay longer but if it doesn't then he moves on & doesn't become a burden to our club. Think a few people will be pleasantly surprised by the Chester they see next season with a full pre season behind him & more measured game time. & some may even admit they've been harsh in critising him so much when in reality they haven't seen the best of him yet. As Cobs mentions Chesters been well liked & thought of at every club he's been at & that type of character in the dressing room will be vital going forward. Villa fans certainly loved him & whilst realising his Premier League playing chances were limited, he gave them his all & often played when injured & was instrumental in them getting promoted with his playing qualities & leadership abilities.
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 18:14:58 GMT
I trust MON to get the most out the players he has. The problem is he’s not going to get the players we need to get promotion.
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