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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2020 11:09:20 GMT
If he can play more consistently like he did in Villas promotion campaign then this is a good signing Villa fan I spoke to was surprised he hadn't been a success at Stoke Too many errors which is the same as our other defenders
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2020 11:12:22 GMT
The fact that O’Neil felt the need to play Collins at right back to cover for Chester’s lack of height is concerning. Why sign a defender that you don’t trust to play in a back four? Maybe we’ll be seeing three at the back a lot more next season? Then it starts to make more sense If we are going to play 3 regular then how many do you want in your squad? At least 5 possibly 6 If sticking to 4 at the back then 5 CB's in squad really 4 won't be enough given CB's are more likely to pick up suspensions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 11:13:32 GMT
This deal will only make sense if we sell 2 other centre backs. I know I’m a broken record but would a DoF allow this signing when we already have hundreds of players that are either exclusively centre backs or people that can play centre back. Sell BMI and Souttar and this deal is passable. Perhaps we are in the process of selling those or other players in the background, with a move for Chester being easier to complete? Let's see where we are when the window closes in October.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 10, 2020 11:17:09 GMT
If he can play more consistently like he did in Villas promotion campaign then this is a good signing He played both the full 90s against Brentford and Forest, two sparkling victories. Although not without his critics, if we keep producing victories against similar teams, then it might not be such a bad thing either.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2020 11:21:18 GMT
He’s been gash, but we shopping in the bargain bucket with another on a free , can see 12th -15th place finish with this shower
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Post by bolders on Aug 10, 2020 11:22:32 GMT
If we are getting of Indi and Lindsey he is ok for back up on a one year contract
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Aug 10, 2020 11:22:45 GMT
Seven centre halves, goodness me, worse than TP
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 10, 2020 11:25:55 GMT
Mmmm.
Another tbc (if it was a good idea) transfer and definitely not a sure thing after some of his more dodgy showings.
And, if he's coming (an option was to have saved cash for more pressing positions, kept Bruno & moved him back to CB) logic & FFP now suggest it requires some definite decisions on the outs: Lindsay, Bruno & Soutter specifically.
Lots of things we don't know also: will he routinely play a 4 or a 3, will Ryan kick a ball in anger again for us and will he nurture Collins here this season, ship him out on loan or cash in even? (Personally, I'd play him.)
Let's hope what pre season there is will iron out some of the wobbles Mr Chester had last season.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 10, 2020 11:28:52 GMT
I didn’t think he was too bad.
On a 1 year deal it’s ok.
I’m assuming BMI is leaving.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Aug 10, 2020 11:30:34 GMT
Seven centre halves, goodness me, worse than TP We are going to need a big squad, with 2 games a week, every week we could see a Saturday and mid-week teams.
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2020 11:33:24 GMT
Seven centre halves, goodness me, worse than TP We are going to need a big squad, with 2 games a week, every week we could see a Saturday and mid-week teams. Plus Bruno is likely to leave isn't he? 6 CB's does point to seeing more of the system used at the end of the season
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 11:42:03 GMT
The fact that O’Neil felt the need to play Collins at right back to cover for Chester’s lack of height is concerning. Why sign a defender that you don’t trust to play in a back four? Maybe we’ll be seeing three at the back a lot more next season? Then it starts to make more sense If we are going to play 3 regular then how many do you want in your squad? At least 5 possibly 6 If sticking to 4 at the back then 5 CB's in squad really 4 won't be enough given CB's are more likely to pick up suspensions If he's going to go with three at the back, then it's hard to see how Fox and McClean both start.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 10, 2020 11:45:36 GMT
Seven centre halves, goodness me, worse than TP But with BMI, Soutter possibly going, and Shawcross probably not playing many games that leaves 4 including a rookie in Collins. If we play 3 at the back we need 6 to cover for 2 games a week. If we sign Chester we would still need another 1 or 2.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 10, 2020 11:46:36 GMT
He made some errors but he was coming off a long injury lay off, hopefully an albeit shorter pre-season will see an improvement in his performances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 11:47:43 GMT
Then it starts to make more sense If we are going to play 3 regular then how many do you want in your squad? At least 5 possibly 6 If sticking to 4 at the back then 5 CB's in squad really 4 won't be enough given CB's are more likely to pick up suspensions If he's going to go with three at the back, then it's hard to see how Fox and McClean both start. My memory is playing tricks on me, but did we end up in a 343 at Forest with both Tymon and McClean on the pitch? If so, maybe something similar to that?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 11:48:57 GMT
If he's going to go with three at the back, then it's hard to see how Fox and McClean both start. My memory is playing tricks on me, but did we end up in a 343 at Forest with both Tymon and McClean on the pitch? If so, maybe something similar to that? Then you lose Powell, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 11:49:35 GMT
My memory is playing tricks on me, but did we end up in a 343 at Forest with both Tymon and McClean on the pitch? If so, maybe something similar to that? Then you lose Powell, don't you? Yes you probably do, unless he's thinking of playing him wide again?
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 10, 2020 11:49:38 GMT
A good pre-season could work wonders for Chester. He just needs to stay injury free, it's not unheard of for players to start poorly with a club and then go on to become one of the better players. If he can regain his best form he will be a decent player in this division.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 11:52:17 GMT
Then you lose Powell, don't you? Yes you probably do, unless he's thinking of playing him wide again? Well then you lose McClean. As I said, I think it's very hard to play three at the back and start Fox and McClean.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 11:59:46 GMT
Yes you probably do, unless he's thinking of playing him wide again? Well then you lose McClean. As I said, I think it's very hard to play three at the back and start Fox and McClean. He could always play Powell wide right? I wouldn't, but it isn't impossible that you could have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it. The truth is, outside of a firefighting situation, we don't actually know what O'Neill wants and how he is going to set up a side for a very different purpose.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 10, 2020 12:02:59 GMT
Happy enough with this
We need to focus on the players out
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 12:04:33 GMT
Well then you lose McClean. As I said, I think it's very hard to play three at the back and start Fox and McClean. He could always play Powell wide right?I wouldn't, but it isn't impossible that you could have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it. The truth is, outside of a firefighting situation, we don't actually know what O'Neill wants and how he is going to set up a side for a very different purpose. He could but he's not going to. That would mean playing Campbell on his own up top. Yes you could absolutely have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it, it's one that has four at the back!
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2020 12:34:02 GMT
I guess by signing Chester MON knows what he is getting, it's not a new face so he knows what MON likes and requires, he is experienced and this will hopefully not be more than a 2-year-deal, gives time to give Collins necessary time to sement his place in the team. Well, I hoped for someone younger and quicker, but maybe not the worst signing after all. Hope a good preseason will make him get rid of most of the kind of mistakes he made last season too.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 10, 2020 12:41:14 GMT
He’s been gash, but we shopping in the bargain bucket with another on a free , can see 12th -15th place finish with this shower
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 10, 2020 12:43:05 GMT
He’s been gash, but we shopping in the bargain bucket with another on a free , can see 12th -15th place finish with this shower How do you come to that view. Chester was part of a team that finished seventh on form under MON. We have added a left back, got Afobe and hopefully Shawcross...so far so good
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Post by pmjh on Aug 10, 2020 12:49:50 GMT
He could always play Powell wide right?I wouldn't, but it isn't impossible that you could have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it. The truth is, outside of a firefighting situation, we don't actually know what O'Neill wants and how he is going to set up a side for a very different purpose. He could but he's not going to. That would mean playing Campbell on his own up top. Yes you could absolutely have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it, it's one that has four at the back! We've got a 46 game possibly condensed season. I think injuries, form and tactics will see us using various systems and personnel changes throughout the season. I think he may favour 3.4.3 3.5.2 and 4.3.3 during the season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 13:38:18 GMT
He could but he's not going to. That would mean playing Campbell on his own up top. Yes you could absolutely have a system with McClean, Powell and Fox in it, it's one that has four at the back! We've got a 46 game possibly condensed season. I think injuries, form and tactics will see us using various systems and personnel changes throughout the season. I think he may favour 3.4.3 3.5.2 and 4.3.3 during the season. Undoubtedly and in the ones where Fox and McClean start, I find it hard to see past a back four being used.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 10, 2020 13:55:02 GMT
Has to keep that injury managed which I don't like in defenders. You can't afford to be thinking about it as part of the defensive line for my money.
It's been a huge part in Ryan's decline I would say too, once you get a serious injury like he has had at his stage of his career, it rarely gets better.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 10, 2020 13:55:47 GMT
When he came to stoke he hadnt had much game time....hes still taking a while to settle but i think he will come next season.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 10, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
Shocking decision if we do sign him another over the hill mercenary is exactly what we don't need.
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