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Post by crouchbot on Jul 23, 2020 8:04:03 GMT
Don’t understand the dislike bordering on hatred towards him. It didn’t work out here but it wasn’t for the lack of trying.... he’s done a great job at Luton keeping them up. Because he was full of crap. Promised loads but delivered next to nothing Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 23, 2020 8:21:22 GMT
Because he was full of crap. Promised loads but delivered next to nothing Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man. football is tribal, we need a pantomime villain, NJ will be ours for a while, lets face it he is a basket case
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 23, 2020 8:24:08 GMT
Why can’t people just give credit where it’s due? No one gave them a cat in hells chance of staying up, he’s done brilliantly....... What you mean just like us?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 23, 2020 8:41:17 GMT
Why can’t people just give credit where it’s due? No one gave them a cat in hells chance of staying up, he’s done brilliantly....... What you mean just like us? And MO'N is getting massive credit so what's your point?
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Post by pyrus on Jul 23, 2020 8:56:40 GMT
Jones is a coach. He came here to coach a team but found he had a problem with obsolete players hanging around on the wage-bill, demoralised players, players with a bad attitude, big ego players, a team on three year long losing streak, all of which needed sorting out and none of which he was able to do.
I think the board should have been capable of working out what problem we needed to solve and then identified what sort of a manager we needed. Instead we threw Jones into that challenge. It was not fair on him and was a poor piece of recruitment. I think Jones may be culpable insofar as he must have known this to an extent, before he took the job. But on the whole, the board should never have had him on the short-list.
My guess is that he is a team builder, not a disaster repairer. I bear him no ill-will. I’m glad he has been able to pick up the pieces at Luton. Good luck to him.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 23, 2020 9:05:54 GMT
Because he genuinely believed in what he says. No effort spared Obviously completely bonkers (like that though) Firm believer that some managers fit certain clubs and don't fit others It happens all the time, it appears MON is a perfect fit for us so it's all turned out well in the end. It happens with top players too, Shevchenko, Torres and Pogba to name a few, all players who excelled at one club and absolute dogshit when they moved. Sometimes it's hard to explain why it goes so wrong. Some players and managers who obviously have talent just don't fit in. Jones has done a great job to keep Luton up, it wouldn't surprise me in his short spell since he returned if he has won more games as Luton manager than he did as Stoke's.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 23, 2020 9:08:09 GMT
No one can deny that our club has been a basket case for more years than it should ever have been allowed by the board.
We had a particular set of problems which called for a particular kind of manager. O'Neill has that father figure thing going for him, whereas Jones is more of an excitable young pup on steroids.
There's probably a time and a place for both. Stoke and Luton seem to be proof of that.
Jones has a gift, but he's nowhere near being the rounded, finished article. He may always be a one-trick pony which will stop him progressing beyond blazing the odd trail when the circumstances are right. Or he could genuinely learn from his experience at Stoke and become something more than he is now.
I suspect for now he's probably still a bit too high octane to do so, but only time will tell.
In the meantime, is he the genius that Luton think he is, or the absolute buffoon that he appeared to be at Stoke? The answer to both is probably yes.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 23, 2020 9:08:20 GMT
He needed to be taken down a peg or two after all the bullshit he talked here. Trouble is he'll be back talking himself up now like he's the messiah again You can bet your life it'll all be Stoke's fault now not his. Up until now he hasn't said an unkind word about his former employers, players or supporters. Too bad you don't have such class. he may be the gent, and in modern football who knows what happens because you may with work with someone you've slated previously. but also, the NDA signed by all parties mean no bad words will come out.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 23, 2020 9:11:05 GMT
What you mean just like us? And MO'N is getting massive credit so what's your point? I'll bet not one Luton!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 23, 2020 10:38:29 GMT
Because he was full of crap. Promised loads but delivered next to nothing Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man. Very rarely does somebody leave Stoke City without pelters and bile from our fanbase. It's embarrassing.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 23, 2020 11:17:50 GMT
Don’t understand the dislike bordering on hatred towards him. It didn’t work out here but it wasn’t for the lack of trying.... he’s done a great job at Luton keeping them up. My hatred was when he won his first game in the 8th game into the season and started beating his chest like he’s won the league Blokes a tool
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 23, 2020 11:20:55 GMT
Jones is a narcissistic ballbag and I can't stand him. An utter buffoon who happens to be a decent football coach, sometimes.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 23, 2020 11:22:33 GMT
Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man. Very rarely does somebody leave Stoke City without pelters and bile from our fanbase. It's embarrassing. I think only lambert of the recent ones. Although that’s more total ambivalence and l that’ll he’ll be the one stoke city manager you forget in a quiz in 10 years time
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Post by callas12 on Jul 23, 2020 11:25:36 GMT
Think now we have MON & he's kept us up we should try to block the Jones tenure with us out, pointless dwelling on it really. Was he unlucky, was he poor, was he just not a right fit, all matters not now. He was appointed & came with good intentions but it just didn't work out. We've ended up ok, he's clearly ended up ok, time to move on & look onwards & upwards. Things happen for a reason, I'm delighted we've stayed up & optimistic for the future with O'Neil at the helm..
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2020 11:35:38 GMT
Think now we have MON & he's kept us up we should try to block the Jones tenure with us out, pointless dwelling on it really. Was he unlucky, was he poor, was he just not a right fit, all matters not now. He was appointed & came with good intentions but it just didn't work out. We've ended up ok, he's clearly ended up ok, time to move on & look onwards & upwards. Things happen for a reason, I'm delighted we've stayed up & optimistic for the future with O'Neil at the helm.. Nice philosophy!
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2020 11:38:26 GMT
Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man. Very rarely does somebody leave Stoke City without pelters and bile from our fanbase. It's embarrassing. I remember Waddo getting pelted with coins in the directors box at the end of a match towards the end of his tenure. There was real venom towards him. After what he did for us. Incredible.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 23, 2020 12:16:47 GMT
Very rarely does somebody leave Stoke City without pelters and bile from our fanbase. It's embarrassing. I remember Waddo getting pelted with coins in the directors box at the end of a match towards the end of his tenure. There was real venom towards him. After what he did for us. Incredible. Very true. I've not seen any Stoke manager get the verbal abuse over a number of weeks that Waddington received. It was hateful. Must have broken him. Bizarre when you think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:43:15 GMT
Up until now he hasn't said an unkind word about his former employers, players or supporters. Too bad you don't have such class. he may be the gent, and in modern football who knows what happens because you may with work with someone you've slated previously. but also, the NDA signed by all parties mean no bad words will come out. True but even in the Athletic long read where every source was anonymous you did not find even the slightest hint of anger on his part.
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Post by burystokie on Jul 23, 2020 12:47:50 GMT
Nathan Jones did his level best for us - it was nowhere near good enough but that wasn't for lack of trying. It was visibly making him ill. He's mad as a box of frogs, obviously, and I'm hugely grateful that we've got MON instead but I couldn't help smiling watching his celebrations last night Incidentally, one thing has always stuck in my mind from when he was first appointed which maybe partly explains his differing fortunes here and at Luton. He said he was looking forward to "educating" the players - not working with, or helping etc, but educating. I couldn't help wondering how someone like Joe Allen (no offence to Joe, it could have been any of them) would take an approach like that from someone with nowhere near his level of career, either as a player or manager. It's ok for a Mourinho or a Zidane, and maybe it's ok for a Jones with Luton-level players but I doubt it will wash at bigger clubs with more established players. Maybe he's learned from his time with us and will go on to bigger and better things, time will tell...
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2020 14:28:33 GMT
Oops.
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Post by apb1 on Jul 23, 2020 16:23:58 GMT
I'm so glad I don't have to hear his 'god willing' shite any more.
Also he has clearly done well at Luton. But the tide had already turned - they won 3 drew 2 and lost 1 of the last 6 games before the CV-19 break.
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Post by zerps on Jul 23, 2020 16:26:52 GMT
Oops. That will haunt him forever 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by mistergumby on Jul 26, 2020 13:27:15 GMT
I remember Waddo getting pelted with coins in the directors box at the end of a match towards the end of his tenure. There was real venom towards him. After what he did for us. Incredible. Very true. I've not seen any Stoke manager get the verbal abuse over a number of weeks that Waddington received. It was hateful. Must have broken him. Bizarre when you think about it. No great surprise. That sort of tribal behaviour is very much ingrained in the psyche of a significant part of the North Staffordshire populace, even back in what are regarded by many as 'the good old days'.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 26, 2020 13:38:17 GMT
Think now we have MON & he's kept us up we should try to block the Jones tenure with us out, pointless dwelling on it really. Was he unlucky, was he poor, was he just not a right fit, all matters not now. He was appointed & came with good intentions but it just didn't work out. We've ended up ok, he's clearly ended up ok, time to move on & look onwards & upwards. Things happen for a reason, I'm delighted we've stayed up & optimistic for the future with O'Neil at the helm.. Pretty spot on with how I feel about it all that callas👍
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 26, 2020 14:20:44 GMT
Because he was full of crap. Promised loads but delivered next to nothing Ok, but again though, why the hate? It didn’t work out he’s moved on and done well, we got MON who’s worked wonders so far.... It just baffles me why some are so intent on hating the man. Cos he spouted a world of shit which all turned out to be just that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2020 9:21:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 9:31:19 GMT
From Vinegar Tits to Sugar Tits. Takes all sorts I suppose?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 10:11:18 GMT
I'm I the only one who had the Fast Shows 'ooh suits you sir' come into my head when I saw that photo of the Snake Oil Salesman ?
GD
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Post by ab61 on Aug 26, 2020 11:06:09 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Aug 26, 2020 11:08:17 GMT
It's just a meh for me. Didn't work out here and for me the worse I've witnessed. No need for hatred though.
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